2008 presidential race, Barack Obama, delegates, Hillary Clinton, Saturday primaries, superdelegates
2008 presidential race, Barack Obama, delegates, Hillary Clinton, Saturday primaries, superdelegates

Obama Leads Clinton by Only 2 Delegates

STEPHEN OHLEMACHER | February 8, 2008 11:21 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Three days after the voting ended, the race for Democratic delegates in Super Tuesday's contests was still too close to call. With nearly 1,600 delegates from Tuesday contests awarded, Sen. Barack Obama led by two delegates Friday night, with 91 delegates still to be awarded. Obama won 796 delegates in Tuesday's contests, to 794 for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, according to an analysis of voting results by The Associated Press.

In the Republican contest, Sen. John McCain had a commanding lead in the race for delegates.

Nearly a third of the outstanding delegates are from Colorado, a state where Obama won the popular vote. California, a state that Clinton carried, had 20 Democratic delegates still to be awarded. Neither state expected to have complete results before next week.

Obama won the popular vote in 13 states Tuesday, while Clinton won in eight states and American Samoa.

In the overall race for the nomination, Clinton has 1,055 delegates, including separately chosen party and elected officials known as superdelegates. Obama has 998.

A total of 2,025 delegates are need to secure the Democratic nomination.

Many delegates were outstanding because some states have been unable to provide all the votes in some congressional districts. The problems arose in states with counties that are split into multiple congressional districts.

The states have provided results in each county. But in some cases, they are still working to assign the votes in the appropriate congressional district.

Those votes are important because both parties award delegates based on statewide votes and on results in individual congressional districts. Democrats award them proportionally, meaning precise counts can be necessary, even when the vote is overwhelmingly in favor of one candidate.

In California, officials were still counting absentee ballots Friday. Officials had estimated that more than 1 million absentee ballots may have been submitted.

In Tuesday's Republican contests, McCain won 617 delegates to 205 for former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who suspended his campaign on Thursday. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee won 155 and Rep. Ron Paul won 10. There are still 36 Republican delegates to be awarded from Tuesday's contests.

In the overall race for the nomination, McCain leads with 719, to 198 for Huckabee and 14 for Paul. Romney's suspended campaign still has 298 delegates.

A total of 1,191 delegates are needed to secure the Republican nomination.

The AP tracks the delegate races by projecting the number of national convention delegates won by candidates in each presidential primary or caucus, based on state and national party rules, and by interviewing unpledged delegates to obtain their preferences.

In some states, like Iowa and Nevada, local precinct caucuses are the first stage in the allocation process. The AP uses preferences expressed in those caucuses to project the number of national convention delegates each candidate will have when they are chosen at county, congressional district or state conventions.

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"I don"t assert that there is anything evil or ugly about trying to convince the world that your nomination is inevitable. It is the natural thing to do, to try to be seen as the prohibitive favorite. But it has come back to bite Clinton in the ass." **********************************I hear this idiotic claim time and time again. You know, the theory that Hillary expected to be coronated and that her nomination was inevitable...blah, blah, blah. Yet, for the life of me, no one has ever shown anything she said or did that would indicate the truth of this. She has been campaigning hard from the very beginning- taking absolutely nothing for granted. It amazes me that we seem to have millions of psychologists and mind-readers in this country who believe they can look into someone's psyche and determine what they think. It is just more ignorance....coming from people who are apparently not equipped enough to think otherwise.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 02/09/2008

"No democrat is going to win Ohio, Texas or Florida." **************************

Ohio has a very good chance of going Blue this election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/09/2008

thegreatgiginthesky Said:
"How can he loose Super Tuesday when he has more delegates and won more states, most importantly states in the south?" ****************Beside the fact that every source has Clinton ahead in the delegate count except the source HuffPo decides to use....your post should read..."...LEAST importantly states in the south?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 02/09/2008

EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD READ THIS PIECE!!:
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Here Come the Brownshirts, Again
Does the Republican Party Have Aces Up Its Sleeves (for the 2008 elections)?
In a McCain Regime, Cheney will be back in office with another stint as Secretary of War. Norman "Bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran" Podhoretz will be Undersecretary for Nuclear War with General John "Nuke them" Shalikashvili as his deputy. Rudy Giuliani will be the Minister of Interior in charge of Halliburton's detention centers into which will be herded all critics of war and the police state. Billy kristol will be chief White House spokesliar.

The whole gang will be back--Wolfowitz, Perle, Wurmster, Feith, Libby, Bolton. America will have a second chance to bomb the world into submission.

