The Clintons: A Case Study In Money And Politics

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First Posted: 02- 9-08 10:31 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Hillary Clinton's ability to loan her presidential campaign $5 million demonstrates how extraordinarily lucrative the post-White House years have been for the former First Lady and her husband.

While Clinton campaign aides are quick to point out that Mrs. Clinton could easily cover the loan from the $9.2 million she made in royalties from her bestselling book Living History, she made the loan by writing a check on a joint banking account she and her husband maintain, according to her staff.

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contributed less than a fifth of the money that the Clintons have earned over the seven years between 2001 and 2006, as documented in Mrs. Clinton's United States Senate and presidential financial disclosure reports -- a sum in excess of $45 million, not including the couple's earnings in 2007 or 2008.

The Clintons have become a case study in the interrelationship of money and politics, a relationship steadily strengthening in scope and magnitude.

A look at Hillary Clinton's financial disclosure reports over the last six years reveals the benefits available to those who hold high public office. Bill Clinton, for example, has become a political ATM, pumping as much as or more than $10 million a year into their joint account.

Some of the cash flow is fully documented in the disclosure reports, including payments of $150,000 to $400,000 for each of the 30 or so speeches Bill Clinton gives annually, for a six-year total of $39.1 million. In 2006 alone, Bill Clinton gave 57 paid speeches for a total of $10.15 million in a wide range of cities - including New York, Chicago, Cleveland, Las Vegas and Denver - and in several countries, among them Denmark, England, Germany, Ireland, Finland, New Zealand and Australia.

Other of the Clinton's income sources are far more difficult to ascertain -- for instance, the flow of cash from billionaire investor Ron Burkle and his Yucaipa companies.

In each of Senator Clinton's past four disclosure statements - 2003-2006 -- there is a line item that reveals only that Bill Clinton received "guaranteed payments to partner" of "over $1,000" from Burkle's Yucaipa.

The disclosure forms do not explain what the guarantee is, and they leave to the imagination how much over $1,000 the annual amounts are. President Clinton, according to news accounts, has helped Burkle in his business dealings.

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In her financial disclosure statements, Hillary Clinton lists two seemingly modest investments in Burkle companies, under the category of "Non-Publicly Traded Assets and Unearned Income Sources." One investment in Yucaipa Global Holding is described as worth less than $1,000, while producing interest income of $200 to $1,000 annually. The other, in the Yucaipa Global Partnership Fund, is also listed as being worth less than $1,000, while producing interest payments of $1,000 to $2,500 a year.

Except for honoraria, which must be described in detail, federal disclosure requirements are much more stringent for the elected official than for his or her spouse. The forms declare: "For your spouse, report the source (name and address) and the type of earned income which aggregate $1,000 or more during the reporting period. No amount needs to be specified for your spouse."

Bill Clinton's financial ties to the Yucaipa Companies were first made public on April 11, 2002, when the firm issued a press release announcing that Clinton "will provide counsel to Yucaipa and its investment funds including the Yucaipa American Fund (YAF) and the Yucaipa Corporate Initiative Fund (YCIF). Mr. Clinton will participate in events related to the funds and provide advice in the development of potential investments....Ron Burkle, managing partner of The Yucaipa Companies, said, 'We are proud that President Clinton will serve as a Senior Advisor to our firm.'"

In April 2008, the New York Times reported that


"After leaving the White House in 2001, former President Bill Clinton was inundated with business and job offers, from investment-bank partnerships to seats on corporate boards. He turned them all down, with one exception: He agreed to be an adviser to a family of funds run by the Yucaipa Companies, a California private equity firm controlled by one of his best friends, the billionaire Ronald W. Burkle."

Neither the campaign nor aides to Bill Clinton would provide specific information as to how Bill Clinton is compensated for services he provides to Burkle. Frank Quintero, a Yucaipa spokesman, referred questions to the Clinton campaign.

"The Senator reports all disclosable financial information," Howard Wolfson, Hillary Clinton's communications director, responded in an emailed reply to a series of questions from The Huffington Post.

