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Analysis: Clinton and Obama Start Anew

JIM KUHNHENN | February 5, 2008 10:27 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton captured needed states Tuesday night even as Barack Obama ate into her traditional base of support on a topsy-turvy night where a ballot victory was not the only measure of success.

The grand spectacle of Super Tuesday's coast-to-coast nominating contests marked a turning point in the Democratic presidential contest from euphoric election night victories to painstaking delegate counting.

In early results, Hillary Rodham Clinton won primaries in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee, New Jersey, New York and Massachusetts. Barack Obama was the victor in Georgia, Delaware, Alabama and Illinois and the North Dakota caucus. Altogether, 22 states were in play but neither candidate was to emerge with enough delegates to secure the nomination.

Obama had secured 43 delegates in early voting Tuesday, while Clinton had 32, though that did not include all the states where outcomes had been declared.

Preliminary exit polls of voters in primary states showed Obama encroaching on Clinton's voting base. Clinton had only a slight edge among women and with whites, two areas where she has generally dominated Obama. Clinton was getting strong support from Hispanics, an increasingly important voting bloc. But Obama led among men _ including white men, a group with whom he has struggled for votes in most previous contests.

Those results augured well for Obama in contests in coming weeks.

The campaigns, like sports teams that have clinched a playoff spot, already have been preparing for the matches ahead. Obama has been advertising in states with primaries and caucuses over the next seven days. Virginia, Maryland and the District of Columbia, all of which hold primaries on Feb. 12, play to Obama's strengths with black voters and upscale, educated voters.

Clinton strategists are looking over the horizon into March and April when Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania hold primaries.

Time could work against Clinton, however. Obama raised $32 million to her $13.5 million in January _ a financial edge that will help him organize and advertise in the upcoming battlegrounds. On Tuesday, her campaign called for four debates between now and March 4, a sign that she wants to supplement her financial disadvantage with free media.

After a month of early contests _ from Iowa to New Hampshire to Nevada to South Carolina _ the two candidates have essentially divided the electorate into two component parts. He gets young voters, educated voters, black voters. She gets women, working-class voters and Hispanics.

Both candidates have worked hard to win over supporters of John Edwards, who dropped out of the presidential race last Wednesday after a third-place finish in South Carolina. They've spent a combined $20 million on advertising in Super Tuesday states. And whoever cuts into the other's base will gain an advantage.

Obama seemed to benefit from Edwards' departure, expanding his support among white voters from one in four in the South Carolina primary to better than two out of five in Georgia. "She has ceiling issues, and the people who aren't for her we think are very available to us," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters Tuesday.

But Clinton had reason to cheer as well. She beat Obama in Massachusetts despite Obama's strength among highly educated voters and opponents of the war and high-profile endorsements from the state's political power troika _ U.S. Sens. Edward Kennedy, John Kerry and Gov. Deval Patrick.

A new direction for the country seemed to be on the minds of Democratic voters. Half of them said they favored a candidate who could cause needed change and seven out of 10 of them voted for Obama. About one-fifth of voters preferred a candidate with experience and Clinton won nearly all of them.

As usual, Obama had a decisive lead with blacks, with about eight in 10 favoring him, the early national figures showed. But Clinton was getting support from nearly six in 10 Hispanics, a group that could be pivotal in states such as California.

The two candidates, each a U.S. senator, won their home states on Tuesday _ Obama in Illinois, Clinton in New York. The 22 states holding contests, as well as American Samoa, offer 1,681 Democratic delegates. A total of 2,025 delegates are needed to secure the Democratic nomination. California is the day's biggest prize, with 370 delegates at stake.

With voting under way, Clinton led Obama in the hunt for delegates, 261 to 202, on the strength of so-called superdelegates. Those are members of Congress and other party leaders not chosen in state presidential contests.

Clinton aides said Tuesday that Obama might win more delegates on Tuesday than Clinton, but that she would emerge from the voting with more delegates overall.

