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Republican Debate In California

  |   January 30, 2008 08:44 PM


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The four remaining Republican candidates debate tonight at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California.

Straight Talkin' McCain?: Washington Post's Chris Cillizza writes:

On immigration, McCain was asked by Los Angeles Times reporter Janet Hook whether he would now vote for his comprehensive reform plan that included a path to citizenship. McCain dodged the direct question, insisting that such a scenario would never come to pass because the legislation was dead. He reiterated his now familiar line that "people want the border secured first" before arguing that all four Republicans generally agreed on how to handle immigration.


Pressed on his vote against President Bush's tax cuts in 2001, McCain again dodged the direct question about his motives for that vote -- instead noting his credentials as a "footsoldier" in the Reagan revolution and the support he enjoys from a number of noted fiscal conservatives.

Battle over Iraq timetable: Romney and McCain bicker over whether Romney once advocated a timetable for leaving Iraq -- and Ron Paul gets the only applause by saying the whole argument is ridiculous.

Mr. Romney says he absolutely never said there should be a timetable for withdrawal from Iraq. Mr. McCain says that of course Mr. Romney said he wanted a timetable.


This is part of a continuing dispute that began over the weekend when the McCain campaign pointed to remarks Mr. Romney made last year in which he said he believed that President Bush and Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki of Iraq should have "a series of timetables and milestones" that they discussed among themselves but did not announce publicly. But Mr. Romney has not called for setting a date for withdrawal. Mr. Romney has said he supports the president's current strategy.

The two are now squabbling. Mr. Romney asks, "How is it that you're the expert on my opinion?" It seems to hinge on the definition of "lay in the weeds."

Mr. McCain pulls the dispute out of the weeds and says the whole thing boils down to whether Mr. Romney has the experience to lead this country in the war against radical Islamic extremism.

Ron Paul says their argument is silly. They're arguing over technicalities of a policy they both agree with, he said, about getting into Iraq and not getting out. He gets the only cheers of the night from the otherwise somnambulant audience.

CNN's Bill Schneider calls out McCain for misleading about Romney's Iraq record. But Josh Marshall says Romney's response -- which included the line, "the Washington Post gave you three Pinocchio's" -- was weak:

Leave it to Mitt Romney to stumble over his ability to say "no". Mitt seriously seems not to comprehend the first elements of political rhetoric. Mitt gets a softball: Is McCain lying when he says you supported Iraq time tables (when in fact he was lying)? Then he stumbles over "unequivocally". And then says a bunch of other nonsense. He sort of recovered at the end. But man, it was pitiful.

Tense night: John McCain and Mitt Romney repeatedly ripped into each other during the tense GOP debate tonight. Here's video of Romney calling McCain "outside the mainstream of the Republican Party."

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In talking about McCain and his dodging of questions asked during the debate, he wasn"t the only one. Congressman Paul, for example, was asked if he agreed with McCain"s statement that the U.S. might need to have troops in Iraq for another hundred years. He responded that we should not have even gone in to Iraq in the first place and asked where we would even get the money for 100 years, before then criticizing Romney and McCain"s bickering about what he calls technicalities instead of foreign policy. He didn"t exactly answer the question and didn"t focus on the issue at hand. He could have used this opportunity to talk about foreign policy himself, which I think is the reason for debates in the first place, about what our role in Iraq is or should be and why, but he did not. I do think it was important to point out the fact that bickering between politicians is going to get this country no where, but Paul evaded the question as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:26 PM on 02/06/2008

Think about it, RON PAUL has the best deal on ALL issues.
His strength as USA leader would be in a great foreign policy, a much better economy by letting you boost it with more money in your pocket, and respect of your human rights and the rights that the constitution grants you.

Who doesn't want to be free, prosperous and safe? WHO DOESN'T? There is nobody who doesn't want to be that.
But there are people who don"t want YOU to be, they want to have all the control, for THEM at the top to have that prosperity and immunity, and your hard earned money.

The media is controlled by them, the elections are being manipulated by them, this blog is promoting it further, and YOU are being left in ignorance of what is really happening.

You know, nobody can force you to be free, it is your choice, you can allow them to boil you alive as they turn the heat on slowly, making you feel warm and comfortable, making you feel safe, and then, you are trapped and you are dead...and YOU chose it.

