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economy, january sales, retailers, shopping

Retailers Have Worst January In Almost Four Decades

New York Times   |   February 7, 2008 10:45 PM


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Here is a sign of how shaky the economy is becoming: Wal-Mart says its shoppers are redeeming their holiday gift cards for basic items -- pasta sauce, diapers, laundry detergent -- rather than iPods and DVDs.

Merchants had hoped that shoppers with gift cards would provide a lift after a slack holiday season, partly because they tend to spend more than the value of the card. But that did not seem to happen last month, and retailers are feeling the pain.

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The time has come to start paying the piper for what this administration has done. I just cringe to think of what the payments will be to start paying the Iraq war off.....a war which keeps siphoning money into the endless pit and seems to have grown a mind of it's own which politicians are scared to even think about.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 02/09/2008
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The Surge Is Working! Oil Companies post Record Profits! The Surge Is Working!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 02/09/2008

Your basic greed resulting in outsourcing at work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 02/08/2008
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The old American economy was built on the large discretionary money of middle American wage earners. That time is gone. Over the last 20 years, middle Americans have been squeezed by stagnant wages on one hand, and rising non-core inflation (food and energy) on the other. The American economy maintained its old standards by having Middle class Americans go into debt. Well, that was unsustainable.

The big business war on labor unions, tax breaks for the rich, deficit spending, rewarding business for shipping jobs overseas all contributed to this situation. (How does deficit spending hurt the middle class? Our THIRD largest item on the budget is the INTEREST on our National Debt, about $429 bill/ year. That is $429 bil that is not going for infrastructure, jobs, R&D, education, etc, etc)

America will not gain its former health until the Middle class regains its access to large discretionary incomes.
Period.

It IS class warfare. And the rich are winning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/08/2008

How dare the American consumers use their gift cards for essentials rather than frivolously, the audacity of them. This is treasonous, according to Bush and those who don't use gift cards the way Wal Mart expected them to be used need to be declared enemy combatants and rendered to GITMO. No wonder Romney wanted to expand GITMO, FOR THE TRAITOR CONSUMERS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 02/08/2008
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Gotta be Hillary's fault, right? Everything else is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 02/08/2008
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Really? I guess I got lost. I thought everything was still Bill's fault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 02/08/2008

No, no, it's still Bill's fault. Won't be Hillary's fault until the well has run dry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 02/08/2008

I am not surprised at the drop in retail sales in recent months, and in part I blame retailers themselves for their situations. To keep prices down and profits up, they have forced all but a small part of their non-food products to non-USA manufacure, eliminating those people that did make products here at reasonable pay from buying.
Because of longer supply lines, they have to make guesses at to ordering, meaning overstocking or making bad choices in goods then having to cut prices to less than profitable to move the goods if they don't sell or not having enough of demanded goods where they can make a profit.
Then you have a domino effect from the overstocking issue so that if Kole's and JC Penneys cut prices, then Macy's has to cut them more to get the customers in and then more cuts by Kole then another round of deeper cuts of prices further destroying profits. Then too you have a finate amount of demand due to lower pay to spend on clothing, stretching out longer lives from stuff and delaying buying.
As to Henry Ford and the '$5 day' pay, part of the reason was not so much to create more buyers who could afford to buy the cars they made, it was to reduce the extemely high rates of turnover of staff due to the horrible high pressure working conditions in his factories.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/08/2008

Gee, I wonder what's going to happen when people get their stimulus checks from W? Think they're going to run out and spend them on crap?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/08/2008

Hey Groucho: I heard the government was going to borrow $300.00 somewhere and send the money to me. Cool. I know just what I'm gonna do. First, I'm gonna buy a gun. Then ........

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 02/08/2008

It would be a real terrible shame if these big box retailers had to close down their stores and let smaller buisinesses open in their place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/08/2008

....Sort of like the "Happy Days" days. All small locally owned shops.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 AM on 02/09/2008
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My parents moved from a metropolitan city back in 1980, to a smaller town in Oregon of 7,000 people. They did so because they missed the "small town feel" of where they grew up. After moving to small town, America-they began driving 30 miles to get to the bigger chain retail stores, because small town prices were too high. So they didn't support the "small town" feeling they said they craved. We argue about that to this day, and it is a hypocrisy that lives in all of us, when we make our day to day choices. Most of us don't think about what our choices decide-we just want the bargain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 AM on 02/09/2008

Time to start downsizing the workforce of coolies in China. Twice the hours half the pay!