With the majority of voters sick of war, sick of lies, sick of fraud from the Federal Reserve and Wall Street, and sick of stagnant and falling incomes, McCain is poised to capture 20 per cent of the vote--the Christian Zionists, the rapture evangelicals, and the diehard macho flag-waving thugs who believe America is done for unless "Islamofacists" are exterminated.

They can steal the election with the Diebold electronic voting machines and proprietary software that no one is allowed to check. There are now enough elections on record with significant divergences between exit polls and vote tallies that a stolen election can be explained away. The Democrats have been house trained to acquiesce to stolen elections. The voters, whose votes are stolen, dismiss the evidence as "conspiracy theories."

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/09/2008

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 02/09/2008

CNN is reporting that Clinton is ahead by 94 delegates but the Obama Post willnever report this. That would be positive news for the Clintons. You guys and MSNBC are the same biased scum bags.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 02/09/2008

Going into Super Tuesday Obama had a lead of 15 delegates 63(O) and 48(HC) now he only has a lead of 2 that means he lost super Tuesday.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 AM on 02/09/2008

How can he loose Super Tuesday when he has more delegates and won more states, most importantly states in the south?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 02/09/2008

Sorry Cent he has no such lead..

without superdelegates

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

And MI has given the "Lions" share of delegates to Hillary, if you think they won't count, think again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 02/09/2008

Looks like its going to come down to the wire between these two. Either of them would make a good leader. Together they could be unstoppable in the General election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 02/09/2008
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I think that the media has done a lot to encourage the Obama surge. MS-NBC in particular does not want Clinton to get the nomination. (Keep in mind big businesses own the networks)

But ask yourself why Republicans have not laid a hand on Obama. They seem much more nervous about running against Clinton and are constantly beating on her. Republicans seem to think Obama will be easier to beat. I'm afraid they are right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 02/09/2008

The Republicans can think whatever they want. After 8 years of destroying everything that is sacred to this nation its time to sweep the scum out of office and into the sewer where it belongs. Republicans = Scum.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 02/09/2008

Where do you get your news from? You've got it exactly backwards. The most recent TIME poll has Obama beating McCain by seven, while it's a tie between Hillary and McCain.

Get informed before you blow it by voting for Hillary because you think she's more electable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 02/09/2008

Yeah during the blitkrieg of the media pumping up obama and the poll was taken before super Tuesday. As far as trusting any polls coming from Time, Newsweek, Zogby, WP, etc. your missing their incompetence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 02/09/2008

I have said this time and time again. When Brit Hume and Bill Kristol on Fox News go out of their way to praise Obama, something is afoot. They want Obama to get the nomination and the Democrats are so stupid, the left wing and the media is falling for it. Obama's picture is everywhere, even when the story is about Clinton and the fact she has more delgates. SHAME on the Huffington Post! To quote George Bailey in "It's a Wonderful Life:" "Don't you understand what is happening here?" Clinton has beat back the Republican machine time and time again, while Obama has never even met the machine yet. McCain has already said he will run his campaign on "Security." Where are Obama's security credentials? He doesn't have any. HELLO! All it will take (note my previous posts) is ONE national security incident and McCain will walk in the White House carrying over 40 states, i.e., McGovern 1972. Where are the real Democrats who want the White House? Not in the Obama campaign, I can tell you that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/09/2008

I have been a Democrat my entire life, and I voted for a Democrat in every presidential election. Don't say I am not a real Democrat just because I support someone other than your candidate. Believe it or not, the Democratic Party does not belong to Hillary Clinton. Just because she thought she had the superdelegates sewn up and all the money raised last year doesn't mean the voters should not have a choice. I am a real Democrat, and guess what? So are many other people who support Obama. It doesn't mean I don't respect Hillary in many ways, but I don't her to be my president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 02/10/2008

You can call me an idealist if you want but I just can't picture any way McCain can win the Oval Office.America is fed up with with these war mongers and just because McCain was a POW doesn't make him a military expert.To suggest we will stay in Iraq a hundred years means he hasn't a clue as to how this war will be paid for.As far as manpower goes we could only sustain a viable fighting force by re-instituting the draft.Starting a war with false intel and criminally defending the premise of why we invaded a sovereign nation is common knowledge and Americans let the Republicans know how they felt last election.Republicans stayed on the same track,following this President into untold debt and ruining our economy,all the while,even now,telling us how strong the economy is.If this were your families checkbook would you make such rediculous statements?Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton have more to offer this nation than any nincompoop Republican.Who is the Republican party foisting on their constituents to vote for and why?The who is people that are expendable,the why,they all followed this warmonger for eight years while they joined him in ripping off the American public and they have no viable candidate to address any of the charges leveled at them and they all know it's a losing proposition.John McCain was a war hero and he should be commended for his service to our country,but to think he can carry on the same policies that Bush instituted the last eight years is folly and reprehensible and most Americans know this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 AM on 02/09/2008

I will go for Hillary over Obama ...

