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Obama, Clinton Spar on War, Immigration

TOM RAUM and NEDRA PICKLER   01/31/08 11:41 PM ET   AP

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LOS ANGELES — Democrats Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton sparred, for the most part cordially, over immigration, health care and the war in Iraq in their first one-on-one debate on Thursday as they faced high-stakes Super Tuesday contests that could go a long way toward determining the party's presidential nominee.

Clinton emphasized that the nation needed a president ready to go to work on "Day One." Obama responded: "Part of the argument that I'm making in this campaign is that it is important to be right on Day One."

Five days before Super Tuesday, the two alternated between civility and pointed swipes, underscoring the importance of the upcoming contests. The debate came as Obama's campaign reported raising a staggering $32 million in January, cash aplenty to advertise all through the nearly two dozen upcoming races from coast to coast _ and contests beyond.

Clinton's campaign reported raising $26.8 million from October through December, the most recent period she reported.

Clinton defended the increasingly high-profile role of her husband, former President Clinton, in her campaign and his recent sharp criticism of Obama. "At the end of the day, it's my name that is on the ballot."

Both were asked about the possibility of a "dream ticket" of Clinton-Obama _ or Obama-Clinton.

"Obviously there's a big difference between those two," Obama said. "I respect Senator Clinton, I think her service to this country is extraordinary." But he said, "We've got a lot more road to travel" before such a decision.

Clinton agreed it was too early to discuss running mates.

Both predicted that one of them would be the next president in a history-making inaugural. Obama would be the first black president, Clinton the first female president.

Clinton said the Republicans are "more of the same" and, gesturing toward Obama, she said, "We will change our country."

Making amends for his apparent snub of her at Monday's State of the Union Address, Obama assisted Clinton by pulling back her chair as the debate _ televised on CNN _ began and ended. They then embraced.

But it wasn't all sweetness and light.

One of their most pointed exchanges came on the question of whether illegal immigrants should be able to obtain driver's licenses. Obama supports doing so; Clinton initially supported it and now opposes it.

"Senator Clinton gave a number of different answers over the course of six weeks on this," Obama said, turning to Clinton. "Initially, you said you were for it, then you said you were against it." He said he was raising her wavering to underscore that it is "a difficult political issue."

Clinton called the controversy "a diversion" from efforts to come up with comprehensive immigration reform. "I co-sponsored immigration reform in 2004 before Barack came to the Senate," she said.

Obama argued for his candidacy, saying, "I respect Senator Clinton's record. I think it's a terrific record. But I also believe that the skills that I have are the ones that are needed right now to move the country forward, otherwise I wouldn't be running for president."

They also clashed on Iraq.

Clinton suggested only she had "the necessary credentials and gravitas" to lead the country in withdrawing from Iraq without endangering U.S. forces or further destabilizing the region. She said it was crucial to bring Syria and Iran to the diplomatic table.

Obama shot back, "Senator Clinton mentioned the issue of gravitas and judgment. I think it is much easier for us to have the argument when we have a nominee who says `I always thought this was a bad idea. This was a bad strategy.' It was not just a problem of execution."

Clinton voted in October 2002 to authorize President Bush to use force in Iraq, while Obama opposed such authority in a speech he gave in 2002 as a member of the Illinois state Senate.

The two also reached out quickly to backers of former rival John Edwards, who bowed out of the race Wednesday without endorsing either one. Both praised his efforts in their opening statements.

Obama called Edwards "a voice for this party and this country for many years to come." Clinton saluted both Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, as setting "their personal example of courage and leadership" in their advocacy for the poor.

Asked whether it was good for the country to have another Clinton in the White House, further extending Bush and Clinton family control over government, Clinton drew applause in the Kodak Theatre _ home of the Academy Awards _ when she replied, "It did take a Clinton to clean after the first Bush and I think it might take another one to clean up after the second Bush."

The nation's weakening economy was a prime topic, and both candidates said they preferred Democratic-proposed stimulus plans that would give more tax relief to low- and middle-income workers than would Republican proposals.

Obama focused on Republican front-runner John McCain, praising McCain's two votes against Bush's first-term tax cuts and questioning his support now for extending them. "Somewhere along the line, the Straight Talk Express lost some wheels," the Illinois senator said, referring to the name of McCain's campaign bus.

Both Obama and Clinton nodded in agreement as they compared Democratic economic solutions to those put forward by the GOP.