Matt McKenna, Bill Clinton's press secretary, wrote: "My understanding is Howard answered your Qs. Hope you got everything you needed. Please direct follow-ups on this issue to him."

The former president is said to be currently negotiating an end to his financial relationship with Burkle, in order to avoid conflicts of interest if his wife should become president. The settlement will result in the payment of a substantial sum - the Wall Street Journal reported on January 22 that the figure will be in the $20 million range - but aides to both Bill and Hillary Clinton are unwilling to shed any light on this matter.

Wolfson, referring to the WSJ story, said, "Contrary to published reports, neither the level of President Clinton's compensation for his advisory role, nor the value of his partnership share in the Yucaipa global fund upon his exit, has been determined."

In December, Douglas J. Band, a spokesman for Bill Clinton, told The Huffington Post that the former president "anticipates continuing his business relationships as long as they permit him to devote time to his highest priorities - the work of his foundation and supporting his wife's candidacy. He of course is taking steps now to ensure that should she receive the nomination, there will be an appropriate transition for those relationships."

There are a number of reasons the Yucaipa ties could prove embarrassing to the Clintons.

Bloomberg News on December 17 reported that three of the Yucaipa funds are registered in the Cayman Islands. Senator Clinton, in 2004, declared that she intended to close tax loopholes for "people who create a mailbox, or a drop, or send one person to sit on the beach in some island paradise and claim that it is their offshore headquarters."

Along similar lines, the WSJ's January 22 story pointed out that Clinton has an interest in Yucaipa Global Partnership Fund, making him a partner with the Dubai Investment Group, "an entity connected to the ruler of Dubai, Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al-Maktoum." Senator Clinton, according to the WSJ, had separately raised questions about investment funds controlled by foreign governments, because the funds "could be used by foreign governments as 'instruments of foreign policy."

On a much broader scale, Bill Clinton's involvement with the Yucaipa funds raises a basic ethical question for Hillary Clinton, both in connection with her presidential bid and in connection with her service in the U.S. Senate: The purpose in hiring Bill Clinton is to use the connections he had made as President to gain access and to make lucrative deals -- a commonplace but controversial practice regarding former officeholders, a practice with little or no public support - and the money made from these activities in the Clintons' case becomes part of Bill and Hillary's jointly held assets, according to Senator Clinton's communications director.

In other words, money from Yucaipa and the interests it deals with - running the gamut from public employee pension funds to supermarket chains to the Dubai Investment Group - is directly benefiting Hillary Clinton, an incumbent politician charged with voting on issues crucially important to the profits of Yucaipa, its clients, partners and investors.

Hillary Clinton's ability to loan her presidential campaign $5 million demonstrates how extraordinarily lucrative the post-White House years have been for the former First Lady and her husband. While...
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- Mahavishnu I'm a Fan of Mahavishnu 3 fans permalink

Sun Endorsement:
"Mrs. Clinton told us she would be "ready on Day One" to lead decisively, and indeed, her experience is one of her most appealing attributes. But her years of sparring with conservative adversaries have left her bruised and unpopular with many Americans." ***************************** The right-wing hate machine has won! And congrats to Obama fans- you have helped it happen. You have helped show that ignorant hatred is an effective political tool. Be very careful for what you have prayed for.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 02/10/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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It's intelligent hatred, get it right!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/10/2008
- mageduley I'm a Fan of mageduley 4 fans permalink

Ignorant Hatred? Come on. The Clinton's were really persecuted in the 90's. No doubt about it. But their actions in this campaign to date and the actions of bill post presidency are fair to be checked. I don't know about you, but I really don't want the Clintons (yes both of them) to be president with their persecution complex they've developed from years of investigation. Even the group MoveOn which was created specifically to advocate on Bill's behalf during the bogus impeachment is now endorsing OBAMA. Why?????? Because of their actions post presidency and DURING THIS CAMPAIGN
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/opinion/10rich.html?ref=opinion

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Mahavishnu, not wanting Mrs. Bill Clinton to be president has nothing to do with ignorance or hatred. The Bushes and Clintons have ruled America for 20 years on behalf of profiteering corporations. It is time to return the nation to the people by the legitimate means of democracy.

