Krugman Claims Obama Supporters Are Cult-Like

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First Posted: 02-11-08 09:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that was going to take shape. It should have occurred to me: Paul Krugman was going to manufacture it!

In a long screed in this morning's New York Times, Krugman fulminates far and wide on the sins of the Obama camp. "I won't try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody." He believes that the Obama campaign is "dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. (Oh, really?) He finds it "saddening" how "many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of 'Clinton rules'" which is, "the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent."

Well, it's a good thing he's not faking evenhandedness here! Krugman makes a lot of bold claims, and then fails to substantiate every single one of them. As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him. Frankly, he fails to pull off the whole "cult of personality" charge as well, but my wife, having earned a deep dislike of chanted mantras from her work at elementary school, finds the constant "Yes we can!" refrain deeply grating, so I'm happy to sympathize with Krugman on that point.

The only thing that passes for evidence in Krugman's piece is "the way the press covered Whitewater" back in the 1990s, and the recent remarks of David Shuster - who a) is not a member of the Obama camp, b) was punished swiftly for his remarks, and c) hardly represents the tip of the iceberg of unfair Clinton commentary on MSNBC, which d) has not escaped the attention of the press or similarly aggrieved protesters. Clinton has, admittedly, more than her fair share of nemeses among those who cover the news - Chris Matthews and Bill Kristol come most clearest to the mind. But by and large, their enmity was in place long before Barack Obama arrived on the scene and emerges independently of the Obama campaign's actions. What's more, should Obama quit the scene today, those who bare their anti-Clinton bias are not likely to ease up.

In short, a strong case can be made that Clinton's been roughly treated by the press. The case that cannot be made is that the Obama campaign is culpable for this treatment. The fact of the matter is, the Obama campaign has already been famously cited for the extent to which they avoid courting the press. Writing for the Washington Post, media critic Howard Kurtz complained only weeks ago that the Obama campaign "makes only spotty attempts to drive its preferred story lines in the press," and that is "aloof," "not obsessed with winning the news cycle," and not given to launching campaign "charm offensives." Ironically, the reason the Obama campaign gives for their tactics was the hard lesson they were dealt when an example of the "venom" Krugman describes leached into the press:

But ever since Obama was embarrassed by a staff memo that assailed Hillary Clinton as the senator from "Punjab" (over her contributions from Indian Americans), he has ordered his team to steer clear of pejorative attacks not based on public actions.

Kurtz, by the way, notes a point of comparison between the Obama and the Clinton campaigns. The Clinton camp "aggressively lobbies journalists around the clock." And this is how kindergarten essays make it into the news cycle. This is how questionnaires and false concerns over a candidate's liberalism fuel fervor one week while neutral observations of Ronald Reagan's presidency inflame false concerns over the same candidate's conservatism the next. This is how an A-list columnist - typically zealous about leaving no claim unsupported by evidence - very breezily and comfortably abandons those standards one morning to write a hit piece on those who've hit not. But none dare call this venom.

Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
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Come on, people - think for yourselves now, you can do it...If Hillary were winning caucuses and Obama said that it was unfair (which he wouldn't, because he isn't a whiner when things don't go his way), all of the Hillary supporters would be going nuts. Just accept that he is winning, and she isn't. Hillary cannot beat McCain, or any other Republican. The truth hurts sometimes, but its still the truth. If you really want more of the same old corrupt Washington, then vote for Hillary - but the more people get to know Obama and his positions and values, the more people see that he is the only one with the honor, charisma, diplomacy skills and independence from special interests necessary to implement a progressive agenda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 AM on 02/12/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

Lovely.

Another Obamanista using right-wing talking points.

Another Obamanista who can't advocate for Obama without tearing Hillary down.

