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Senators Consider Rebates for Retirees

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ANDREW TAYLOR | January 25, 2008 11:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush, right, listens to House Minority Whip Roy Blunt of Mo. prior to speaking at a Republican lawmakers luncheon at The Greenbrier Friday, Jan. 25, 2008, in White Sulphur Springs, W.Va. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — Retirees living off Social Security are frustrated that they won't get tax rebate checks through a bipartisan economic stimulus package before the House. Senate Democrats Friday began efforts to include them.

The Senate is also considering an extension of jobless benefits to the $150 billion package of rebates and business tax cuts in a deal wrapped up Thursday between House leaders and President Bush.

Bush urged Congress on Friday to quickly pass the package without any further spending. "I strongly believe it would be a mistake to delay or derail this bill," Bush said.

"I understand the desire to add provisions from both the right and the left," he said, adding that would be an error.

Senate Democrats are refusing to rubber stamp the House measure. That raises the possibility of protracted negotiations if Democrats are successful in adding giving retirees tax rebates, extending unemployment benefits, boosting heating subsidies for the poor and temporarily increasing food stamp payments.

Those are all items floated by top Senate Democrats left out of the negotiations between the administration and House leaders.

They were all considered but tossed overboard in intense talks that produced a hard-won agreement among Bush, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Minority Leader John Boehner.

Their plan would give individual taxpayers up to $600 in rebates, working couples $1,200 and those with children an additional $300 per child. The rebates would phase out gradually for individuals whose adjusted gross income exceeds $75,000 and for couples with incomes above $150,000.

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But it would leave out about 20 million senior citizens living chiefly on Social Security. They wouldn't get rebate checks unless they have at least $3,000 earned income or pay income taxes based on other sources such as earnings, interest, investments or private pension plans.

"Less than half of all Americans 65 and older wouldn't get it," said AARP spokesman Jim Dau.

It's not clear whether seniors would ultimately be included in the final bill sent to Bush's desk.

The House is planning to pass the measure as early as next week, leaving the Senate more than two weeks to pass its bill, reach and agreement with the House and Bush and meet Majority Leader Harry Reid's promise of wrapping it all up by Feb. 15.

At a news conference Thursday, Pelosi, Boehner and Paulson were careful to respect the Senate's right to change the bill.

"This is not going to preclude the Senate from being the Senate and doing what they do," said Boehner.

At the same time, however, the three clearly believe that the Senate will feel enormous pressure to largely stick with the outlines of the Bush-Pelosi-Boehner agreement.

The worry is that the Senate will load up the bill with costly ideas that could provoke a confrontation with Bush and slow down the bill _ and delay mailing the rebate checks.

It's particularly risky for Democrats controlling Congress, who might get blamed for any delays. But Democrats vowed the bill will still get sent to Bush's desk within three weeks and they promised not to go overboard.

"Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered," said a top Senate Democratic staff aide. "We're not interested in loading this up."

Much debate centers on whether to extend unemployment benefits for jobless people whose benefits have run out. Some Democrats, such as Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, chairman of the powerful Ways and Means Committee, were livid that unemployment insurance was dropped by Pelosi in end-stage talks on Wednesday.

Senate Democrats appear confident they can muster the 60 votes needed to overcome procedural hurdles in front of efforts to boost unemployment benefits. If unemployment insurance is part of a Senate bill sent back over to the House, Pelosi would face a quandary: Should she stand by her deal with the President or side with the Senate?

Some Democrats think Bush would have a difficult time threatening a veto over unemployment insurance.

The Senate often prevails in its battles with the House, often because once the Senate musters bipartisan support for legislation, their negotiators simply insist that any changes could provoke a minority party filibuster.

But this is one time when the House seems to have the upper hand.

"Boehner told (Pelosi) very early on ... let's try to get something done here that the White House can agree on and so we can thrust it upon the Senate," said a senior House GOP aide. "The unspoken word was that she could jam this down Harry Reid's throat and I think she likes that idea."

WASHINGTON — Retirees living off Social Security are frustrated that they won't get tax rebate checks through a bipartisan economic stimulus package before the House. Senate Democrats Friday beg...
WASHINGTON — Retirees living off Social Security are frustrated that they won't get tax rebate checks through a bipartisan economic stimulus package before the House. Senate Democrats Friday beg...
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- wijg I'm a Fan of wijg 57 fans permalink
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This is fucking ridiculous! I never thought I would agree with ANYTHING Biblebee had to say, but I agree that people will get their checks and run off to Walmart, Target, or wherever and buy shit made in China.

