Super Tuesday Fallout: Where The Race Goes From Here

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First Posted: 02- 6-08 02:52 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Hillary Clinton's strength among core Democratic constituencies -- women, Latinos and working class whites -- pushed her to victory in the mega-state primaries of California, New York, New Jersey and Massachusetts on Tuesday, slowing, at least for the moment, the momentum that had been building behind Barack Obama's bid for the nomination.

Clinton's solid majorities among women, who make up from 55 to 59 percent of voters in Democratic primaries, remains her most reliable source of support, although her backing among Latino voters not only helped her win California, but should work to her advantage in the potentially crucial March 4 Texas primary.

Over the past two weeks, support for Obama had been growing in both national and individual state surveys. Obama did well on Tuesday, by any standard, but he did not achieve the kind of decisive victory that his top aides had been privately hoping for, if not counting on.

"Obama thought that if he could win one of the big ones, he could end it tonight," said Sandy Maisel, Colby political scientist. "He's shown he is viable, but I don't think he has proven he can knock her off yet."

Obama on Tuesday won 13 states - Alabama, Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Minnesota, North Dakota and Utah - to Clinton's 8 - Arizona, Arkansas, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma and Tennessee.

But Clinton won the biggest states, and six of Obama's 13 wins were in caucus states. A caucus state victory is generally considered less significant than taking first place in a primary, although there is no difference between caucuses and primaries in terms of the number of delegates to be won.

"I was beginning to feel optimistic," said Notre Dame political scientist Darren Davis. "I bought into the fascination with Obama as the primary season went on." Obama's success winning support from blacks, independents, the college educated and young voters is "all well and good, but not significant enough to counteract the traditional Democratic base."

David Leege, a colleague of Davis' at Notre Dame, contended that "Obama remains viable." Obama's campaign aides "set their sites a little too high, but they can still spin the number and location of the states they have carried. Clinton, of course, stopped his momentum again. Chesapeake [the February 12 primaries in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia] is promising for Obama. Ohio and Texas [on March 4] will be tough, especially the latter, because the same folks [Latinos] who are the difference for Clinton in California are in abundance in Texas."

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Of those interviewed for this article, only the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein and Vanderbilt's Marc Hetherington remained firmly optimistic about Obama's long range prospects.

"I think Obama is pretty well positioned, although he did not get the real hits on Clinton that he wanted, like NJ or CA," said Ornstein. "He now enters a stretch for three weeks where he will do well and she will not -- he could win all of the contests before March 4. And in Texas, an open primary may help him. Add to that his substantial money advantage and the momentum he brought into tonight, and he is very, very viable."

"It seems clear to me that Obama is viable. His appeal is broad and national in scope," said Hetherington. While Clinton won California, importantly, the exit poll showed that Obama barely lost among white voters in California, 42-45.

MIT's Charles Stewart did a study of how well Obama and Clinton did among African Americans, Hispanics, women and whites. Obama, as the campaign progressed, secured the backing of a decisive majority of black voters, but the other three groups backed Clinton -- often by large margins -- far more often than they cast majorities for Obama.

In the 19 primary states for which detailed exit poll data is available, Stewart found that whites and women in 15 states backed Clinton over Obama. Latinos in six of the nine states with Hispanic populations large enough to show up in exit poll data backed Clinton, Obama in two states and tied in one state.

In the nine states with large enough Latino populations to estimate how they voted, "Hillary Clinton has got a political base of women, seniors, and Hispanics that has been quite stable. He has African Americans and the [Bill] Bradley-[Paul] Tsongas Democrats. Her coalition is just slightly bigger in the Democratic primaries," said Republican strategist-pollster Bill McInturff.

While McInturff said the odds now favor Clinton, he pointed out that if victorious, she would face a severe dilemma in deciding whether to pick Obama as a running mate. On the one hand, the Democrats would "be asking Americans to elected a woman and an African American at the same time," he said. On the other hand, rejecting Obama would be denying the ticket to a truly "unique" politician. "It's really a bad choice to have to make."

Ornstein warned that John McCain has now won the nomination and may soon have it fully in his grasp. For Democrats, he said, "very possibly we will end up with McCain able to spend months resting and consolidating support while the Democrats have a sustained cage match."

A contest between John McCain and Obama would be very different from a battle between McCain and Clinton -- and those differences would likely determine not only the character of politics through November, but also the style and content of governance for the next four years.

If the general election is between Obama and McCain, both candidates will be under pressure to lessen partisan tensions in order to keep the support they have among independents and voters of the opposite party. The battle would likely be for the center, or swing, electorate, making the polarizing strategies that characterized the 2004 election more dangerous, because such maneuvers could alienate moderates.

Conversely, McCain and Clinton would both see more advantage in pursuing intensely partisan tactics designed to build turnout and enthusiasm among core loyalists. Polling data show that Republicans in a Clinton-McCain contest are much less willing to consider voting Democratic than they are if the race pits Obama against McCain.