What are you people smoking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 02/09/2008

don't worry... we "didn't inhale"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:20 AM on 02/09/2008

I think you are smoking Hopium.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 02/09/2008

You might want to rethink your support for her after seeing these. The Republicans will make sure everyone in America has seen them.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9aEPIGL0_pg&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

I support Obama because he inspires me to be a better person and he makes me proud to be an American again. I don't support Hillary because she is no different, in terms of morality and honesty, than Bush and Cheney. She makes me want to crawl under a rock and die of shame for America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 02/09/2008

Phylo you don't know whats about to hit obama do you, if he is the nominee and that is a BIG IF, the rightwing is already in motion, get real, people would rather listen to an empty speech than research his history and accomplishments, the rightwing can't touch Hillary we all know the smear and we are bored and don't allow the hype to overcome our intelligence, you on the other hand have no clue about obama and you choose to stay blind to any truth coming out on him and the people will listen and it will dramatically change his standing, you would rather accept his bushy platform and it is the same than accept reality. You have asked no questions accepted no truth and to your detriment have failed in your civic responsibility.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/08/anti-obama-film-on-the-way/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 02/09/2008



The Super Delegates were never intended to influence an election, but rather to safeguard against another fiasco election of McGovern, the process is now having unintended consequences. Rather than a safeguard, it is now influencing elections, for instance, Hillary Clinton is running around saying that she"s in the delegate lead based merely on the fact that she has more super delegates, this my friends is Hillary pimping the system.

Let me throw in a hypothetical here, say a candidate locks up all the Super delegates prior to the election and headlines flash all across the nation that Candidate XX is half way to winning the nomination, what then, who would venture to run against Candidate XX.

This is turning out to be a case of unintended consequences, the Super Delegate instead of being a safeguard to the nomination, have become the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 AM on 02/09/2008

She would beat him without Super Delegates.

1)Ohio
2)Pennsylvania
3)Texas
4)Florida
5)Michigan
The electrol votes of syper Tuesday states

205(C) 110(O)

he can not win big states. Even with teddy, Kerry and Duvall he lost MA by 15%.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/09/2008

No democrat is going to win Ohio, Texas or Florida. Those are red states. The republicans own those states. Obama may take some traditionally red states though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 02/09/2008

I'm still going to vote for Hillary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 02/09/2008

well... all I can say is "Happy Cluster-Bombing"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 02/09/2008

Sure you don't want to rethink your support?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Do we really need more of that business in the White House?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:54 AM on 02/09/2008

Stephen your playing with fuzzy math you and obama and MSNBC and maybe some rightwing rags are the only one showing obama with anytype of lead. With or without superdelegates.
And count on MI and FL to be seated tha puts Hillary with a larger margin than she has now. Does it seem as though the media are vying for a brokered convention?
Delegate Count.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:57 AM on 02/09/2008

I already voted for Obama. Wish I could do it again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 AM on 02/09/2008

You can. Next time he runs!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/09/2008

RERUN THE MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA PRIMARIES

The most democratic (Democratic?) way to resolve the Michigan/Florida divide is to rerun both primaries, perhaps on the same day as the Puerto Rico contest (June 7, I think).

The DNC should pay for half of the cost for running the primaries and the other half should be paid for however primaries are normally funded. In this way, a potentially party-dividing resolution at the Convention would be avoided in a manner that is equally fair and unfair to the candidates but wholly fair to the Democratic primary voters of that state. The so-called "super" delegates from Michigan and Florida should be forced to vote however the voters of the state vote. If it is a "winner-take-all" state, then the super delegates should vote however the majority in the state vote. If delegates are proportionately apportioned, then the super delegates should vote however the voters from the district from which they come vote.

