Krugman Claims Obama Supporters Are Cult-Like

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First Posted: 02-11-08 09:27 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that was going to take shape. It should have occurred to me: Paul Krugman was going to manufacture it!

In a long screed in this morning's New York Times, Krugman fulminates far and wide on the sins of the Obama camp. "I won't try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody." He believes that the Obama campaign is "dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. (Oh, really?) He finds it "saddening" how "many Obama supporters seem happy with the application of 'Clinton rules'" which is, "the term a number of observers use for the way pundits and some news organizations treat any action or statement by the Clintons, no matter how innocuous, as proof of evil intent."

Well, it's a good thing he's not faking evenhandedness here! Krugman makes a lot of bold claims, and then fails to substantiate every single one of them. As to his claim that "most of the venom" is emanating from the Obama camp, he provides not a single shred of evidence. He provides no example of the Obama supporters, evincing the behavior that "saddens" him. Frankly, he fails to pull off the whole "cult of personality" charge as well, but my wife, having earned a deep dislike of chanted mantras from her work at elementary school, finds the constant "Yes we can!" refrain deeply grating, so I'm happy to sympathize with Krugman on that point.

The only thing that passes for evidence in Krugman's piece is "the way the press covered Whitewater" back in the 1990s, and the recent remarks of David Shuster - who a) is not a member of the Obama camp, b) was punished swiftly for his remarks, and c) hardly represents the tip of the iceberg of unfair Clinton commentary on MSNBC, which d) has not escaped the attention of the press or similarly aggrieved protesters. Clinton has, admittedly, more than her fair share of nemeses among those who cover the news - Chris Matthews and Bill Kristol come most clearest to the mind. But by and large, their enmity was in place long before Barack Obama arrived on the scene and emerges independently of the Obama campaign's actions. What's more, should Obama quit the scene today, those who bare their anti-Clinton bias are not likely to ease up.

In short, a strong case can be made that Clinton's been roughly treated by the press. The case that cannot be made is that the Obama campaign is culpable for this treatment. The fact of the matter is, the Obama campaign has already been famously cited for the extent to which they avoid courting the press. Writing for the Washington Post, media critic Howard Kurtz complained only weeks ago that the Obama campaign "makes only spotty attempts to drive its preferred story lines in the press," and that is "aloof," "not obsessed with winning the news cycle," and not given to launching campaign "charm offensives." Ironically, the reason the Obama campaign gives for their tactics was the hard lesson they were dealt when an example of the "venom" Krugman describes leached into the press:

But ever since Obama was embarrassed by a staff memo that assailed Hillary Clinton as the senator from "Punjab" (over her contributions from Indian Americans), he has ordered his team to steer clear of pejorative attacks not based on public actions.

Kurtz, by the way, notes a point of comparison between the Obama and the Clinton campaigns. The Clinton camp "aggressively lobbies journalists around the clock." And this is how kindergarten essays make it into the news cycle. This is how questionnaires and false concerns over a candidate's liberalism fuel fervor one week while neutral observations of Ronald Reagan's presidency inflame false concerns over the same candidate's conservatism the next. This is how an A-list columnist - typically zealous about leaving no claim unsupported by evidence - very breezily and comfortably abandons those standards one morning to write a hit piece on those who've hit not. But none dare call this venom.

Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
Over the weekend, at his eponymous blog at The Atlantic, Matthew Yglesias warned of "the anti-Obama backlash brewing in the press" that was poised to hit "full stride." I remember wondering how that ...
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- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

OK! OK! OK! Enough already all you anti-Obama folks out there! You've convinced me! Barak's rhetoric is nothing short of blasphemous! His rantings and ravings are on par with that of Hitler, Kim Ill Sung . . . Dick Cheney, even!
I am so convinced by your articulate arguments against the second possible black president that I've recycled my Obama-rama placards and burned the sticks.
I am now officially a Clinton cult . . . err, excuse me, supporter.
I've got to go now. 'Got to finish the last chapter of a historical novel about the rise and fall of Adolph Hitler. I'll be looking at this hideous character with a less of a critical eye now that I've got the lowdown on Obama . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:27 PM on 02/11/2008
- YellerDawg I'm a Fan of YellerDawg 28 fans permalink

Seems like Krugman hit a nerve. I'm just sayin'.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/11/2008
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I agree. Krugman must have hit the nail on the head to bring out all the Obamaniacs in full force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/11/2008
- vsign I'm a Fan of vsign 33 fans permalink

John Edwards - Please sue MSNBC for not giving the VOTERS a level playing field. Obama has received so much affirmative action, it has undercut the voters say. I want a new Voters Rights Act where the internet users cannot control the outcome of our Democratic Party primary.

MSNBC timed Obama's surge perfectly so that the voting results are not accurate.

