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2008 campaign, 2008 Elections, Clinton 2008, delegates, Hillary Clinton, party insiders, superdelegates

Clinton Has Lead With Party Insiders

STEPHEN OHLEMACHER and JIM KUHNHENN | February 10, 2008 09:44 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton retains her lead among suddenly critical Democratic Party insiders even as Barack Obama builds up his delegate margin with primary and caucus victories across the country, according to a survey by The Associated Press.

Of the 796 lawmakers, governors and party officials who are Democratic superdelegates, Clinton had 243 and Obama had 156. That edge was responsible for Clinton's overall advantage in the pursuit of delegates to secure the party's nomination for president. According to the AP's latest tally, Clinton has a total of 1,136 delegates and Obama has 1,108, following Obama's victory Sunday in Maine's caucuses. A candidate must get 2,025 delegates to capture the nomination.

The numbers illustrate not only the remarkable proximity between the two candidates, but also the extraordinary influence superdelegates could wield in determining who becomes the nominee. Both campaigns are aggressively pursuing superdelegates, trumpeting their endorsements the moment they are secured.

"I told my wife I'm probably going to be pretty popular for a couple months," chuckled Richard Ray, a superdelegate and president of the Georgia chapter of the AFL-CIO. Ray said he will remain undecided because the labor federation has made no endorsement.

"If they endorse, then I will, too," Ray said.

The national party has named about 720 of the 796 superdelegates. The remainder will be chosen at state party conventions in the spring and summer. AP reporters have interviewed 95 percent of the named delegates, with the most recent round of interviews taking place last week, after Super Tuesday.

For the first time since the AP began contacting superdelegates last fall, more than half of them _ 399 _ have endorsed a candidate. The remaining 320 or so delegates said they are either undecided or uncommitted, making them the subject of intense lobbying by both campaigns.

With Clinton and Obama trading wins and loses as the primary and caucus season unfolds, the role of the superdelegates has been magnified and is causing anxiety inside and outside the campaigns. If the current snapshot of the race holds, superdelegates could decide the nomination in favor of one candidate even if the other receives more votes in the party primaries and caucuses.

Donna Brazile, a top Democratic National Committee member and manager of Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign, said party elders have a role to play but said voters should lead the way.

"I don't want to superimpose my personal views; I want to reflect the will of the voters," she said Sunday, noting that as a superdelegate she is torn between Obama and Clinton. "Honestly, I don't want to decide this."

Obama himself weighed in Friday, telling reporters that voters should determine who superdelegates support, even as his campaign actively courted them.

"My strong belief is that if we end up with the most states and the most pledged delegates, and the most voters in the country, then it would be problematic for political insiders to overturn the judgment of the voters," he said. "I think that should be the guiding approach to determining who will be the nominee."

Clinton, speaking to reporters on Saturday, argued that superdelegates should make up their own minds and pointedly noted that Obama has the endorsements of superdelegates John Kerry and Edward Kennedy, both senators from Massachusetts, a state whose primary Clinton won.

"Superdelegates are by design supposed to exercise independent judgment," she said. "If Senator Obama and his campaign continue to push this position, which is to the contrary of what the definition of superdelegates has historically been, I will look forward to receiving the support of Senator Kerry and Senator Kennedy."

Unlike pledged delegates secured through a primary or a caucus, superdelegates can vote for whomever they choose, and they are not required to vote for the candidate they endorse. Indeed, some superdelegates who had endorsed other Democratic candidates have already switched to Clinton or Obama or are reconsidering their earlier choices.

Democratic superdelegate Christine "Roz" Samuels of Montclair, N.J., said she backed off her preference for Clinton after hearing former President Bill Clinton scoff at Obama's stance on the Iraq war.

"I'm disappointed in a few things that were said a few weeks ago by President Clinton," she said. "I'm going to have to revisit what I'm going to do between now and when we vote."

The Democratic Party introduced superdelegates to the nominating process after the 1980 election with the idea of giving a voice to elected officials and party elders who had a stake in who became the party's standard bearer. In 1984, Walter Mondale relied on superdelegates to distance himself from rival Gary Hart and secure the Democratic nomination. Mondale went on to lose to Ronald Reagan in the general election. Since then, the primaries and caucuses have determined the party's nominee without superdelegates making a difference.