Another Obamanista who has drunk from the well of flowery rhetoric and can't advocate for Obama on any substantial point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/12/2008

It's pitiful isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/12/2008

And the emperor has no clothes! I love the Huffington Post, but folks - it ain't over yet. Before the emperor can parade himself, he's gotta win. And if he wins, those Hillary supporters are going to politely suggest that he get dressed (for battle) with McCain. That means expanding his vocabulary beyond "Yes We Can." On the other hand, I still believe and hope that Hillary wins. Are you prepared to back the Democratic nominee, regardless?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/12/2008

If obama wins the nomination, I will probably hold my nose and vote for him, simply because a neo-con is just out of the question. I think America has had enough of their bullshit. Obama would be miles above any GOPer. I just hope obama supporters have the wisdom and maturity to vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/12/2008
- pbarba1969 I'm a Fan of pbarba1969 12 fans permalink

He has no positions, no plan and what values??? Saying and doinf are two very different things....He has been a Senator for two years, with one of those years on the campaign trail. What exactly has he done??????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/12/2008

LOL - Watch the Hillary "Terminator" spoof. No cult involvement, just funny:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMgxFE6bms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 02/12/2008
- bauersox I'm a Fan of bauersox 4 fans permalink

On these message boards, I'm finding Obama supporters to be cult-like and abusive, responding to dissent with crude, foul, nasty language. Would I want to be part of any subset that behaves in that fashion? I don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 02/12/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Ditto for me. It would be embarassing to join this club.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/12/2008
- jaycasey I'm a Fan of jaycasey 2 fans permalink

Maybe it's just a coincidence but a few days ago I read somewhere that within the Clinton campaign they were planning to raise the accusation that Obama's supporters were a cult. Then within a few days Krugman comes out with his column with this claim. Is Krugman so tight with the Clintons that he's willing to malign the majority of Dems and Independents?

I used to have a lot of respect for Krugman but I now see that his wisdom is quite limited.

Anyway, if believing that things can be better makes me a cult member then I guess I'll just have to enjoy it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:18 AM on 02/12/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 30 fans permalink
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Actually the 'cult' attack originated with right wing, hate radio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/12/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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As did 98% of the Clinton hatred you hear regurgitated here. GOP wins again!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:43 AM on 02/12/2008

Why does someone have to be "informed," by talking heads, for what is clearly self evident???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 02/12/2008
- PT I'm a Fan of PT permalink

Cults have been around for centuries that have been well-defined throughout societies, including those within the US of A! Get use to it! What Krugman conveys is not news in the political arena.

Note: koolaid -- on the other hand -- varies by individual taste..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 02/12/2008
- Didi47 I'm a Fan of Didi47 15 fans permalink

jaycasey:

I doubt very much it's the Clinton campaign raising the Obama cult question. Just about ALL OF CANADA has been asking THAT question since the MEDIA promotion machine began having the mob like effect they hoped it would. That been a couple of months now.. Time to get caught up with what the rest of the world already knows.

A CULT was created by your MEDIA in RECORD time! WOW.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 02/12/2008

I saw this way before any article pointed it out. When people, desperate people, find a ray of hope, they cling to it because reality is just too much for them. They need to have someone to, "follow." And if that someone claims to be anti-war, when clearly the whole nation is sick of war, he can con the people all that much more easily. These desperate people start to view this person as some sort of saviour, and they abandon all objectivity and reason. They fall for the flowery oratory, the empty platitudes about hope and better selves and reaching for the stars. All of it is abstract nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 02/12/2008
- cambio I'm a Fan of cambio 5 fans permalink

Um, Krugman is a cultist if anyone. He has turned into nothing more than a puppet for the Clintons, Hillary's own personal little yappy lapdog that she has go out and spew her talking points and attacks against Obama. Krugman is a pathetic tool. I have no respect for the man anymore, he is shameless...he has just become so small and pathetic. I trust what he says about as much as I trust what Bill says at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 AM on 02/12/2008
- Tankan I'm a Fan of Tankan 3 fans permalink

We all know the cultish dynasty Mr Krugman fanatically supports!

There's nothing he wouldn't do or say to benifit his perfect leader!

He can see the sliver of wood in the eye of those who dare to be different, but not the beam in the eye of his glorious leader!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:31 AM on 02/12/2008
- kennedy I'm a Fan of kennedy 19 fans permalink

Obamas wife was working with Walmart even after Obama was running for President. Hillary saw what Walmart was about over 16 years ago and left. Michelle Obama knew all about Walmart when she joined. So why did she? And afterwards, why in the world did it take Obamas wife so long to leave Walmart?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 AM on 02/12/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

Obama has gotten a free ride all the way. None of the reporters ask the obvious. He's spreading BS as fast as possible.

I saw, however, in her Politico interview that she's answering back now. Good!