Hillary is Mrs. Bill Clinton. She personifies the Washington establishment, gridlocked, status quo. Enough of it. We need change. No more Clintons or Bushes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:29 PM on 02/10/2008
- Mahavishnu I'm a Fan of Mahavishnu 3 fans permalink

Surprising. Not! Another hit piece on the Clintons that even admits it has no evidence of wrongdoing. But, by innuendo and character assassination it connects the dots anyway. Why is it the Clintons have to do things no other candidates have to do? Anything factual at all in the story is based upon the Clintons publicly disclosed finances. Have the Clintons honored every financial disclosure rule there is? Yes. Enough said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 02/10/2008
- KPinSEA I'm a Fan of KPinSEA 11 fans permalink

But if you hold yourself out as an agent of change ... if you want to build the confidence of an electorate whose confidence in our system has been traumatized by years of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. ... then don't you have to go beyond the mere letter of the current law and provide the greatest possible transparency?

If you want to claim that you're really a different kind of candidate ... then you have to walk that walk all the way to the White House, not promise to start walking it once you get there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/10/2008

Mahavishnu, because they continue to do less than honorable deeds.

They have publically abandoned the African American vote to pander to the Hispanic vote (See Frank Rich in New York Times this morning) "But the wholesale substitution of Hispanics for blacks on the Hallmark show is tainted by a creepy racial back story.."

Now there is a current politically motivated deed. So ask yourself why do the Clintons do these things?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/10/2008
- mageduley I'm a Fan of mageduley 4 fans permalink

OK... how about connecting these dots.

The Bushes are as corrupt as they come.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20commence.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=Milestones%3A+Hillary+Clinton&st=nyt&oref=slogin
Bill does do a lot of philanthropic work. Especially with Daddy Bush:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/PersonOfWeek/story?id=1446477

Clinton and the elder Bush, rivals in the 1992 presidential election, have grown chummy in recent years, often traveling and appearing at public events together. In 2005, they started a charity to help victims of Hurricane Katrina.

They are happy together
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/13/100701.shtml

Bill even said his old friend would help hillary get elected - though the screaming from the right stopped it
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/18/bill-clinton-george-hw-bush-will-help-president-hillary/

So I ask you. WHO IS GOING TO HOLD DUBYA ACCOUNTABLE FOR WAR CRIMES?????????

It would be kind of hard to indict your best friends son, wouldn't it. I smell obstruction of investigations and pardons on the horizon.

Oooh I forgot this one. Besides the close friendship the Clintons have with the sheriff that blocked poor katrina refugees from crossing over into a more affluent parish "citing criminal concerns" the end of this article mentions how much George HW values Bills friendship, saying he'd like more time to play golf

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Mahavishnu,

You are intentionally spreading misinformation. The Clintons have not released their tax returns, or the donor lists for the murky Clinton Foundation. If the Clinton finances and relationshisp with donors were on the up and up,if there was nothing to hide, they would relase the information.

The Clintons are dishonest, and people who pay attention know this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 02/10/2008

I find the amount of money accumulated by the Clinton's inconsequential. If they were really corrupt, they would have 10 or 20 times that amount. They are reported to be worth between 5 and 20 million. In todays net worth times, that is PUNY compared to other politicians. If corruption were their goal, that amount would be hundreds of millions, not between 5 and 20 million. Huffinton and many other media outlets are beyond the pale in attacking the Clintons for nothing. Please tell me if a pair of Yale law school graduates, one an ex President and another a US Senator is worth what they are worth even put Mrs Clinton in the top 50 of net worth of other US Senators, yet alone US Presidents.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 02/10/2008

Alibe - the magic is in how the money is reported... look at the bottom of the disclosure, it states 'less than $1,000' from Ron Burkle.

Bio (from Wiki) Ronald W. Burkle (b. November 12, 1952 in Pomona, California) is a Los Angeles based billionaire with roots in the supermarket industry and personal wealth estimated to exceed US$3.5 billion.[1] He founded The Yucaipa Companies, a Los Angeles-based private equity firm, in 1986.