Ron Paul tried to tell you, and you laughed at his face, he patiently showed you how history repeats itself, and you called him a kook, he offered you freedom, and reminded you of the constitution and you mocked it calling it an "old paper", he begged to bring the troops home, but you sent them to fight someone else"s war, and now you are defenseless without an army to defend you, in the eyes of the enemy who is angry for invading their country.

You"ll have troubled souls and wounded families, and thousands of handicapped heroes who will be swept away by those who have no need of them any longer.
Your children will be drafted and gone to fight against countries far away. And you will continue to slobber in front of your TV watching the news believing everything they say, until the day you'll stumble by mistake and you will be tased to death.

Your choice...

RON PAUL 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 01/31/2008

Irrelevant whatever they were bikering about...

The thing is Ron Paul's message always resonates, he is a contrast, he is the right among wrong.

Unfortunately the president has been decided already and they want a republican nominee that will be easy to beat by Hillary ...or Obama(same o same o).

If they were to nominate Ron Paul the democrats would lose the presidency for sure.

Ron Paul KNOWS about everything that needs to change, he has the BEST plan of all, so it doesn't matter how much time he's got in the debate, or how funny or not his lines where, he has the best character, he is the most honest and his message is the best therefore he is always THE champion.

Huckabee struggled making his voice be heard in a way that he excluded Ron Paul, "This is not a two man race, there is a man on the end of the table here..."
McCain and Romney stole the attention the same way Obama and Hillary did at the Democratic debate to distance themselves from the other two, it is obvious this was staged, the issues where not relevant or important enough to hurt either one of them, but they stole enough time and attention.

Debates are a joke, they are run like children at the breakfast table trying to win their parents attention and favors by quarreling and hugging the conversation.
If they gave the SAME questions to all, the SAME amount to talk, the SAME UNBIASED Media attention to all the candidates, we would have a better race, we would truly choose the best man for the job, and that would be RON PAUL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 01/31/2008

The good news is that all of this is driving Ann Coulter batshit. Her web site now seems to suggest that she would prefer Senator Clinton over McCain. Of course, even her guy (Willard) isn't exactly what she had in mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 01/30/2008

Why is it necessary to cut RuPaul off like that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 PM on 01/30/2008

Geeeeeeeeeeeeee, Mormondude.

Who are YOU for??

Good lord...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 01/30/2008

Who gives a flying f*ck what McCain and Romney think? Their "secure Iraq first" bullsh*t is no more specific than all the "hope" and "change" we hear coming from the other side. What does a secure Iraq look like and how many more lives will it take to get there? Timetables? No timetables? I've got a timetable for you: we should leave Iraq yesterday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 01/30/2008

McCain was just so..smug. While Romney was effectively (!) proving his point about what he did or didn't say about timetables, McCain would sit back and smile. I kept waiting for Romney to say, "you're acting just like your friend Billary."

Romney won this debate, hands down.

Now, when someone finally compares Romney to Perot, the other successful businessman who has run for President, they'll see that he's as much an arrogant authoritarian crackpot as Perot--except Romney has about a foot of veneer to hide it.

Not sure why I watched these debates--slow night. Anderson Cooper allowing Romney and McCain to bicker about what was or wasn't said just made the Republicans look like asses. With any hope, the Dems will take the high road tomorrow night.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 01/30/2008

Ron Paul is right. The timetable argument is ridiculous. As is the Iraq occupation. The real war on terror should be carried out by securing our borders, checking all cargo containers, securing loose nukes, stabilizing Pakistan, enlisting allies. As an old bumper sticker read, one nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day. And, I might add, make you forget all about Iraq. Never thought I'd agree with a Repub, but then again, he's really a libertarian, isn't he?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 01/30/2008

I'm not a Ron Paul fan, but, he got screwed. What a disgrace these reporters are becoming. We lost Edwards today because of the same tactics that were played on Ron Paul tonight. If I would be Anderson Cooper I would be ashamed of myself. McCain shouldn't be hired as a dog catcher, much less a President. All he could say was he was a "foot soldier." He made himself look stupid. Even the graph they had going on the computer had him the lowest of the four of them. Everytime he talked the graph dropped.This was through CNN on the computer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 01/30/2008
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