As Democratic senators, both Clinton and Obama are superdelegates.

They now make up about 19 percent of the overall delegates. Obama and Clinton have vigorously lobbied them. Clinton has relied on her best surrogates, not the least of which is President Clinton. Former Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, who is co-chair of Obama's campaign, said he spends much of his time calling superdelegates and urging them to vote for Obama. "It could make the difference" for the nomination, he told South Dakota Public Broadcasting.

While the number of new commitments is growing, many superdelegates are still a hard sell.

"I truly am torn. We have two wonderful candidates," said Steve Achelpohl, chairman of the Nebraska Democratic party and a superdelegate. Clinton "has a backbone of steel," he said, and can reach across the aisle to get things done.

Obama is "the instrument of change."

"He's rallying our young people in a way that I've not seen in my lifetime," Achelpohl said. "He's a phenomenon. He's the next Jack Kennedy."

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Associated Press writers Christine Simmons, Beth Fouhy, Charles Babington, Jeffrey Gold and Shannon McCaffrey contributed to this report.

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How about being fair to the voters of Florida. These votes should count, and Hillary won them. Ditto for Michigan. As for Florida, Obama's name was on the ballot. All the screaming going on is to ensure Obama is the nominee. Sure we want a change from Bush. Republican candidates offer only more of the same. Obama, as does Hillary, offers change, but Obama hasn't presented a clear picture of how he will change America. His CHANGE is more "fill-in-your-own-version" blank, and if you listen to his words, his offered change comes with a big IF. The question I'd like the media to ask and Obama to answer is: After you have been in office four years, what will America be like? How, specifically, will America have changed?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:33 AM on 02/11/2008
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And also ask, since Both Kennedy and Kerry endorsed Obama, yet their State went to Hillary, as Super Delagates should they be obligated to vote for Hillary???
Is Obama trying to object and change the Rules so he gets another un-fair advantage like he said he had in Nevada?
Remember, he accused the Clinton's of wanting to change the Rules once they realized the Rules favored Obama... Obama certainly Failed that Character Test... And actually, the Clinton's had said the Rules were un-fair to the people Caucusing... Some got to stay on the Clock at work, while others had to take time off and go to a Caucus... Obama had been endorsed by the Service Workers Union who would allow their employees to Caucus while on the Clock...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 02/11/2008

The Super delegates are SUPER because they have given their time and $$$ and sweat and tears to the DEM party for years. They know that their responsibility is to vote for what is best for the USA and the DEMS. Super Delegates know REALITY, whereas so-called "educated" Obama voters only know the "vision" of the Rhetoric. Super delegates know that the "vision" will become the focus of the Repugs when Obama is nominated and it will then become clear that Obama is all BLOW and no show!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 AM on 02/11/2008
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Bill Clinton took over this country after Regan-Bush left it in tatters, after 12 years of disgusting repub. rule and policies. It is time, however, to move forward with new blood, new life, young, new dem. voters, who will vote for the next 50 years, most likely for dems. Do I think that the party insiders will blow it? Yes. The dems. chase their tails around and screw up, time and time again. I have said before, they enjoy being losers, weak, timid, foolish, and the repubs have a field day when the dems play into their nasty hands. Howard Dean had better think long and hard about what he wants to do because if there is a screw up, dems. will stay home and will not vote. If there is a mess, created by the dem party, they will lose and lose big-time, for decades to come. Repubs will rule the country forever.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 AM on 02/11/2008

It's misleading to say the Clinton's have a lead with party insiders. Hillary Clinton is leading with party members. Period. Obama's wins in red states and caucus states reflect a successful crossover campaign orchestrated by Karl Rove (read Time Magazine folks) to beat Hillary in the primary before she gets to the general election because he feels if she gets that far, she can't be beat. Republicans are voting in Dem primaries. They are voting for Obama because they know they can beat him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 AM on 02/11/2008