Bill Clinton works for Burkle and may even have a membership interest (for percentage of profit sharing) in Burkle's companies.

The money Bill is making here is disguised as $1,000 or more. In reality it is millions, and more millions to his library where all this money is CO-MINGLED with Hillary which is why she never divorced him. It is all about money.

Oh don't forget the $31 Million dropped in Bill's lap this past month by a dictator. Here is the story:

"Bill Clinton helps a Canadian mining magnate win a lucrative uranium contract from Kazakhstan's state-owned nuclear holding company Kazatomprom. The magnate subsequently donates $31 million to the William J. Clinton Foundation and pledges $100 million more. Both men deny it until the New York Times tracks down a very happy Kazatomprom executive. Amid this revelation, Hillary Clinton is trying to conduct a presidential campaign."

The legal terms are easy don't glaze over, what is his is hers (absent contractual agreements which may likely exist) however she has the Bill "ATM" machine.

Finally since Romney funded his own campaign why is it that Hillar loaned her money rather than donate it then on day one 35,000 of her richest supporters maxed out their donations.

On those same few days Obama raised $7.2 Million from over 350,000 individuals.

He raised $32 Million alone in January.

It is all about the money, follow the money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Alibe, it is clear that your values nicely align with the Clintons.

But some Americans want a president with integrity. Something we have not had in the long Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton era.

By many estimates the Clinton wealth is well over $100 million and much if it ill-gotten.

But many Americans don't care about how much money they have. They don't measure success in dollars. They care about the Clintons being honest and accountable.

If the Clintons had nothing to hide, they would release the information.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/10/2008
- Trace8089 I'm a Fan of Trace8089 2 fans permalink

When will someone ask? Who is Pappy Bush doing business with? Who is using Pappy Bush's connections for business deals. Why nobody looks into Pappy's pardons. Like one of the largest heroin dealers in the world. Did Pappy have anything to do with the cia and cocaine, missiles to Iran How much money has the Bush family made on the Wars their prick of a son started?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 02/10/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 11 fans permalink
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Yes, I'd love to know how much Poppy Bush is making, but on the other hand, he's a republican, so I fully expect him and the rest of the greed party to be all about the money: getting theirs and taking yours. Hell, Dick Cheney continues to make money from Halliburton while in office.

The Clintons, by contrast, are democrats, in name at least. That's my party, so I care about how they make their money, especially while one of them is in office. So for the same reason that I think it's despicable for Sen. Feinstein to be voting on projects that make her husband millions, I want to know how Bill Clinton is making money that Hillary is using in her campaign. (If I were a Hillary supporter, I think I'd also want to know why she's LOANING herself the money, while expecting everyone else to just DONATE it to her.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/10/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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Good point. The time would be better spent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Is Poppy Bush running for president? Bill and Hillary are, and want us to put them back in the White House so they can sell more influence.

Hillary supporters always defend her by saying but but but the Bushes are worse.

The Bushes and the Clintons are the same. The only difference is the technicality of party registration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/10/2008

BALTIMORE SUN ENDORSES BARACK OBAMA ...

Sun endorsement: Betting on change, reform
February 10, 2008

George W. Bush's presidency can't end soon enough. ...

When Marylanders vote in Tuesday's presidential primary, both Democratic choices are promising a new political era for this century, and each has the intellect and the skills to deliver. ... Barack Obama ... offers a more compelling vision for the country that he would lead. He wants to forge a new reality in Washington where consensus replaces confrontation. ...

That's why The Sun strongly endorses Mr. Obama as the Democratic nominee for president.

When Mr. Obama promises change, surprising numbers find the pledge credible. Despite his few years in the Senate, Mr. Obama exudes confidence and assesses the nation's problems with a fresh eye. When questioned by us on a number of tough issues, he showed a sophisticated understanding of them. His opposition to the war has been steady, and while committed to an early withdrawal from Iraq, Mr. Obama recognizes the challenges to that course. ...

As the first African-American president, he would deliver on America's promise that there is no barrier to success.

