NBC's Fuzzy Delegate Math

Just break the numbers into 2 columns (BO-HC) & three categories:
Pledged - superdelegates announced/pending - MI/FL
It's easy enough to figure out from there.
The DNC should be doing this, not NBC and AP.

These are DNC delegates, right? Shouldn't the DNC have the definitive numbers? Where the hell are they?

Lets not forget AP thinks Paris Hilton is a real news story.

I love the fox noise moonbats that squeal about faux news. All on blogs where HuffyPo changes headlines to suit their agenda.

So fucking dumb they are marooned in a big corporate media site.

The corrupt system of super delegates put into place by Clinton's minions is like a convention of crime families. This was designed as her ultimate safety net in securing the nomination. The only problem with this backroom scenario is she will never beat McCain.

Having super delegates is something I would expect in corrupt third world dictatorships, it has no place in a functioning democracy. Everyone who votes should have their votes count equally.

Super delegates is an open door to establishment corruption and personal bribery.

Example: "My vote counts for 10,000 peoples, so if you donate $100,000 in cash to my buy a sports car foundation I will give you my 10,000 votes."

Does that sound like democracy?

The more I learn about this country, the sicker I get.

i just read a article that new mexico is still counting and has not been decided even though its being reported that hillary won it. and the ap has obama ahead by 2. and please stop with the media bias against clinton argument. i have been following this campaign since it started because of the fiasco of the last elections. and i clearly remember when the media told us that this was her race and she pretty much had it tied up in a bow. the only thing hat changed is like all candidates the dirt came out and now that is being reported. some act as though they are pulling thingsout of the air.

the headline for this post is an outright lie.Why do you people keep doing this?The story had nothing to with "fuzzy math",but contained a straightforward nd sensible reason why NBC had the numbers they did.

Huffpo really needs top using headlines that are completely contrary to what the stories they're leading are about.If you think that lying about what the post contains is good journalism,you all need to go to work for Fox.

They are absolutely pro-Obama biased at NBC News. Actually, they're biased in favor of anybody who isn't Hillary. I lost all respect for Tim Russert when he insisted during the Philly debate that Hillary Clinton "pledge" that Iran will not develop a nuclear weapon while she's President, but when the other candidates give the same answer as Hillary, he doesn't bother them about it. Here is a sample of what transpired, and you can read the rest at: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/30/us/politics/30debate-transcript.html?pagewanted=all
MR. RUSSERT: Senator Clinton, would you pledge to the American people that Iran will not develop a nuclear bomb while you are president?
SEN. CLINTON: I intend to do everything I can to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.
MR. RUSSERT: But you won't pledge?
SEN. CLINTON: I am pledging I will do everything I can to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.
MR. RUSSERT: But they may.
SEN. CLINTON: Well, you know, Tim, you asked me if I would pledge, and I have pledged that I will do everything I can -- (laughter) -- to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb.
MR. RUSSERT: Senator Edwards.
MR. EDWARDS: What I will do is take all the responsible steps that can be taken to keep Iran from developing a nuclear weapon.
MR. RUSSERT: Senator Obama.
SEN. OBAMA: I think all of us are committed to Iran not having nuclear weapons. And -- and so, you know, we -- we -- we could potentially short-circuit this. (Laughter.)
But -- but I think there is a larger point at stake, Tim, and that is we have been governed by fear...

Does anyone else think that the whole concept of Superdelegates should be tossed out. It is exactly contrary to the concept of democracy and is a remanent of the old days when party bosses ignored the wishes of their members and instead just picked whoever they wanted. And it doesn't appear the Rubuplicans put up with this crap or at leaset they don't give these "super voters" (i.e. non-democratic) such a huge percentage of the vote required for the nomination. Who would of thought the Republican party to be more democratic then the Democrats?

Is this a WSJ heading or a Huffpo heading? It seems that NBC is using less fuzzy numbers than the others since they're only counting the truly committed delegates, the Superdelegates haven't voted yet.

It's never surprising when MSNBC does something that favors Obama.

He's there brand.

Counting super delegates now is utterly ridiculous. Super delegates will cast their vote at the convention, in late August. Does your bank account include a future inheritance or something?

"Yeah, I know I only have $20.00 in my account now, but why can't I get a million in advance since my parents have a billion which I'll inherit when they'll die?" Try to take this to the bank and see how it goes.

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

Now the numbers are Clinton 832, Obama 821 in the delegate count. This does not include the establishment counts of the Superdelegates that have only been promised but are not committed until the Convention.

So...the DNC says one thing, Chuck Todd got the numbers directly from the DNC, the Obama campaign, AND the Clinton campaign.

But they're wrong?

This reminds me of 2000 when NBC was the only news station who knew what the fuck they were talking about and every other network was running around with their heads cut off trying to get to bed early.

Maybe Chuck Todd is using the numbers from the DNC themselves.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections08/story/0,,2254922,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront

The final tally of delegates has still not been allocated after Super Tuesday. The 2008 Democratic Convention Watch website today gave Clinton a total of 862 elected delegates to Obama's 883.

But when super-delegates - the 700-plus members of Congress, governors and others who automatically have a vote at the conventions - are taken into account, she has 1,065 and Obama 996.

The Wall Street Journal is making trouble and is being dishonest in its reporting. All these discrepancies can be explained in two ways. First, some of these counts are swhowing only official counts and not projections of delegate counts which are not yet official. Secondly, the earlier counts include super delegates - if you see a delegate count that puts Hilary Clinton in the lead, it contains super delegate counts, since Barack Obama is ahead on pledged delegates. And finally, the NBC count by Churck Todd was for Super Tuesday only and did not contain superdelegates. There is very little disagreement that Obama will have 905-910 delegates going inot Saturday's caucuses, and that Hilary has 880-885. Hilary has about 200 super delegates who have endorsed her and Obama has a little over 1/2 of that - so when you see a count that puts Hilary 80 pts. in the lead, you know super delegates are included. Remember, super delegates can change their minds - in general pledged delegates can not.

NBC will use whatever number favors Obama in terms of perception. NBC is Obama's Pimp!

NBC will use whatever number favors Obama in terms of perception. NBC is Obama's Pimp!

It is better to not include the delegates at this time. However, the DNC has the superdelegates at 20% of the total delegate count for nomination. All media should present the numbers in two columns: one with total pledge delegates and superdelegates on the other. CNN has presented this quite straightforwardly.

I think the reason NBC/MSNBC is being criticized is being they have been pretty critical of Hillary in a tabloid/talk show kind of way with Matthews, Shuster, Scarborough, Brezinski leading the attack. They have been acting like broadcast bloggers and opinion makers instead of news reporters or journalists.

I know MSNBC in particular is so desperate in trying to edge out Fox News in the ratings that it is doing all it can to be controversial however wrong or right they deliver the news and express their opinion. It is unprofessional of MSNBC to allege, insinuate or distort information as news in their quest to be the Liberal equivalent of conservative FOX News.

Uh.....isn't it better to not include Superdelegates? It lets you know who's actually winning, in terms of elected delegates. If anything, they should have, at all times, both the numbers with, and without the superdelegates.