While McCain is now the near-certain Republican nominee, the fight for the Democratic nomination is unlikely to be settled tonight, and most expect it to continue well into February, and perhaps all the way to the August Democratic National Convention in Denver.

The rough outlines of a Clinton-McCain and an Obama-McCain general election emerge from some of the data testing the outcome of each choice. Overall, there is very little difference in the vote totals as shown in poll data.

RealClearPolitics published the results of eight of the most recent surveys, and McCain had just a 1.8 percentage point lead, 46.3 percent to 44.5 percent, over Clinton, well within the margin of error. The same polls gave Obama a tiny, 0.7 percentage point lead over McCain, 44.4 percent to 45.1 percent. At this stage in the election, the differences between Clinton and Obama's competitive positions against McCain have almost no predictive validity.

Within those numbers, however, there are distinctions that could prove to be highly significant.

The Cook Political Report/RT Strategies poll of 855 registered voters conducted January 31 to February 2 found that Obama ran significantly better than Clinton among independent and Republican voters in a contest with McCain, while in a Clinton-McCain matchup, Hillary did better than Obama among Democratic voters. The same pattern emerged in a FOX News survey of 900 registered voters on January 30 and 31.

The Cook/RT Strategies findings show the following:

All Voters Democrats Republicans Independents

Clinton 41 75 10 38

McCain 45 17 83 42


Obama 45 71 14 50

McCain 43 17 79 35


On the surface, the differences between Clinton and Obama -- ranging from 4 to 12 percentage points -- may not appear significant, but in practice elections are won and lost at these and even much smaller margins. Obama runs 4 points behind Clinton among Democrats, 75 to 71, in match-ups with McCain, but he runs 4 points (14-10) and 12 points (50-38) better than Clinton among Republicans and independents.

The patterns in survey testing hypothetical general election contests are consistently reflected in the partisan character of the primary vote. In Missouri's Tuesday election, for example, Clinton won regular Democrats by a solid 8 points, 51-43; but she lost independents voting in the Democratic primary to Obama by 28 points, 31-59, and the small fraction of Republicans casting votes in the Democratic primary by 50 points, 21-71.

Similarly in New Jersey on Tuesday, Democratic voters backed Clinton 51-47 while independents went with Obama 53-40.

Even in Clinton's home state, New York, Obama won independents 56-38, while Clinton won Democrats, 60-38.

"Hillary emerges as the frontrunner based on her lead in the overall delegate count and winning the big prize tonight, California, by apparently a pretty good margin," said Emory's Alan Abramowitz. "But it's far from over. Obama won more states, and now the race shifts into a mode that may favor him more by allowing him to concentrate on one or a few states at a time. He will be able to use his campaign skills and fundraising prowess to advantage.... The race clearly will go on for a while."

A Democratic operative with extensive experience in presidential contests agreed. "This is a competitive race," he said. "At some point this becomes mathematics not spin."

Hillary Clinton's strength among core Democratic constituencies -- women, Latinos and working class whites -- pushed her to victory in the mega-state primaries of California, New York, New Jersey and ...
Hillary Clinton's strength among core Democratic constituencies -- women, Latinos and working class whites -- pushed her to victory in the mega-state primaries of California, New York, New Jersey and ...
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- user168 I'm a Fan of user168 6 fans permalink

So who is your choice, an experienced (although not real presidential experience such as 2-term Bush experience) candidate who lies for you and may someday lie against you, or a so-called not-so-experienced candidate who has shown honest and sound judgment over the Iraq War? (Senator Obama's insightful speech on Oct. 26, 2002 opposing the use of force over Iraq: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.phpaz=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4327360&mesg_id=4327360)

"... But we ought not — we will not — travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."
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"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death."

"The enlightened ruler is heedful, and the good general full of caution."

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it."

"How could man rejoice in victory and delight in the slaughter of men, women, and children?"

Oh where, oh where were my Hillary tears when I needed thou?

Voting on Iraq War is like eating jellybeans, "you can tell a lot about a fella's character..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:52 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Nothing good happens to any candidate that runs out of money, now let's put the pressure on Hillary. She cannot afford to pay her staff and they are going unpaid, now here is the new angle. Obama has to come out and declare that we plan to run Senator Claire McCaskill for VP.

If John Kerry had carried Missouri he would have won the general election. This is the best of two worlds, Barack Obama wins and we will have a woman president in 8 years from now in Senator Claire McCaskill.

Time to turn the pressure on, Hillary choose her VP Sen Evan Byah of Indiana, now it is time for us to choose ours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 02/06/2008

My god, this is sweet. I am really excited at the prospect of REAL change, embodied in Barack Obama.

How about a war on policies that INSPIRE support of terrorism. How about Health care reform supported by someone ACTUALLY CAPABLE of reaching across the aisle for REAL change, rather than someone who virtually WORKS for the big 7 insurers just forcing everyone, by law, to buy insurance from them no matter how terrible the service is or how astronomical the prices are.

