Mukasey Still Refuses To Say If Waterboarding Is Illegal

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LARA JAKES JORDAN | January 29, 2008 11:07 PM EST | AP

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Attorney General Michael Mukasey delivers remarks to the U.S. Conference of Mayors, Thursday, Jan. 24, 2008, in Washington. (AP Photos/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Tuesday he will refuse to publicly say whether the interrogation tactic known as waterboarding is illegal, digging in against critics who want the Bush administration to define it as torture.

In a letter to Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy, Mukasey said he has finished a review of Justice Department memos about the CIA's current methods of interrogating terror suspects and finds them to be lawful. He said waterboarding currently is not used by the spy agency.

Since waterboarding is not part of what Mukasey described as a "limited set of methods" used by interrogators now, the attorney general said he would not rule on whether it is illegal.

"I understand that you and some other members of the (Judiciary) Committee may feel that I should go further in my review, and answer questions concerning the legality of waterboarding under current law," Mukasey wrote in his three-page letter to Leahy, D-Vt. "I understand the strong interest in this question, but I do not think it would be responsible for me, as attorney general, to provide an answer."

The attorney general added: "If this were an easy question, I would not be reluctant to offer my views on this subject. But, with respect, I believe it is not an easy question. There are some circumstances where current law would appear clearly to prohibit the use of waterboarding. Other circumstances would present a far closer question."

The letter does not elaborate on what the other circumstances are.

Mukasey's letter was sent on the eve of his appearance at a Justice Department oversight hearing chaired by Leahy. It is Mukasey's first appearance before the committee since he took office Nov. 9.

In a terse statement released minutes after Mukasey's letter surfaced, Leahy called the attorney general's position a "last minute response" that merely parrots the Bush administration's longtime dodge on whether waterboarding is legal.

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"It does not, however, answer the critical questions we have been asking about its legality," Leahy said in the statement. "Attorney General Mukasey knows that this will not end the matter and expects to be asked serious questions at the hearing tomorrow."

Waterboarding is an interrogation tactic that involves strapping down a person and pouring water over his cloth-covered face to create the sensation of drowning. The practice was banned by the CIA and the Pentagon in 2006.

Mukasey wrote that he would not publicly conclude that waterboarding is illegal because doing so could reveal too many "limits and contours" about the highly classified interrogation program to terrorists or other adversaries. He also noted that some senators resisted specifically banning waterboarding in 2006, when Congress passed the Military Commissions Act.

Congress has prohibited cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment of terror suspects. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., a key sponsor of the 2006 bill, has said he was personally assured by administration officials that waterboarding was prohibited under the new law.

The issue of waterboarding briefly snarled Mukasey's confirmation hearings by the same Senate committee last October. At the time, Mukasey refused to define waterboarding as torture because he was unfamiliar with the classified Justice Department memos describing the process and legal arguments surrounding it.

He promised then, however, to review the memos if confirmed and return an answer to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Tuesday's letter represents that response.

Waterboarding also is at the heart of a Justice Department criminal investigation over whether the CIA illegally or otherwise improperly destroyed videotapes in 2005 of two terror suspects being interrogated. The tapes showed harsh interrogations, including possible waterboarding, of suspected terrorists Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri in 2002, when both suspects were held in secret CIA prisons overseas. They were destroyed as intelligence officials debated whether waterboarding should be declared illegal.

Critics want the Justice Department to join other nations and outlaw waterboarding as illegal. But U.S. intelligence officials fear that doing so could make government interrogators _ including those from the CIA _ vulnerable to retroactive criminal charges or civil lawsuits.

Ten senators demanded last week that Mukasey immediately clarify his stand on waterboarding. His non-answer Tuesday infuriated Democrats, who said he appeared unable to address what they called a simple legal question.

Mukasey "seems constitutionally incapable of rendering judgment on a simple and straightforward legal question," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., in a statement.

But the attorney general said the matter was far too complicated to easily resolve.

"Reasonable people can disagree, and have disagreed, about these matters," Mukasey wrote Tuesday. "It is precisely because the issue is so important, and the questions so difficult, that I, as the attorney general, should not provide answers absent a set of circumstances that call for those answers. Those circumstances do not present themselves today, and may never prevent themselves in the future."

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Tuesday he will refuse to publicly say whether the interrogation tactic known as waterboarding is illegal, digging in against critics who want ...
WASHINGTON — Attorney General Michael Mukasey said Tuesday he will refuse to publicly say whether the interrogation tactic known as waterboarding is illegal, digging in against critics who want ...
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If they did that to HIM for an hour or so, would it be? Further, I don't really believe the whole deal, I think there's a 'they' out there that has 'no limits'. I also think we get forced to pay for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:53 AM on 01/30/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

What would any reasonable person expect from the likes of Mukasey? You do know what he is. That should tell you all you need to know.
It is time for America to stop pretending that all is well in this most perfect of all worlds. There is evil here and we have been suppporting it unconditionally. Those pointing it out are usually called bad names. Stupid America is now going down the drain in service of such because it refuses to even examine the evidence. I suppose that when a people has been fed nothing but baloney for as long as we have been, most come to like it. What other explanation is there?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 01/30/2008
- dwillisno1 I'm a Fan of dwillisno1 62 fans permalink
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tompoe wrote

" 'Reasonable people can disagree, and have disagreed, about these matters,' Mukasey wrote Tuesday."
Historically, reasonable people have unanimously agreed that unreasonable people called war criminals used waterboarding. So, who are these reasonable people the idiot of an attorney general refers to?