It's time some of the real information got out there.

Hillary was actually not well liked on the Wall-Mart board because she spoke up for workers too often for their comfort.

And you are dead right. Michelle worked for the company, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:02 AM on 02/12/2008
- KaAp I'm a Fan of KaAp 23 fans permalink

Obama's wife did not work for Wal-Mart she worked for Treehouse foods which is a supplier to Wal-Mart. Treehouse foods is a union plant ...

On the contrary Kennedy it was Senator Clinton who sat on Wal-Mart's board --- a little fact checking please

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/12/2008
- Leda I'm a Fan of Leda 9 fans permalink
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Obama's youth vote don't have to ask about his stand on social security- they all know that it will be irrelevent by the time they get older. & Obama will likely help make that happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 02/12/2008
- robeson I'm a Fan of robeson 30 fans permalink
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Mr. Krugman, name calling and smearing people you disagree with is lack of civility.
Are you auditioning for right wing radio?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 AM on 02/12/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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Did you even READ Krugman's article? As I write, there are over 1,000 comments to Jason Linkins piece and I can count on one hand the number of Obama supporters who actually read Paul Krugman's column (even though it was linked for your convenience).

Here's an example of Krugman's name calling and smearing:

"Both candidates still standing are smart and appealing. Both have progressive agendas (although I believe that Hillary Clinton is more serious about achieving universal health care, and that Barack Obama has staked out positions that will undermine his own efforts). Both have broad support among the party’s grass roots and are favorably viewed by Democratic voters.

"Supporters of each candidate should have no trouble rallying behind the other if he or she gets the nod."

You call that "lack of civility"? You think that's "auditioning for right wing radio"? And yours was one of the nicer attacks on Mr. Krugman!

Paul Krugman was standing up to this administration while much of the media was doing dog tricks for Bush and most Americans were picking lint from their navels. You may not agree with him this time, but this wholesale attack only serves to prove his point.

So many Obama supporters here crow about how educated his followers are. Here's a quote: "Racism, misogyny and character assassination are all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and people who care about the issues have a shared interest in making the politics of hatred unacceptable."
Perhaps one of you graduate students can explain how this slanders and smears Obama? That was one of the comments in Krugman's column.

It doesn't matter that I'm ashamed of you; you should be ashamed of yourselves!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 02/12/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

I think a lot of people will look back and wonder how they could have been party to this trashing.

It's so offensive, it's unbelievable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 02/12/2008
- bknott I'm a Fan of bknott 3 fans permalink

Yes, I actually read Paul Krugman's article (before reading this post) and I was also confused by the accusations that Obama follower's were cult-like. I have yet to meet these followers, although I know a number of people who will vote for Obama over Hillary. I am disappointed in Krugman, whom I usually like. Honestly, Hillary's voters seem pretty defensive and shrill to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 02/12/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

The Obamanistas don't need substance as long as you have Huffpo bloggers and contributors distorting what others say with parsed headlines and misinformed submissions.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 02/12/2008
- CanSoc I'm a Fan of CanSoc 3 fans permalink

None dare call it venom because it isn't. But I detect more than a hint in this blog directed at Prof. Krugman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 AM on 02/12/2008
- LeoMarvin I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin 35 fans permalink
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I agree. I admire Krugman, but he's doing none of us any favors by stoking that crap.

Other than that, I'd add just one thought to your post. A lot of the animosity toward Hillary is coming from people she angered with her Iraq vote long before Obama was running for President. I've been reading (and arguing against) "I'll never vote for Hillary" comments since 2003. So it's safe to say a lot of that hostility has nothing to do with Barack Obama, and many who are voicing might well be supporting no one. On the other hand, I don't think there's any appreciable corresponding hatred of Barack that DOESN'T originate with Hillary's supporters. Sure, maybe a couple here and there, but it's not the same phenomenon as the longstanding anti-Hillaryism.

Finally and somewhat off topic, the most upsetting thing I saw when I clicked through to the Times to read Krugman's piece was Bill Kristol's article predicting Obama will get the nomination. First of all, does anyone have a worse record of prognostication in the last few years than Bill Kristol? Getting picked by him is the frigging kiss of death. Thanks, Bill. But worse still is just the association of having him say something nice about my candidate. I think I need a shower.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/12/2008
- Herrington I'm a Fan of Herrington 90 fans permalink
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"I think I need a shower"

Imagine how Clinton feels with Ann Coulter and Rush "voting" for her. EEK!