This stuff makes me sick to my stomach. People will be running around thinking the government is actually trying to help them. What a joke!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 1/25/2008
- Justinpassing I'm a Fan of Justinpassing 8 fans permalink

There were those of us who KNEW this economic shit storm was coming back in 2003, and at the time bush wanted to hand out the biggest tax rebate in the nations history, many of us thought, "hell, ol' Greenscam must be apoplectic to hear President-little-nutz push that idea, knowing as Greenscam must, that the economy is headed for castration with the lid off a rusty sardine can". People that should have known better on about A MILLION different issues, should have had the balls or the PATRIOTISM, to inform this SUB-PRIME PRESIDENT,
but few if any did.... or perhaps, they knew in advance that THE PRODIGAL son was beyond redemption. Allegiance is one thing, blind allegiance is tantamount to treason.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 1/25/2008
- ajax2 I'm a Fan of ajax2 27 fans permalink
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I was hoping for $10,000 Bush Dollars to stay even.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 03:52 PM on 1/25/2008
- Fathoms I'm a Fan of Fathoms 4 fans permalink

Let's put a bandaid on Bush's economic amputation and skip on off to school.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 1/25/2008
- pirea I'm a Fan of pirea permalink

Why 150 billions and not 1 trillion or 2. When you have such a bunch of morons in government printing how much money they want for a stupid crowd ready to spent any free gift under the slogan "LETS SPEND TO SAVE THE ECONOMY" anything is possible.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 1/25/2008
- MilwaukeeDan I'm a Fan of MilwaukeeDan 22 fans permalink

While our president and our government is busy stimulating themselves with borrowed money, Vladimir Putin is signing a multi-billion Euro deal with Serbia for a natural gas pipeline that will go from the Black Sea through Bulgaria into Serbia for distribution to western Europe. They also purchased 51% stake in NIS, the state owned Serbian refinery and ditributor. The EU and Americans aren't happy. Not to worry, W can get our "allies", the Saudis, to purchase $20 billion more of our weapons. Let's just hope they don't use them against us. Huffpo need to expand beyond our borders and gossip stories and cover more international news, it's a big world out there. Things that happen in Japan, Russia, China, India ,Europe, ect effect us all, inform us.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 1/25/2008
- oogabooga I'm a Fan of oogabooga 9 fans permalink

Folks, do NOT spend this government check. Save it. You have to pay it back with your taxes next year. Same scam as in 2001.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 1/25/2008
- gappytoofcondi I'm a Fan of gappytoofcondi 16 fans permalink

The perverbial fly on an elephant's ass. Are these assclowns from the DC beltway serious? The shitstorm is coming and there is NOTHING they can do about it. No different than putting oxygen masks on during a plane crash. The gas serves to allow the final moments before death to be serene.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 1/25/2008
- MilwaukeeDan I'm a Fan of MilwaukeeDan 22 fans permalink

It's an election year and they are not popular, so the politicians want to throw you a bone. Mr. Kennedy, how about working with American corporations to try and keep jobs here(instead of extending benefits) or change the trade and tax laws to make sure that if you sell it here you also contribute. This situation has exposed the politicians for what they are, a bunch of idiots that can't think outside the box(it was Bush who proposed this, and they didn't have any alternative ideas).

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 1/25/2008
- tumblewind I'm a Fan of tumblewind 2 fans permalink

This is only one more sorry example of our sorry out of touch President! What's the idiot going to do borrow the money from China to give us all a tax break??????? That is the most asinine idea he has come up to date!!! I am sure glad I know more about managing money than this sorry bunch does! Even I am smart enough to know when you wind up in a financial bind you start getting rid of all the unnecessary spending. In this case it's the Afgan and Iraq Wars that was a war of choice. That are the reason we are in this financial bind as a country! We can no longer afford these high priced wars that are going literally nowhere!

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 1/25/2008
- Chris I'm a Fan of Chris 14 fans permalink

How long does Mr Kennedy and Mr Rangle believe people should receive unemployment benefits for?

After 6 months wouldn't common sense kick in and say that i should get a job any job. I did it in much less time than that.

    Favorite     Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 AM on 1/25/2008
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