Democrats award delegates proportionally in every state. That means the second-place finisher who gets at least 15 percent of the vote also will win delegates. Indeed, even if a candidate wins the popular vote in a state by a wide margin, the edge on delegates could be significantly smaller.

Obama entered Super Tuesday propelled by a solid victory in South Carolina on Jan. 26, Kennedy's endorsement, and a banner fundraising month in January. Both sides have downplayed Super Tuesday expectations. The Clinton camp has pointed to his rise in the polls; Obama's campaign has cited her longtime strength and name recognition in several of the contested states.

But it's the long term that matters.

"They're both going to get a chance to recover if they lose something and get a chance to consolidate if they keep winning," California-based Democratic strategist Bill Carrick said. "The delegate count is going to be so close that this is going to go on for a while."

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EDITOR'S NOTE: Jim Kuhnhenn has been covering politics in Washington for more than 14 years.

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- SensibleAmerican See Profile I'm a Fan of SensibleAmerican permalink

Here are the entities that have carried around Fluffy Hussein in their laps:

1) The shriveled Party Drunk and the Party Wuss. Both were joined by the governor of Mass.. Hillary thrashed Hussein!
2) MSNBC, CNN and the HuffObamington Post. Hillary won all the big States and the States that really matter in the General Election. Hussein got either razor-thin "victories" and/or crumbs like Idaho and Delaware!
3) The "woohoo" tub-of-lard Oprah and Hollywood. Even Skeletor Shriver came out with her clueless cousin Caroline! Scarslut Johannsen made calls for Fluffy! Hillary wiped the floor with Hussein in California!!!

All of Hussein's horses and all of Hussein's Nannys could not help him win ANY of the big ones!!! The mocha latte drinking, tree hugging loonies, the young and the clueless and the "girls gone wild", Hollywood, Afro-Americans and Clinton haters are Fluffy Hussein's constituency

Super Tuesday proved one thing that REAL AMERICA is firmly behind Hillary. She won all the BIG States and the States that matter to the Dems in the General Election. Hussein was left holding the crumbs ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 02/06/2008
- eddieinc97 See Profile I'm a Fan of eddieinc97 permalink

Obama/Hillary or Hillary Obama I don't care but wheoever comes in second must accept the VP nomination. There is alot of enthusiasm about what these two have accomplished. Both bring high energy to our party. It will also counter an almost certain joke of a ticket that includes Grandpa McCain and Mike Huckaboob. McCain can appeal to "head in the sand independents" and Huckaboob represents the Jethro wing of the Republican south.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/06/2008
- kevenseven See Profile I'm a Fan of kevenseven permalink

FISA UPDATE!

Remembering that the Reactionaries have half the seats in the Senate, it is not surprising that things are not going well.

The Rethugs are obstructing by blocking not only the amendments that would make the Intelligence bill even remotely palatable, but they are obstructing the Stimulus Package. The goal of all this is to force the Senate to vote on FISA just before the expiration of PAA in a few days, and give the House no time to consider the bullshit Senate bill in conference committee.

More details at Daily Kos:

FISA Fight: White House temper tantrum
by mcjoan
Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:13:17 AM PST
The Republican shenanigans on filibustering the stimulus package in order to delay consideration of the FISA fix now seems to have been orchestrated from the White House, if you could judge by a letter (pdf) AG Mukasey and DNI McConnell sent to Reid yesterday.
See full article at: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/6/121113/6419/454/451096

FISA Fight: Taking it to the House
by mcjoan
Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 12:58:33 PM PST
Yesterday's Republican shenanigans, that are continuing today as they filibuster that economic stimulus package that was such a high priority, highlight the importance of keeping the House strong on holding the line to keep their FISA legislation, the RESTORE Act, the base bill as they go to conference.
See the whole article at: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/5/155323/6199/90/450451

Action items: Contact your own Senators and also this list of Senators (see the articles linked above) likely to be persuadable. Tell them (1) NO on telco amnesty, (2) NO basket warrants or reverse targeting, (3) sequestration of illegally harvested evidence, (4) make FISA the exclusive means of surveillance, and (5) vote for a 4 year sunset.