Mr. Obama is a powerfully inspirational speaker, engaging listeners with energy and warmth as he describes his goals. That's the essence of leadership. His conversations feel more heartfelt than calculating, which reminds us of President John F. Kennedy.

... His promises to work across party lines may favor hope over reality, and the same might be said of his plans to reach out around the world.

Mrs. Clinton told us she would be "ready on Day One" to lead decisively, and indeed, her experience is one of her most appealing attributes. But her years of sparring with conservative adversaries have left her bruised and unpopular with many Americans. Mr. Obama is more likely to turn the page to a new era and deliver real change that is urgently needed to deal with the nation's economic, social and political problems. ...


Copyright © 2008, The Baltimore Sun

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:57 AM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

MartinEdwinAndersen, thanks for posting. This is huge. Will the Washigton Post endorse for the primary?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 02/10/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1679 fans permalink
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I voted for Obama in California and I continue to donate time to his campaign.

The above said, this article is just a hit piece on the Clintons.

Were you sincere in informing us of the activities of our ex-Presidents, you would them to the activities of other recent Presidents, such as Bush 41 and Reagan.

Mr. Edsall, shame on you. You belong in the Rove block of the Republican party.

I am sick of this kind of politics, and hopeful that if Obama gets elected, he would would want to have nothing to do with the likes of you, Mr. Edsall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/10/2008
- LDW I'm a Fan of LDW 5 fans permalink

Yes, this is a hit piece on the Clintons. One amongst many. And Obamites will undoubtedly post here with comments that make Edsall's column look downright complimentary in comparison.
But these Obamites should think about the fact that their own words will be turned against Obama, should he win the nomination.
Even the Obama campaign is remarkably short-sighted. Take their 'Harry & Louise' attack ads against Hillary's healthcare reform package, for example, which demonize mandates. Any thorough analysis of universal healthcare that I've read concludes that only single payer or mandated participation will cover everyone. Should Obama become president, his own campaign materials and promises will be used by the insurance/medical/drug lobbies to defeat his healthcare reform, and Hope won’t Change that!
Obama has a relatively short political career, compared with Hillary, but if any old-style-pol aspects of her life continue to be portrayed by Obamites as the furthest reaches of Evil, what will the Democrats have to say when the old-style-pol aspects of the Obamas are finally the focus of the Repub slime machine and the MSM?
Obama's speeches are high-flying rhetoric, and his smile is very photogenic, but his rise to office of Senator is replete with dirty campaign tactics, shady political contributors, and shameless self aggrandizement
Try Googling, “Obama + Alice Palmer”, “Treehouse Foods + Michelle Obama + WalMart” or “Rezko + Obama” or “University of Chicago Hospitals + Obama”. And before you post back saying that any slimy attack concerning these ‘scandals’ amounts to nothing more than exaggerations and lies, go back and apply the same standards to what you read and say about the Clintons. The standards and tone you set in this debate will come back to haunt you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 02/10/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1679 fans permalink
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Now you are doing the same as Edsall. You can support Hillary without trashing Obama. Believe me, it is not that difficult to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 02/10/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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Here , here! I say the same as Hume. It won't stop if she gets nominated though. It won't stop for at least four years!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/10/2008
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HumeSkeptic, I would like to respectfully add President Carter to your list of ex-presidents for examination, as a possible role model of what an ex-president should look like.

I say possible in the sense that I'm aware of his charity work and foreign negotiations when asked to do so by a sitting president. But that's it.

Personally, I don't know how well I can handle BCBC. It simply gives me shivers - which is why I'm supporting Obama as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 02/10/2008

After eight years of this bunch you dare suddenly become worried about ethical?
Keep it up, stir the shit, and watch the same happen when you succeed in electing John McCain. Hillary is not the devil, Obama is not the savior and this blog does not need to be reading articles so lacking in substantive facts. Gee I wonder where the professor got the money to write this??? do you suppose????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/10/2008
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

wrensis --

You're avoiding the obvious -- why do the Clintons insist on waiting until AFTER the convention (and their presumed coronation) to make their tax returns public, and waiting until AFTER the November elections to release Lady Macbeth's WH papers (the ones gathering dust at the Clinton Library)?