The caucus states have messed everything up. These states save money by having caucus' instead of primaries. This year, the caucus' got taken over by Obama supporters. Yes, they were more energized to spend 3 hours to vote than working people. Yes, Obama had more money to organize in these states (Oprah $). He has racked up his delegate count primarily from these states. But the white people who voted in these caucus' are the elites and the pacifists!!

Now the super delegates need to set this right for working people who did not get a chance to vote in a primary. If the Democratic Party, that I love, is going to keep the working class members, the super delegates need to help us. Out of the two candidates left standing, Hillary represents the working class. Do it to keep the party, that I love, together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 02/11/2008

Which is it controlling the primaries/caucuses? MSNBC or the internet?


YOU SAID: "This year, the caucus' got taken over by Obama supporters. Yes, they were more energized to spend 3 hours to vote than working people."


-- What the hell are you talking about? My neighbors and fellow caucus mates are as hard working as anyone else. HOW DARE YOU! The white people who voted in the caucuses are elites & pacifists? Try average people struggling to make ends meet in this f'cked economy. We are the working class and I resent your line of BS. We spent those couple of hours caucusing AFTER the day's work ended. Yes, energized to participate in the election process instead of vegging in front of American Idol or some such nonsense. You just don't like the fact that we preferred Obama over Clinton.


YOU SAID: "Now the super delegates need to set this right for working people who did not get a chance to vote in a primary."


-- Those who vote(d) in primaries have(had) MORE of a chance to vote as the polls are open morning, afternoon, and evening. NOT SO for caucuses (which are held in the evening and on weekends to allow most people to get to them easily).

Hillary does not represent "the working class".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/11/2008

Paul Krugman is absolutely right. Only those who have come under the spell of the Obama cult can't see it. That includes HuffPost, MSNBC and most of the other MSM. That "yes we can" mantra and the Obama fawning press are all I need to know about this cult. To paraphrase what Joe Biden said about Rudy; all we get from Obama is a noun, a verb and "change".

I just hope that the Democratic party doesn't have a case of buyer's remorse once the votes are counted in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/11/2008
- DRPike I'm a Fan of DRPike 13 fans permalink
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Yes! Everyone but me is CRAZY!



and they say we are off...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 02/11/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 81 fans permalink
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Ever wonder why Obama's supporters come from the more educated ranks of the party? Why does he do better with people with college degrees and post-graduate degrees? Is it because we are mesmerized by simple chants? Are we just a bunch of overeducated zombies?

Perhaps it stems from learning analytical skills, studying history, and remembering everything that happened during the Clinton administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 02/11/2008
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All I need to know about you.
Which flavor is that Kool-Aid?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:40 PM on 02/11/2008
- MPeter I'm a Fan of MPeter 25 fans permalink

Krugman is an obsessive small-minded man driven by envy and hatred, not reason or logic. He is arrogant and now angry that Senator Obama has debunked all the bogus panditry and emerged as an authentic, credible and serious presidential candidate. Krugman is frustrated, angry but defeated. He is an obstructionist who will do anything to stop change.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:10 PM on 02/11/2008
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Wow. Thank you for proving Krugman's point.

One can disagree with Krugman's belief that Clinton's ripoff of Edward's plan will more likely lead to single-payer health care than Obama's plan.

However, these personal attacks on Krugman just show that what he and other commentators are saying about Obamaniacs are true.

What happened is that Krugman interrupted the St. Barack Traveling Salvation Show with an intellectual rigor and detailed analysis of Obama's health care plan and found enough holes to drive a truck through it.

One can disagree with his conclusions and argue a different point of view on the policy. But calling him a shill for Hillary, which is baseless, just proves what he and others are saying about some of his supporters.

There are many people like myself who are not and never have been pro-Clinton, but are pro-Krugman, and will stand up to Obamaniacs who slander his character.

Krugman is not an "obstructionist". He was standing up to the Bush administration the years the capitol hill Democrats were cowering. He was fighting for single-payer health care long before Obama entered Federal Politics.

May I recommend actually getting some knowledge to learn what Krugman is talking about. His book "The Conscience of Liberal" is stellar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 02/11/2008

Krugman is an obsessive small-minded man driven by envy and hatred, not reason or logic.
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What crap! Paul Krugman is a decent man and a fine journalist, plus he has a fine critical mind.

But everyone has a right to be wrong sometimes, and I happen to think he's wrong in this case and missing the real point of why so many people are so excited about Obama's canditacy.

I think he's done more than enough for the cause for Obama supporters to cut him a break. I seriously doubt he will become a McCain supporter if Hillary Clinton is not the democratic nominee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 02/11/2008
- JakeEasy I'm a Fan of JakeEasy 13 fans permalink

I know you people here don't actually read or know about the stuff you condemn, but isn't there one who would read Krugman's commentary rather than the Linkins' bleatings. HIs rant really has very little to do with the column, sort of as if he hadn't read it either. He probably got his headline from another blog. These guys never read anything but each other.