Take action! Call and write!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 02/06/2008
- FJR See Profile I'm a Fan of FJR permalink

The fact is several weeks ago the national polls showed Hillary up 20+ pts. What Obama accomplished yesterday is remarkable considering what he is been up against, the establishment and the former president in a compressed primary schedule. It is clear the nation wants change and NEW leadership and is moving in the direction of Obama. He has the the momentum and the most broad support. Clinton supporters don't fight yourselves anymore, you know you want to support Obama and be part of this movement. Its ok to change your mind you know Obama is more likely to beat McCain. Don't worry about the Clintons, they will still have their place and they will be just fine. Be part of the future, you will be proud of it with Obama as our president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/06/2008
- ReasonIsMyReligion See Profile I'm a Fan of ReasonIsMyReligion permalink

Re "On Tuesday, her campaign called for four debates between now and March 4, a sign that she wants to supplement her financial disadvantage with free media."

No, a sign that she is confident in her ability to out-debate Obama.

Simple.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/06/2008
- genseric See Profile I'm a Fan of genseric permalink

The whole entire shooting match could come down to seating the Florida and Michigan delegation. I will bet anyone right now those 2 states will put Hillary over the top at the critical time. There's no way the Democratic Party can stop those 2 states from being accepted and then give the nomination to Obama. That would ensure a Dem defeat in Nov.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/06/2008
- ReasonIsMyReligion See Profile I'm a Fan of ReasonIsMyReligion permalink

I for one LOOK FORWARD to a wide-open convention.

At that point, money and ads won't matter; swapping party planks to build a unified platform WILL.

If that means we get to splice, say, Obama's Iraq pullout plan with Hillary's healthcare plan, the party will be the better for it, WHICHEVER of the two end up atop the ticket.

I also think there's an advantage to forcing the Republicans to campaign against BOTH for a few intervening months. On the other hand, it's easy for Dems to run against "More-o-the-same McCain," the man who professes ignorance of matters economic, now the #1 topic with voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 02/06/2008
- ProudLiberalDan See Profile I'm a Fan of ProudLiberalDan permalink


California was not close. It was not a landslide by any means, but even a 9% win by Clinton is far bigger than the exit polls predicted which said the result a toss-up. This was NOT a toss-up.

There was an political analyst on KTLA Morning News this morning who was clearly a disappointed Obama partisan talking up how well Obama did in California. You could see the disappointment in his eyes. Despite the spin, Team Obama knows California wasn't the result they were hoping for. The truth of the matter, and he knows this, is that they expected to do better.

In particular, Obama was thrashed by Latino voters, particularly in Los Angeles. The same thing happened in NYC where Obama didn't carry Brooklyn or the Bronx as they had hoped.

I want the Democrat to win in November, whoever it is, whether it's Clinton or Obama, and the Obama campaign has to ask itself sincerely why it crapped out among Latino voters.

Is the Latino vote overwhelmingly pro-Clinton that will transfer naturally to him as the nominee? Or does he have a real problem? If so, what is he going to do about it?

We cannot afford Obama to underperform among Latinos in November. We cannot afford Clinton or Obama underperforming among any group.

Let's not hear any of this "surge is working" type spin about a "breakthrough" among Latino voters that didn't happen. I don't like fake spin, whether it's Clinton claiming victory after winning an non-existent campaign or Team Obama talking up a weaker than expected result in California and among Latino voters.

Let's hear Team Obama's plan to do a better job. Just calling yourself the "racial unity" candidate doesn't mean you win everyone's vote.
Jesse Jackson's "rainbow" was monochromatic.