What are they hiding? And more importantly -- why?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/10/2008
- Roose I'm a Fan of Roose 11 fans permalink

I just wish the Clintons would release their tax returns. You better believe that McCain's opposition research team is going to find all the skeletons. Better do it now, before the Republicans do it for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 02/10/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

Typically, we see the Tax returns from the party's nominee and we will. The Clintons are an open book. All the connections have been made, all the books have been examined ad nauseum. And we will get to do that again.
Why is it necessary to spin and speculate and try to tarnish them. Somebody must really not want to face Hillary cause she will wipe the floor with them ( neo-cons)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/10/2008
- LDW I'm a Fan of LDW 5 fans permalink

The Clintons releasing their tax returns will help nothing. A previous post in this thread says that the Clinton's estimated worth of $10-20 million is not accurate and that they are secretly worth more than $100 million. The truth has absolutely no importance to the Hillary Haters, because there is no fact so improbable that they can't it make up. Whatever is shown to be a positive aspect of the Clintons is called a lie, and whatever wild speculation and innuendo is circulating by malicious rumour mongers is declared Absolute Truth.
Hillary Haters are univerally simplistic-minded people. And the Obamites who think Obama is a saint are equally simplistic-minded. He's not a saint, and his history, if you look at it, proves this. I'm not saying he's evil, but my personal opinion is that he lacks the experience to be an effective President and also that his background and past choices would offer lots of material for a Republican slime machine to build on.
Further, if Obamites don't start forcefully denouncing the Hillary Haters, then when these same Hillary Hating standards are applied to Obama, how will they defend him and themselves. Obama will be hoist on his own petard.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/10/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 5 fans permalink

Yeah, she will be a GREAT agent of change, that is for sure...what we really need in the White House is a president who has business ties with foreign governments and corporations and billionaires and investment groups and tax evaders...oh wait, we already have that!

It is no wonder Bill and Hillary will stop at nothing to win this thing, I'm sure Bill has been given lots and lots of money in exchange for future favors from the White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 02/10/2008

Now we hear that Hillary will not release her tax returns until after she is the Democratic nominee--if that actually happens.

Why does she want to withhold such information from her fellow Democrats?

It seems pretty risky for the Democratic Party to nominate someone who will not level with it.

Why should we trust her? The Clintons don't exactly have reputations as truth tellers.

Diogenes would have given both a wide berth.

MARTIN EDWIN "MICK" ANDERSEN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 02/10/2008
- Kontessa I'm a Fan of Kontessa 9 fans permalink

I've been reading this long thread and it's filled with disgusting anti-Clinton, Obama hacks spewing smarmy comments.
What a bunch of lying-looser hypocrites Obama supporters have turned out to be. They're turned out to be the worst of the worst when it comes to malicious political attacks.
The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy can't begin to compare to the endless back-stabbing of the clintons done here by the Obama campaign's useful idiots.

Your precious little Barack better start getting down to specifics, I've heard enough long-winded bloviating from him now to last a lifetime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:01 AM on 02/10/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 5 fans permalink

Aww Kontessa, all that baseless spewing of lies with absolutely nothing to back it up, not one single example given. Oh, thats is because you don't have any. Talk about hypocrites.

And Obama has talked plenty of specifics, you just don't pay close enough attention. Of course if your precious Hillary says that he is light of specifics suddenly that makes it true huh? Truth is you are lazy. I know all of Obama's specifics, and I'm not a mindreader...so how do I know......oh yeah, I'm not ignorant and I actually pay attention!

I'm disgusted with the Clinton campaign and supporters resorting to GOP tactics with this "no specifics" crap when someone talks about things that can't fit into simple little soundbites, or when they mention a single thing about potential. I'd hope Democrats would be better than that given the Republicans always throw that bullshit at us, no matter how many specifics we produce. It is a classic example of repeating things enough times to try to make them true, just because you have nothing else.