Since when can Republicans vote in the Democrat's primaries or caucuses? I believe that you must be a registered Democrat in most states. And yes, a dem would win in a dem primary, even in a red state, because it is a dem primary. No reps can win in dem primaries, that gets saved for the general. Do you need a refresher in Civics 101?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:43 AM on 02/11/2008

But just to add, yes, Obama is very beatable. Hillary is the formidable candidate and the dems need to wake up and stop acting like sheep

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 AM on 02/11/2008

President Bush came out tonight in support of the Clintons. Saying "I don"t think Bill is a racist", (talk about triangulation), and that "Obama has no experience". WAKE UP PEOPLE! The Repubs want the Clintons to get the nomination. It"s now CRYSTAL CLEAR! It"s obvious and shame on us if we can"t see them for what they are. Just because we"re paranoid of them, doesn"t mean they"re not manipulating us. The radio news reports (AP news) of the election is playing only Hillary sound bites, listen carefully. The Right control most of the Radio networks. It"s starting to NOT go their way, and their only hope of winning is to run against the Clintons. Don"t be stupid & fooled by Coulter, Limbaugh and the rest. They"re actually saying they"ll campaign for her. They know she"s their only shot. I like her, but no one will admit they"re voting for Bill. She feels like the safe bet, like when you play not to lose. But energizing the right and dividing us into red & blue is exactly what they want us to do. What we need is courage to change it all (she"ll be a part of it, but not front and center), to diffuse any power they have left. It will then be between new and really old, real change and another Bush. That we can win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 AM on 02/11/2008

"the rebublicans want the Clintons to get the nomination" because they think they can beat her more easily. Okay sure..We are supposed to believe that they WANT to run against a candidate that they have NEVER been able to take down, no matter what charges they alledge against her. Right..Put down the Kool-Aide. They are itching to take on an inexperieced candidate that has never been in the sights of one of the Republican BS broadsides, thinking he will crack under the pressure. And maybe he wont..problem is we cant be sure of that, until it happens. And it WILL if he gets the nomination. Say what you want about HRC but she has a tried and true "backbone of steel" when it comes to republican attacks, and that IS important to consider.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 02/11/2008
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As a 38 year Democrat, I'm already pretty pissed. Our votes brought in a Democratic Congress to end this damn war and what do we get from our leadership but a bunch of empty threats followed by serial retreat. Now I hear rumblings of a possible super delegate coup to install a candidate regardless of the popular will of us peasants. I am an Obama supporter. If Hillary Clinton wins fair and square, I can accept that. However, If it turns out she is installed by the enlightened ones in some back room deal, I will not vote for her and I will be out of the party for good.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 AM on 02/11/2008

Here, here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 AM on 02/11/2008

If you stop to think for a moment, a good part of the super-delegates are directly elected by the people, Gov and the Dem Congressional delegation. The State Dem Party Chair and Vice Chair and the DNC Committee People are elected by the participating Democratic Party members of that State. These people seem pretty much elected?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/11/2008

In 2000, Al Gore lost to Bush despite his lead in popular vote, as Bush was declared to have more electoral votes counting in Florida's disputed vote. That was general election. Now, similar illogical thing is likely to happen, if Hillary narrowly looses to Obama in delegate count by the overriding super delegate count. Dona Brazil expressed her dissatisfaction about it, as all indications are that she is a supporter of Obama. She was campaign manager for Al gore, and it does not appear that she took the issue that seriously (to the extent that she would leave the democratic party if super delegates dictate), soon after Al Gore's loss. The fact is rules are rules, and they can not be changed in the middle of the game. Of course, for future elections, the criticism has to be given serious thought, and necessary changes must be made. My suggestion would be to do away with the even the caucuses and delegates, and the national office like that of president must be filled by purely popular vote not paying much attention to the demographics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 PM on 02/10/2008
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Why do states even bother to go to the expense of holding primary elections if the Democratic Party has given itself the authority to TOTALLY FUCKING SUBVERT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:49 PM on 02/10/2008