Befitting a Hollywood audience, among the celebrities in the theater were Diane Keaton, Jason Alexander, Pierce Brosnan, Rob Reiner, Stevie Wonder, Kate Capshaw, Steven Spielberg, Leonardo DiCaprio, Bradley Whitford and Gary Shandling.

Both candidates acknowledged policy differences but also sought to ratchet back what had become increasingly personal attacks and the animosity of their last debate before the Jan. 26 South Carolina primary, which Obama won by a margin of 2-to-1.

Obama appears to have most of the momentum as of now, including high-profile endorsements and impressive fundraising. But Clinton has considerable institutional strength and is still widely favored to do better overall than Obama on Super Tuesday.

"I was friends with Hillary Clinton before we started this campaign. I will be friends with Hillary Clinton after this campaign is over," Obama said .

"We're having a wonderful time," Clinton said at one point.

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Tom Raum reported from Washington.

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10:26 PM on 02/04/2008
From David Wallechinsky's blog today:

The media, television in particular, played a major role in winnowing down the candidates to two Democrats and two Republicans not so much because they cared about the individual candidates, but because one-on-one contests attract better ratings than confusing multi-candidate races. To continue the sports analogy implied by the name "Super Tuesday," the day's primaries and caucuses are being pitched to us like conference championships: the winner of the Clinton-Obama game will play the winner of the McCain-Romney game in the National Championship.
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01:15 PM on 02/01/2008
I think the big issues nobody can deny are ending this war asap, taking out all of the troops from all locations asap, signing a bill that would provide single payer healthcare for all, getting jobs back into this country, ending illega immigration once and for all, providing employees a LIVING wage, and allowing them to afford the basics, needs they cannot meet now. Many say, it cannot be done, the hell you say. If wages are high enough to offset the higher taxes required to fund single payer, we all would win. Those who won't pay the higher wages could offset it by getting forced to provide thier employees with full coverage. If they refuse, make them an example. It can and must be done. Those are the issues folks. Not relegion, not about who shot john. The public wants answers, deserves answers and solutions, anything less is unacceptable.
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11:01 PM on 01/31/2008
Senator Clinton has put so much thought into all her policy proposals.
She is such a wonk! EEK..She gets into the real meat of an issue and can crystalize the issue, delineate her approach and deliver the answer.
She is way head the average politico...
This lady is ready to lead.
Wow, I was in such despair on the morning Lil Georgie was re-elected NOv 2004. I wore black for weeks....
I was miserable.
Hilary has given me hope and optimism.
10:02 PM on 01/31/2008
Less of a debate and more a conversation.

Its about time.
09:53 PM on 01/31/2008
you know, i kind of feel like we, all the clinton and obama supporters, are like fans of rival sports teams. we get so angry at each other, and the *teams* are doing their jobs, and get along with each other.

I never understood why teams fans would fight, but now I am understanding it a little more - when someone insults your team, you get riled up.

after seeing them both tonight, i hope we can *all get along*.

they were both great. respectful, but pointful. But i think hillary won. :O)

dang, i wish i would have been there, it was a whos who of celebs! hehe
09:52 PM on 01/31/2008
Good, they ended the debate on a light note. That laugh of hers still creeps me out.
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09:46 PM on 01/31/2008
Y'know, I'm a major Obama supporter and even I think she's getting a lot of kinda harsh questions. Damn.
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09:46 PM on 01/31/2008
That cackle almost made me pee on myself.
09:46 PM on 01/31/2008
there was the laugh... haha
09:46 PM on 01/31/2008
Ugh, there goes that laugh again. I hate it when she does that, scares my cat.
09:43 PM on 01/31/2008
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In the voice of Yul Brenner:

Who is this bluelight2?

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If we all ignore this idiot, it will to away.
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09:41 PM on 01/31/2008
I don't think Obama came through with a great answer on the war question. she came across more intelligent and informed i thought. he tends to stutter too much in debates, and is hard to follow.
09:41 PM on 01/31/2008
Johnct and JaneC.

Since neither one of you posted even the most remote interest in the debate and instead spent the whole time attacking me, I have reported you for violating the posting policy.

P)lease strive to pay attention to the debates at hand that are so important to us not electing another republican in the future.
09:39 PM on 01/31/2008
They both did well. I am glad the riff-raff is gone. I still think Obama won it.
09:32 PM on 01/31/2008
Here it comes:

Hillary was lied to, so she voted for it!