Admittedly this resolution means a very different primary than it would have meant when the states original primaries occurred, as, among other things, there would only be 2 candidates on the ballot. However having another primary would be democratic and would also give the states what they were seeking by moving the election in contravention to DNC rules, in that each state's primary would be of major importance to determining who the candidate is. At the same time, having another primary would put to bed a division that could literally jeopardize the outcome of the national election in November, as the delegates from those states would not be the subject of a bitter tug-of-war that could anger significant proportions of the campaign workers from those states necessary to get out the vote (who is exactly who state delegates to the Convention are).

Rerun the primaries in Michigan and Florida.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 02/09/2008

Why should Fl. and MI be forced to go and vote again 1.7 million voted in FL. 600,000 voted in MI. The count should be split by the percentage won or lost.

Delegate count, non biased, without an agenda.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 02/09/2008

They should be rerun again because in Michigan voters had to choose between Hillary, Kucinich, Dodd and "uncommitted" (or something like that) and because in FL the rules were too confusing to allow the candidates to fully campaign.

More than that though is the fact there is no resolution to the problem that will satisfy both sides and many critical state party workers (who are the delegates) in both states will not be "doing their all" to win, as whichever sides gets those delegates, even if they are proportionate to the results of the unfair votes in those states, will be insulted and angry.

Rather than looking at trying to fix the unfixable, just rerun those primaries and let both candidates campaign. In that way, there will be party unity in both states after the Convention, and the Dems will have the best chance of gaining the electoral votes in both states (which are quite numnerous).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 AM on 02/09/2008

Mich. should have to vote again. Hillary got alot of votes in Michigan because her name was the only one on the ballot. That would be unfair to seat those delegates. Also both candidates should be allowed to campaign in those states before the vote. Counting those delegates otherwise would be sleazy. It's those two states faults for breaking the rules anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 02/09/2008
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Tuesday was a PROFOUND victory for Obama. Perceptions matter, and Obama won the expectations race. This is self evident as the Clintonians concede the lead to Obama and declare him the "establishment" candidate.

Obama and Clinton split the delegates right down the middle.

The front runner title is a hazard, it must be defended, and Clinton did not manage it. She trailed Obama by a tenth of a percent.

The Clintonian narrative of inevitability is utterly shattered. It was a double edged sword and has come back to wound Clinton, perhaps fatally.

Meanwhile, Obama was able to deliver on his narrative of momentum, hugely so. And consider his fundraising numbers for this year. There is no way anybody can rationally claim that Obama does not have the advantage at this time, and that Clinton looks to be going down to defeat.

I don"t assert that there is anything evil or ugly about trying to convince the world that your nomination is inevitable. It is the natural thing to do, to try to be seen as the prohibitive favorite. But it has come back to bite Clinton in the ass.

And no, the purpose of this post is not to "bring people together" it is to argue that Obama is now the front runner, and that he is the victor of Tuesday"s contests.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:53 AM on 02/09/2008

Morons,
Hillary Clinton is leading in New Mexico.
AP is just posting unconfirmed figures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 AM on 02/09/2008

Democratic Delegates " Delegates won: Feb. 5 Total 2,025 needed

Hillary Rodham Clinton 687
Barack Obama 608


Republican Delegates " Delegates won: Feb. 5 Total 1,191 needed
John McCain 606
Mike Huckabee 152
Ron Paul 5 5

N.B:
The Super Delegates are not included.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/politics/index.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1202562859-KTaKrKBFhUbqRAiIBXQSEg

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 02/09/2008

How was obamas victory "profound" LOL you are not living in reality. Obamas wins were in states that don't matter for the Democrat to win the presidency, he was trounced in the states that count. After the blitzkreig from the media, the kennedys, and oprah waging war against Hillary, HILLARY WON in ALL the States that COUNT in a GENERAL. And if you really believe that Hillary wont get obamas voters in a General, your speaking for a very small percentage of the party. But Obama will not receive the Latino and other ethnic vote, they will go for MCCain.

NON BIAS DELEGATE COUNT.

http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/delegates/index.html

VOTE FOR HILLARY! DONATE TO HILLARY HILLARYCLINTON.COM

VOTE FOR YOUR COUNTRY, NOT YOUR IMAGINATION.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 02/09/2008

After this election is over, the DNC must change the rules. There should be no super delegate assigned until after the process. The super delegates are influencing the election, which is not what the party intended when it created the super delegates. Hillary Clinton had well over 200 super delegates even before Obama decided to run, she captured the votes many or all the black delegates and won't give them back.

Again there should be no know count of super delegates before the convention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 02/09/2008

I will be a Super Delegate in 2016, so Barack Obama should chill till his time comes in 2016 and I will endorse him.:)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 02/09/2008
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