In the past few days Hillary Clinton (now again being referenced as Hillary Rodham Clinton..what's that about?) has broken even in super Tuesday, loaned $5m to her campaign, lost all states over the weekend and fired her campaign manager. If you want to know how she will perform as president, look at how she has managed her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 PM on 02/10/2008

i TAKE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT THAT HILLARY ACTUALLY REPLACED HER CAMPAIGN MANAGER, IT'S ALL A PLOY. IT'S JUST ANOTHER VERSION OF THE RACIST CARD. THE POOR WOMAN LOOKS SHELL SHOCKED AND BURNT OUT JUST STARTING OUT. IF YOU TOOK A BLACK HISTORY COURSE IN THE LATE 1960'S, CHANCES ARE YOU PROBABLY WERE REQUIERD TO READ A BOOK BY A BLACK AUTHOR, ENTITLED "THE SPOOK WHO SAT BY THE DOOR." MAGGIE IS A COMPETANT AND CAPABLE STAFF DIRECTOR BUT IN A DESPARATE ATTEMPT TO GET BLACK SYMPATHY HILLARY IS USING HER AS VISIBLE TOKEN JUST LIKE AGENCY AND OFFICE BOOES ALWAYS LIKE TO PUT THE DESK OF THE TOKEN BLACK STAFFER UP FRONT BY THE DOOR SO EVERYONE COULD SEE HOW PROGRESSIVE AND OPEN MINDED THEY WERE. GOOD GOD, IS ANYTHING SACRED TO THIS WOMEN. IT'S ALL GREEK TRAGEDY
FOR HILLARY FROM HERE ON.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 AM on 02/11/2008
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sebocd... Maybe if you figured out how to unlock your Cap Key and stopped "shouting" someone might think you worth reading???
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Obama claims (Lies) that there is ONE AMERICA... Then appeals to Black America, Black Voters, and has played the Race/Skin Color Card, numerous times... Michelle Obama played to race, implying unless Blacks voted for a Black President, they were asleep... Oprah played to race, when she made it about a Black President, etc...
The MSM may portray Obama as a second MLK, Jr, but basically he is in my opinion, a Racist with black skin... He wants to be the First Black President... I want a President, regardless of skin color, gender, or sexual preference...
Can NOT white skinned (or any other skin color), Men, or Women, care genuinely about Equality? Can only Women believe in Equality Feminism... Are not Men allowed to fully endorse Equality Feminism... Equality, regardless of skin color, gender, or sexual preference...
Should we rate the Loyalty of "Obama's" supposed Black Voters/ Black Americans, by the darkness of their skin... What does the color of their skin have to do with their vote... Is there Ballots for Republicans, Democrats, Independents and now Blacks???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:53 AM on 02/11/2008

Folks, Hillary is the chosen one. The beauty of this contest is how, despite overwhelming popular support for Obama, she will be the candidate, and the hypocrisy of your party will shine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 02/10/2008

So she lead with the "insiders" - the same people who have tells that "impeachment is not on the table". Which was the very thing we elected Democrats to do in 2006.

Any wonder why I do not trust Ms. Clinton?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 PM on 02/10/2008

Because of her command of the English language, or something else?
More Obama Kool-Aid, please...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 02/10/2008
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And you are so perfect that you can belittle others?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 02/11/2008

Fascinating how, if you don't pledge allegiance to the flag of Obama, you're now not a real Democrat.

Man, oh man, haven't we had enough of that for the past eight years?

Many of us who have actually been involved on the ground with the party for the past 30+ years (as opposed to just taking part online in the past 8 months) think there's a big difference between speechifying and actual policy proposals. It's about more than the persona of the candidate, folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 02/10/2008
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Hey, great job you folks have been doing for the past 30+ years. Just fantastic stuff, really. Really.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 02/10/2008

Welcome to politics! Helpful hint: Don't pin all your dearest hopes to anyone. If you're actually going to be involved (as opposed to just posting), be sure you have a clear head and don't expect a savior. Politics is the art of the possible. Anyone who promises more than that is either naive or lying.
Best of luck!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 02/10/2008

Your comment has no relevancy to the article. If you don't know anything about Obama's policy proposals, BTW, you aren't trying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 02/10/2008

I dont know about that, the media coverage of both candidates has been rather high on fluff and low on substance. I have very rarely seen anything on the news that covers the specifics of either candidates proposals. The media is too busy covering the stupid, non issues ( which in this election season are too numerous to list all examples here) that bring in ratings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/11/2008
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Indeed it is about more than the persona of the candidate. It's about a rational mind and an expansive intellect. If you care to find out Obama's policy proposals, perhaps you should watch a debate, or read them on his website.