The Republicans ace in the hole is to kill peoples interest in elections. They do it by slinging mud in every direction, including here on HuffPo. If you crawl thorugh the thousand or so comments here, you will see their tracks. Gasp!

What scares the Republicans more than anything else is Democracy. They equate it to Communism. But they don't realize that they create the progenitors of Communism, even though Marx spelled it out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 02/12/2008

If it isn't a cult of personality, what is it? It sure has all the earmarks of a fad. I give it 6 months tops...although he will probably be the nominee by then *sigh*

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 AM on 02/12/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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But Obama's gonna crush McCain in the November caucus! Oh wait . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 02/12/2008
- RealistDem I'm a Fan of RealistDem 2 fans permalink

Hillary would crush McCain in super delegates!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 02/12/2008

Antaeus, you already used that lame joke. You are trolling this blog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 02/12/2008
- dsbsh I'm a Fan of dsbsh 12 fans permalink

Krugman is entirely correct that the MSM has been employing "Clinton rules" since the early 90s, and has hardly let up with Hillary's current campaign. While acknowledging this fact, Taylor actually belittles it by claiming Chris Matthews and right-wing neo-con fanatic Kristol "most clearly come to mind." How about Tim Russert? Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich and the NYT editorial page? Most of the Washington Post's political reporters, including Kurtz?

Regarding Obama's followers, Krugman's point wasn't that they're causing the Clinton Rules, only that they're all too eager to play by those rules-- to repeat and build upon innuendo and proven lies about the Clintons in order to tout their favorite. He's not talking about the official Obama campaign or the candidate himself. IMO it's not a majority of Obama supporters, but all you have to do is read some of HuffPo and it becomes pretty clear.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 AM on 02/12/2008

ABSOULUTELY RIGHT!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 AM on 02/12/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 110 fans permalink
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dsbsh, you nailed it! And what becomes further apparent in this morass of animus and chest puffing is how few people actually READ Krugman's piece! It doesn't take a degree from MIT to recognize that the Huffington Post leans heavily toward Obama -- except for the snarky, often misleading headlines, there's no ignominy in this. But the level of discourse coming from people who claim to be young, hopeful and well-educated (that last just cracks me up) is stunning in its meanness and inability to move the dialogue beyond the echo chamber.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 02/12/2008
- PT I'm a Fan of PT permalink

"But the level of discourse coming from people who claim to be young, hopeful and well-educated (that last just cracks me up) is stunning in its meanness and inability to move the dialogue beyond the echo chamber."

Lemeritus - wait until Obama supporters have to defend Obama should he become the candidate of choice; for there lies the proof in the pudding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/12/2008
- degjack I'm a Fan of degjack 8 fans permalink

Overlooked a few more:

2/12 12.18 AM

Bush on Racist Bill Clinton
Barbara says Drop It

versus:

Obama Gaining in VA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 02/12/2008
- Wanod I'm a Fan of Wanod 4 fans permalink

ikkytito,
YOu are the smartest person on this blog, you got it right my friend. It's so sad that grown folks, that are suppose to be able to think, can't see the forest for the tree's. They're giving it to the Republican's. The only person that know's how to fight the Republican's is Hillary. Mark my word if it ain't Hillary, the Democrat's will surely loose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 AM on 02/12/2008

If he can beat Clinton based on republicans and independents he can beat McCain. His base hates him, without those independents he has nothing. And besides, really, who's a better politician, McCain or Clinton?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 AM on 02/12/2008
- RealistDem I'm a Fan of RealistDem 2 fans permalink

We giving it to the republicans by choosing the candidate that is polling higher against McCain, pulling in Independents and is generating huge enthusiasm? So the smart move would be to choose the candidate the polls lower against McCain, does poorly with Independents and has less enthusiasm. Do you see the folly in your arguement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 AM on 02/12/2008
- antaeus I'm a Fan of antaeus 90 fans permalink
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That's right!! Obama's gonna crush McCain in the November caucus! Oh wait . . . . it is a caucus, isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 AM on 02/12/2008
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