Not to mention, every little policy statement she recites still has to get those through Congress, so none of her "specifics" will look anything like they do now when or if they get signed into law. So quit being naive with this whole policy business, because all of Hillary's repeating the same thing isn't going to get anything through Congress.

Not to mention she can't beat McCain anyway, so if we nominate her this won't even be an issue. Wake up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 02/10/2008
- mikonyc I'm a Fan of mikonyc 7 fans permalink

Cambio, dear, Kontessa is right on, Barack Hussein Obama supporters, better known as Obamacrats (they are definitely Democrats), spew the most vicious and disgusting lies. Furthermore, BHO has few specifics and where he has vague specifics, he is quite to the right of Senator Clinton, for example, on healthcare. Keep spewing the hate Obamacrats, and watch the Democratic party fall apart!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 02/10/2008
- Kontessa I'm a Fan of Kontessa 9 fans permalink

You've lost me and my support, Cambio.

Obama supporters have proven themselves to be much nastier and malicious than Clinton supporters have ever been about B.O.
Obama is supposed to walk on water and yet, here on HuffPo, his supporters are wallowing and writhing in the muck. What gives? After all this smearing of an opponent Barack better be damn near perfection, for the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy will be coming after him as soon as he wins that cattle call of a nomination.
Don't say I didn't warn you, smartasses.
In fact at this point, I doubt if you and your Obamabots will accept anything BUT an Obama nomination. His rabid supporters will probably tear the convention apart if they don't get way no matter how fair the selection process will be. I can smell blood in the water.
Oh ---- did you ever protest as loudly against the murders and crimes and corruption by the Bush regime for that past seven years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/10/2008

he has been talking policy all along and mind you i watched all 18 debates before you start arguing....you must be a bad listener

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 02/10/2008
- lastams I'm a Fan of lastams 57 fans permalink

Well you know some of us are a bit pissed off that THIS is what we're left with.
Back in 06, Progressives thought we had changed the face of a Nation and were going to have serious vocies of change in 08.
What we were left with is a congress that refuses to assume it's constitutional duties and three candidates that the corporate owned media decided were acceptable to the status quo.
(I know I left Huckabee out, but seriously now.)
I think the real watershed moment was when Edwards came in second in IOWA and was COMPLETELY ignored by the Media, including this post. NBC nightly news never mentioned Edwards once, not once on the entire broadcast, and this post ran one article about Edwards; and that was to comment that he hadn't congradulated Obama.
So it's not so much that we despise Clinton, it's just that we all have this feeling that we've somehow been sold a bill of goods by the DNC and the DLC.
Obama appears to be less connected to the establishment and big business, that's all.
Personally I've yet to see anything resembling a "malicious political attack" from Mr. Obama,
but one thing is certain, should Hillary get the nomination we'll be getting more than our fair share.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 02/10/2008
- ljsfolly I'm a Fan of ljsfolly 6 fans permalink

You must be a stockholder in the "company" or must love them a lot. Nothing was stated in this article that would even begin to suggest anything but the truth as it has been stated elsewhere. It has everything to do with what the republicans are holding themselves back from disclosing as the focus of what they plan to bring out if she wins the nomination. Not too many will believe this until/if this happens. You just happen to be one of the first to know their ammunition. Sad but true real issues the clintons will have to face now or later.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 02/10/2008
- ltfcrazy I'm a Fan of ltfcrazy 8 fans permalink
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If you haven't heard specifics go to his website and read them. He doesn't have the time or money to go through each issue on live TV.
We aren't all hating the Clintons. I loved Bill, he was a great leader and I still love the guy. That said, Hillary is not Bill...she said so herself. She has already failed at universal healthcare, Strike 1. She authorized Bush to start a war, Strike 2. The republicans will make more out of these stories than any Obama supporter like me because most of us could care less, Strike 3. She's out. It's not personal, it's politics as usual and we're sick of it.