And those big round hats will be replaced with visors manufactured from rice paper.

And no more shoes either! What do you think God invented callusses for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 02/08/2008

too bad for the retailers....guess we can live without chinese products, in return our landfills get a reduction.

maybe if the "retailers" helped bring Mfg jobs "back home, where they belong, it might help. you know, the consequences of becoming gainfully employed in a family-wage job?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/08/2008
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How so? Bush keeps talking about how prosperous we are. Are you suggesting [say it ain't so] that the Prez is a bit daft?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/08/2008

looks like the US consumer is embracing the buddhist philosophy that attachment to material things brings misery(hunger and torn underwear). walmart should stock up on little buddha icons to improve sales.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:36 AM on 02/08/2008
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Since WalMart gets most of their stuff from China, they should have no trouble finding a supplier of Buddha figurines.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/08/2008


Excerpts from Time magazine's 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century:

http://www.time.com/time/time100/builder/profile/ford.html

Henry Ford

He produced an affordable car, paid high wages and helped create a middle class...

By Lee Iococca

"...In 1905...his backers at the new Ford Motor Co. were insisting that the best way to maximize profits was to build a car for the rich...

...he thought that the guys who made the cars ought to be able to afford one themselves so that they too could go for a spin on a Sunday afternoon. In typical fashion, instead of listening to his backers, Ford eventually bought them out.

...Ford instituted industrial mass production, but what really mattered to him was mass consumption. He figured that if he paid his factory workers a real living wage and produced more cars in less time for less money, everyone would buy them.

His vision would help create a middle class in the U.S., one marked by urbanization, rising wages and some free time in which to spend them.

...The same year (1914), Henry Ford shocked the world with what probably stands as his greatest contribution ever: the $5-a-day minimum-wage scheme. The average wage in the auto industry then was $2.34 for a 9-hr. shift. Ford not only doubled that, he also shaved an hour off the workday... The Wall Street Journal called the plan "an economic crime," and critics everywhere heaped "Fordism" with equal scorn. But as the wage increased later to a daily $10, it proved a critical component of Ford's quest to make the automobile accessible to all...

...if it hadn't been for Henry Ford's drive to create a mass market for cars, America wouldn't have a middle class today."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 02/08/2008

Greed makes big business stupid.

Trickle UP is the only thing that works in a free market economy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 02/08/2008

In 1967/8 I was working on the line for Chrysler, building kick ass cars (including some of the first muscle cars). There existed an immense pride amongst the workers in the product we were building. One day a bunch of twits descended on the plant with white shirts, high water pants and stop watches. They timed everything we did. A month later the management announced they were upping the production from 60 cars an hour to 70 cars. This increased pace was unattainable and the workers were pissed¦we produced crap after that¦.if I recall correctly about 50% of the cars produced were red flagged and had to go to a holding area to be repaired. Chrysler began its long slide into the mess it is in today the day they let greed take over. Let the bastards melt in hell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/08/2008
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Will someone please tell GW Bush how many years are in four decades. I'm losing confidence in this guy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/08/2008
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...the nights grow short when you reach December.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/08/2008
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I tell you, the idiots running the show have put us in a very vulnerable position. With the purchasing power of the middle class dwindling faster than you can say "outsourcing and globalization", we are that much less able to purchase our way out of a paper bag. I cannot believe how myopic Congress and the leadership was in this whole free trade, outsourcing, and globalization debate. Clearly it is having a very negative effect on the ability of the economy to recovery. Of course, the huge problems in the mortgage sector with bankruptcies didn't help either.

We might very well face another Depression similar to the one experienced in the late 20's and 30s of the 20th century. Where's FDR when you need him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 AM on 02/08/2008

frappe; Not a depression but a global melt down that will bring about the completion of the New World Order and the Project for a New Century. Watch the global stock markets if the Dow goes down so do the rest of the stock markets in the World. 1776

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 02/08/2008
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