After 8 years of a President who only allowed himself to hear what he wanted to hear, I want both Clinton and Obama to deal with objective reality. Team Obama has LOTS to celebrate about last night but their share of the Latino vote isn't one of those things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

EyeWantOneNation

I was in no way attacking you, I just used part of your post to make a point. As for the bloggers who think I want them to agree with me or I go on the attack, you are so wrong. All I ask is that if you want to drive home a point, we have enough information now to draw inferences. Don't just use your own views, make your argument by drawing conclusions from all that's happened so far.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/06/2008
- in4success See Profile I'm a Fan of in4success permalink

so the word out of cali is that NBC called the elction for hillary based upon 1% or reported votes and a shitload of voters (trending for obama, btw) thought it was over and went home.

tff - wonder what other diebold, bullshit horror stories will be making their way off the pike.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 02/06/2008
- knosiswar See Profile I'm a Fan of knosiswar permalink

I said it last night and now I will say it again. I've realized, that if you subtract Hillary and McCains votes if they win the primaries, Obama could run independent and WIN, I'm voting for Obama in November, if I have to right it in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 02/06/2008
- ConcernAmerican See Profile I'm a Fan of ConcernAmerican permalink

With the media spinning all for Obama, how come Hillary won the most number of delegates and popular vote against him?

It's not how many states a candidate have but HOW many delegates they've won. In California, a mixture of race, Asian-American, and latinos went to Hillary, in Illinois, his homestate only 52% of latinos voted for him. OBAMA is in TROUBLE.

If Obama is the nominee for the democratic party, majority of latinos will vote for McCain, the same with Asian-American, majority of white voters will vote Republican. How is Obama going to win the general election with the only experience in his belt as community organizer? Even the Kennedys, Oprah and the rest of the jokers can't help him win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

I find it very difficult to debate the small minded, for all those who say Ted Kennedy, Oprah and the rest couldn't deliver for Obama, I say again that you are making the case for Obama. He is out there winning the majority of committed delegates on his own, Hillary is loosing the committed delegate fight with the help of Bill Clinton. Now who do you say is the stronger candidate, the candidate that is on his own or the candidate who is propped up by Bill Clinton.

I say again that all the Super delegates Hillary wrapped up were wrapped up before Obama got into the race. As for the competition for Super delegates, what happens when Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Speaker Pelosi comes knocking on your door, super delegate, demanding that you do the right thing for your party. Do you really want to hold onto your Chairmanship Mr. super delegate, do you want onto a powerful committee Mr. super delegate, well I Speaker can make it happen for you, Bill or Hillary cannot. Consider the argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:34 AM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

I find it very difficult to debate the small minded, for all those who say Ted Kennedy, Oprah and the rest couldn't deliver for Obama, I say again that you are making the case for Obama. He is out there winning the majority of committed delegates on his own, Hillary is loosing the committed delegate fight with the help of Bill Clinton. Now who do you say is the stronger candidate, the candidate that is on his own or the candidate who is propped up by Bill Clinton.

I say again that all the Super delegates Hillary wrapped up were wrapped up before Obama got into the race. As for the competition for Super delegates, what happens when Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Speaker Pelosi comes knocking on your door, super delegate, demanding that you do the right thing for your party. Do you really want to hold onto your Chairmanship Mr. super delegate, do you want onto a powerful committee Mr. super delegate, well I Speaker can make it happen for you, Bill or Hillary cannot. Consider the argument.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of IkeChicago permalink

Most all of the Super delegates in Hillary's corner committed way before Obama ever thought about running. Can you see these Super delegates coming up to Hillary and saying, we committed to you before the we knew what the landscape looked like. I'm willing to make the bet that Hillary lock up all the black super delegates before Obama was on the landscape.

I challenge you to name me any major black super delegates that are in Obama's corner, Hillary Clinton has them all, now I ask you, will they stay with Hillary when their constituents are voting for Obama. The first priority of the super delegate is to himself, can he hold onto his seat if he goes again his constituents and stay in Hillary's camp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 02/06/2008
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