Obama 08....and now for something completely different.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Well said. The Bushes and the Clintons are the past and the nation is moving on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:54 PM on 02/10/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

The Clintons are the most unprincipled people in politics today. Absolutely devoid of any character or moral compass. All they want to do is hold power. They don't care what they have to do or say to get it. Bill Clinton sees this as a referendum on his presidency, a chance for him to have a do-over after wasting his promise on sleaze and scandal. Democrats are ready to move forward to the 21st Century with a man of integrity like Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 02/10/2008

How about a case study of Obama getting a million dollar mansion at rock bottom price. This site is so full of shit with their one sided reporting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/10/2008
- ayc I'm a Fan of ayc 14 fans permalink

Not even comparable. Open your eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 02/10/2008

no AZDem you are the one that's full of shit!!! Money from dreams of my father is what he used to by the house and besides he makes 1 mill a year btw him and his wife so why a million dollar mansion off limits???? Compared to uranium money!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/10/2008
- mageduley I'm a Fan of mageduley 4 fans permalink

Obama has been honest about the mistake he made, and the fact that Rezko was trying to buy future influence with him. Obama declared, "I am the first one to acknowledge that it was a boneheaded move for me to purchase this 10-foot strip from Rezko, given that he was already under a cloud of concern. I will also acknowledge that from his perspective, he no doubt believed that by buying the piece of property next to me that he would, if not be doing me a favor, it would help strengthen our relationship." Obama"s mistake was in allowing the appearance of impropriety. He never actually did anything wrong. And that"s the key issue here.

Despite all of these rumors about Obama and Rezko, none of the evidence indicates any actual wrongdoing. Conservative Republican Tom Bevan called the evidence against Obama "pretty darn weak." Conor Clarke of the New Republic reported that Obama"s real estate deal with Rezko was a "nonscandal." According to Clarke, "journalists have followed the smoke and haven"t found the fire. At that point, accusing someone of something that looks wrong stops making sense."

Of course one boneheaded mistake when he was a young lawyer, and nothing but squeaky clean afterwards, will convince the Clinton people.
This is the only thing they can bring up. Talk about destrutive politics. I suppose you have to accuse your opponent of doing something that you are really guilty of yourself
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 02/10/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

Why do their supporters answer every question about the Clintons by attacking someone else? I think the Clintons are hiding the truth on their fiances until after the nomination, in hopes Democrats will support them anyway. It's scary. If they have nothing to hide, why don't they just release the information? Think about the party and the nation for once.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 02/10/2008
- riverhorse I'm a Fan of riverhorse 4 fans permalink

uneducated people like you really shouldn't be allowed to speak in public.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 02/10/2008
- jubo I'm a Fan of jubo 8 fans permalink
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... or breed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/10/2008
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The important issue about loaning your campaign money is not that the Clintons are now filthy rich but they were forced to dig into their pockets to keep them going.

We all saw what happened to Romney when he had to keep supplementing his campaign.

Now that it has been revealed that their campaign for the little people ran out of funds, we have to question where there support was coming from?

It is not a good sign when you run out of big $2,300 donors and cannot attract the small donations that Obama is getting.

I think we can safely conclude that Obama is the candidate for all the people not just major donors.

Last night we got a chance to see the two candidates make back-to-back speeches, Hillary was okay but rather bland, Obama was uplifting, inspiring and very presidential.

I am personally exhilarated by the prospect of an Obama presidency; he has taken me from my political complacency, when it looked like the race was between (twiddle de and twiddle dum) Hillary and McCain, to where I am now extremely enthusiastic about electing a true democrat for the first time since JFK.

Congratulations Obama on an incredible, impressive victory yesterday, hope is still alive and well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 02/10/2008
- JohnJames I'm a Fan of JohnJames 120 fans permalink

Die-hard Clintonites - Read Frank Rich's column in today's New York Times and weep. He makes an indisputable argument that the Clintons would rather tear the party in two before they lose to Obama. If that weren't already obvious. Is that the kind of candidate you really want to support? Not this Democrat, not any more.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 02/10/2008

Do you think we are going to support Obama?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/10/2008
- joja I'm a Fan of joja 12 fans permalink

So much for Lady Macbeth's claims about being an agent of "change."

The only thing she's an agent of, is division.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/10/2008
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