You/we see what you/we want to see. If you have been on the ground for 30+ years, then you are infinitely aware of the voter apathy that has plagued our country for at least as many years. Particularly absent from the democratic process have been younger voters. This is part of the reason we're in the fix that we're in: Americans have slept as corporations have gotten such a stranglehold on our democracy, we may never recover. And you wish to deride the enthusiasm and idealism you're seeing in the Obama supporters? Set them straight when they cross the line (and many do on both sides). But don't imply that Obama's candidacy is any less substantial than Clinton's. They are two very smart and capable people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 PM on 02/10/2008

Check the stats seekerone, the younger voters have been the smallest voting block in EVERY primary so far. This weekend in Louisiana they were only 10% of the total vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 AM on 02/11/2008

That, my friend, is the nature of change. Out with the old, and in with the new.

It's a shame your deaf to what he's saying and trying to denigrate him.

His health care reform is actually palatable, more realistic, and more likely to occur that Hillary's.

Can you imagine Hillary's plan in action? If you decide that the big 7 insurers are STILL ripping you off and decide to stop paying, in that serious illness or injury will still result you financial ruin, the government will garnish your wages.

Forcing every american, by law, to sign up with the companies who actually EMBODY the health care crisis is just ridiculus, and would ONLY EVER be suggested someone who recieves more money from them than any other politician in the entire US government other than George Bush.

Foreign policy wise? Hillary supported war with Iraq, Iran, and Lebanon, while chiding Obama for his statement regarding using diplomacy with the Iranians and going into the uncontrolled border areas of Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden.

Well, Iraq was a total debacle on her part. Nuff said. Iran? after the ENTIRE US intelligence community came to the conclusion that Iran has no nuke program, suddenly Hillary ceased the ridiculus saber rattling ( with her buddies Bush and Lieberman) and started, Gasp!!!, parroting Obama again, saying that Pakistan is now the greatest threat we face.


And hey, he's not only objectively CORRECT on the most important of subjects, but inspiring when he speaks as well. Don't hold it against him just because (through no fault of his own) that makes Hillary look REALLY bad in comparison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:44 AM on 02/11/2008

Sure, Hillary may lead with "the party insiders," but Barack leads by a wide margin with Oprah, Dr. Phil, and all their followers!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 PM on 02/10/2008

Obama Has Lead With We The People!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 02/10/2008

Unfortunately, Clinton has the support of the K Street lobbyists and the health care/insurance complex. The party insiders have done little for this country recently.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 AM on 02/11/2008

I wish people would ask themselves; -If HRC has the support of the very industry she plans to restructure (some say decimate), and cap profits on, then is it possible that there is really somthing to her health care plan? The health care/insurance industry has a pretty good vantage point from which to judge what will and what will NOT work as far as health care reform, number 1, and numer 2; we are REALLY going to need that support from inside the health care industry to accomplish ANY reform in an expedient manner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/11/2008

If the insiders go against the WILL of the Party regulars, the backlash will destroy the party. The Super Delegates better pay attention to the caucuses and primaries or else they won't have a party to rule over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 PM on 02/10/2008

You had better believe that! I will quit in an instant and become an Independent! I would NEVER vote for Hillary!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:23 PM on 02/10/2008

The "Insiders" you speak of are also a member of the party with full voting rights. They have the same right to vote as every, single one of us, and to suggest otherwise would be extremely mis-guided. Both Barack and Hillary are entitled to vie for the super-delegates vote, and both are courting them to the hilt. Yes, she has been in Washington longer, and the supers are more familiar with her work, and she has built conections with more of them over the years, but isnt that point the whole "experience" argument?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 02/11/2008
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