Reasonable people can and do disagree. Reasonable people however, do not refuse to take any position.Those not reasonable enough to know one way or the other also should not be appointed to high office. Reasonable citizens have a reasonable right to expect more reasonable people in our government.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 AM on 01/30/2008
- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 288 fans permalink
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Democrats years out of date, as usual.
From ABC News:
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Exclusive: Only Three Have Been Waterboarded by CIA
November 02, 2007 1:25 PM
Brian Ross and Richard Esposito Report:

For all the debate over waterboarding, it has been used on only three al Qaeda figures, according to current and former U.S. intelligence officials.

As ABC News first reported in September, waterboarding has not been used since 2003 and has been specifically prohibited since Gen. Michael Hayden took over as CIA director.

Officials told ABC News on Sept. 14 that the controversial interrogation technique, in which a suspect has water poured over his mouth and nose to stimulate a drowning reflex as shown in the above demonstration, had been banned by the CIA director at the recommendation of his deputy, Steve Kappes.

Hayden sought and received approval from the White House to remove waterboarding from the list of approved interrogation techniques first authorized by a presidential finding in 2002.

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Read more at:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/11/exclusive-only-.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 01/30/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 19 fans permalink
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if i was the decider i'd waterboard him to see if he changes his tune... you know... just ta'pertekt'ya... heh heh... 9/11... heh... changed everything... heh... made a mental/moral midget king of the world... heh...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 01/30/2008
- Sundialsvc4 I'm a Fan of Sundialsvc4 144 fans permalink

"The fixer" never will.

But you know, in Nuremberg, the most common "defense" was "I was doing my duty" or "I did not consider it to be wrong." We hung 'em high.

We did not tolerate what we knew was wrong.

The world won't either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 01/30/2008

Strap him down and get to work.

It should only take about fifteen seconds to make him say yes.

If he doesn't, no harm no foul, it's just a little interrogation to see if he's doing his job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 01/30/2008
- raptor I'm a Fan of raptor 7 fans permalink

Shove a garden hose up his rectum, and you might get a second opinion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 AM on 01/30/2008

WELL THEN LET US HELP YOU....

WATERBOARDING IS TORTURE....SO SAYS US!!!

Any deviation away from the Judgement of the American People is Treason.
So if you'd like to avoid remainiing on the Defendants List, WE suggest You Announce OUR DECISION NOW and begin the Prosecution of those who have committed the Crimes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 AM on 01/30/2008

Call it what you prefer. If everything else has been tried. And, if torturing a person with knowledge of an attack which may kill hundreds of innocent US citizens might produce information needed to save lives, torture her.
"We ought to be reasonable about this," said NY Democratic Senator Schumer at a hearing in 2004. "I think there are probably very few people in this room or in America who would say that torture should never ever be used, particularly if thousands of lives are at stake. . . . It is easy to sit back in the armchair and say that torture can never be used, but when you are in the foxhole it is a very different deal. And I respect, I think we all respect the fact that the President is in the foxhole every day." He added that all of this should be public in order to have "legitimacy."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 AM on 01/30/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 157 fans permalink

Perhaps Mr. Mukasey is in need of some On the Job Training regarding torture. There is probably a jet plane leaving soon to backwatersville for some rendition with waterboarding, maybe he should go along and get some experience in the matter?
It is shameful that anyone in government with any responsibility for upholding the law does not know what torture is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 AM on 01/30/2008

Mukasey's confirmation would have been rejected if it were not for Schumer and Feinstein. What was their excuse for supporting him? Leahy made himself very clear on Mukasey's waterboarding position...it is more important to protect your president than it is to adhere to the rule of law and ethical/moral norms.
What is wrong with those senators? What was so good about Mukasey, the appointee, that the senators could accept his obviously disqualifying position?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 AM on 01/30/2008
- hockeynut I'm a Fan of hockeynut 5 fans permalink
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why the american people aren't in the FUCKING STREETS PROTESTING THIS AXIS OF EVIL YOU CALL A GOVERNMENT IS BEYOND THE REST OF THE WORLD

YOU PEOPLE ARE FUCKING STUPID WAKE THE FUCK UP BEFORE YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS LEFT AT ALL

THEY WANNA CONTROL US AND THERE SLOWLY SUCCEEDING

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 01/30/2008
- tompoe I'm a Fan of tompoe 26 fans permalink

" 'Reasonable people can disagree, and have disagreed, about these matters,' Mukasey wrote Tuesday."

Historically, reasonable people have unanimously agreed that unreasonable people called war criminals used waterboarding. So, who are these reasonable people the idiot of an attorney general refers to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 AM on 01/30/2008
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