Imagine being led by someone who's foriegn policy calls are actually informed and correct as opposed to bought and patently wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

I see my challenge to make the case for a Hillary Clinton nominee has gone unheeded, I see only bitterness and resentment from her supporters.

Well everyone should do what they are best at doing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Let me make the case for Barack Obama.

1. Barack Obama will out raise any Republican candidate without taking money from Lobbyist.

2 Barack Obama will put Red states into play and even if he does not carry the state, he will give local Democrats a chance to win congressional races and other state races.

3. Barack Obama will attract more independent voters and will keep Mayor Bloomberg out of the race.

4. Barack Obama will motivate students and young people to come out and vote for the Democrats thereby helping locals to win.

5. Barack Obama will attract Republicans to the Democratic party.

6. Barack Obama will attract many more voters to the polls.

7. Barack Obama will have more street money to attract locals to the polls.

8. Barack Obama heading the national ticket will help Democrats into the congress, much like he campaigned for them in 2006.

9 Barack Obama was opposed to the war from the start and will make the case for this.

10. Barack Obama does not have the baggage of the Clintons and will not motivate the Republican party to come out for their candidate.

Now I invite you to make a strong case for Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 02/06/2008
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http://ronpaul.meetup.com/boards/thread/4172968/0/

More election fraud: New York officials telling voters that Ron Paul had been taken off the ballot, and/or that they "couldn't" vote for him.

WTF??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton just loaned her campaign $5m dollars, people have stopped giving to her campaign. We intend to raise another $30m in Feb, we intend to see Hillary spend herself into the poor house. $5m is not enough Hillary, you'll have to come out of your pocket for much more another $10m.

Do I fell bad about Hillary going into her own pocket, I say no, it was Bill Clinton who said that Hillary was going to out raise every other candidate and run the off. No Bill it is Hillary who is being run off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 02/06/2008

can people quit posting how this news network or that news network hates this candidate or that candidate. what they are mostly after are ratings. this is the most sensationalized election ever.
hopefully all of us will decide who to vote for by doing our own research.
who cares what mathews, or o riley, or any of the talking heads say. it's merely entertainment not much more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/06/2008

Just reiterating, because now I've seen it too.

THE FINAL DELEGATE COUNT FROM LAST NIGHT IS:

Clinton: 844
Obama: 848

Clinton is going to hold a news conference in a few minutes. Expect her to emphasize a huge number of debates over the next few weeks - the story behind that is that her campaign is running out of money and her donors are maxed out, and she desperately needs free air time. There are 6 or 7 remaining primaries over the next month and Obama is expected to sweep them. As the polls stand right now - forget about whatever the momentum is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 PM on 02/06/2008
- KQuark I'm a Fan of KQuark 265 fans permalink
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One thing that they are talking about on the Republican side but not the Democratic side are the open primaries. Obama trounced Clinton in the majority of open primaries which did not include the big prizes of the night, CA, NJ, NY and MA. Unlike last Tuesday the big prizes left are mostly open primaries including TX, OH and VA, while PA is not. The irony of this is that cross over independent white men may give the first African American the nomination. Now that would make me proud to be a white man not because I thought I was superior, on the contrary because white men are choosing the superior candidate regardless of his ethnicity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 02/06/2008

I don't understand something:

Hillary's voice is unbearably unpleasant to me, I really cannot stand listening to the sound of her voice. yet other people talk about her as if she was like other women, as though her voice did not sound like nails down a chalkboard.

so am I just weird? or is Hillary's voice the elephant in the room that noone mentions, because it's like pointing out somebody is fat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 02/06/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

All this talk will become mute when Obama starts sweeping the next 6 to 8 primaries, watch the national polls switch and watch what happens in Ohio. I make this argument in light of what happened to front running Rudy, he lost 4 in a row and he then disappeared from the race. Mark my argument, when Hillary looses about 5 in a row she will be on life support. Saturday Feb 9 will start Hillary's slide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 PM on 02/06/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Familiar theme: McCain is calling for his detractors and opponents to "tone it" down.

In a nutshell folks, that's exactly why he co-authored McCain-Feingold; to limit the free speech of his opponents.

What a piece of crap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/06/2008

A McCAIN MOMENT

The new Mormon leader's eighty.

Sounds uncool

Except to old folks beaming,

Seniors rule!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 02/06/2008
- Orikinla I'm a Fan of Orikinla 4 fans permalink

CORRECTED:

Men have ruled America for centuries.

Men are men, regardless of their race, color or creed.
So all the political jazz about electing the first black man as president is political nonsense.

The time has come to elect a woman as the President of the United States of America.
Other women tried and gave up, but you all must support the only woman in the presidential race now.

Whether you love Hillary Clinton or you despise her is not the point, because what matters most is, she has taken up the challenge to be elected for the leadership of America.

God bless America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 02/06/2008
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