I read the commentary in the Times and then came here to see how it would be spun. Just as I thought, the faithful set about proving Paul right in every way. Since none of you will read it, I will tell you the article wasn't about Obama. It was marginally about his circle of disciples. Mostly it was about the Clinton Rules. Rules the Obamanians have taken directly from MSM and applied vigorously.

The point of the article though is that sleeping with MSM will not avail the Obama crowd one bit. That group is notoriously unfaithful. Once Barack has the nomination, he will experience Obama Rules. Everything he does and says will be derided and made the point of jokes and ridicule.

Here's the sad part. Since the Obamanians are such a product of MSM enterprises, they will shortly be attacking their own saviour. They have never read or thought on their own, but been happy to parrot back phrases and curses supplied over the airwaves to them. When the Clinton curses stop and the Obama attacks come, they will resist a little. At first they will try to blame the only scapegoat they know, Hillary. Then as the goofy crew at MSM etal begin turning up the Anti-Barack volume, they will capitulate and eat up that crap as mindlessly as they did the Anti-Hillary crap.

Arrogant and unable to admit error, poor Barack will look around and never know what hit him. He will be dumbfounded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 02/11/2008

Yes, you're SO MUCH smarter than we mindless, blathering imbeciles who support Barack Obama (oops, I should have said worship, right?). Yes, each of us is just too moronic to even know how to find the article Krugman wrote in the NYT. However did I stumble onto it first thing this morning?

Got narcissism?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/11/2008
- Lemeritus I'm a Fan of Lemeritus 108 fans permalink
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Well, gee, justsaynotofascism, which is it? Are you the too-cool-for-you, too-sexy-f­or-your-sh­orts, over-educated, analytic geniuses that AxelDC claims you are? Or are you the mindless, blathering imbeciles you fear you might be? You guys are scaring me... who else would you like to move aside so you can run the world? Reminds me of a song in the movie, Caberet -- "Tomorrow Belongs to Me".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 PM on 02/11/2008
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Dumbfounded like anyone reading your claptrap nonsense?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

Yep! That Obama is a typical backwater niggero! In over his head, he is! Poor guy won't see it comin"! All that learnin' at prestigious schools won't help 'em a bit! All that politi-tic-an in Chicago is for naught.
Myaswell just go home, eat some watermelon and some fried chicken, watch reruns of Sanford & Son and sing some of them there religious songs.
Boy! Do you ever have his number!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/11/2008
- YellerDawg I'm a Fan of YellerDawg 28 fans permalink

See a therapist. Your attempt at satire fails to cover your comfort with hate speech.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 02/11/2008
- JakeEasy I'm a Fan of JakeEasy 13 fans permalink

hyjanks,

I mentioned nothing even remotely about race. That you went there is a sign of you moral bankruptcy. You shouldn't be a part of Obama's support or Hillary's support. You shouldn't be a part of anything but a 12-step plan for the ignorant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 02/11/2008
- S1m0n I'm a Fan of S1m0n 96 fans permalink
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If I was in Krugman's camp, I dunno if I'd be drawing attention to my candidates personality, frankly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:07 PM on 02/11/2008

I think, S1mOn, perhaps you would advised to read Dr. Krugman's column. He didn't draw attention to your candidates personality, whomever your candidates are or whatever their collective personality you say he is featuring. Krugman was drawing attention, rightly so, to Sen. Obama's clueless rabid, yes mindless fringe, a presumably small minority of his broad political support which is based primarily upon an irrational and visceral objection to all things Clinton, a group which seems to have an all-to-willing and uncritical acceptance--nay, prominence at Huffpo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:05 PM on 02/11/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

Stanley Fish makes the same point as Krugman does:

http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/10/a-calumny-a-day-will-keep-hillary-away/index.html

The thing that fascinates me about the Obamanistas is that are totally incapable of backing their candidate without ripping on Hillary, using every right-wing talking point of the last 16 years in order to destroy her. This is the central reason why the Obamanistas can't be trusted.

I have yet to read one Huffblogger or one of the Obamanista foot soldiers positively advocate for Obama on a policy position. What does "hope and change" mean if there are no policies to back up the Werner Erhard jargon?

Also, another thing I have noticed is that out of all the Democratic candidates and their supporters, only the Obamanistas have made it a central part of their campaign to destroy Hillary.

During the 04 campaign, I don't remember the Dean supporters trying to Swiftboat John Kerry, like the Obamanistas have done to Hillary.

Never heard a Deaniac say that s/he would vote foe Bush instead of Kerry, unlike the Obamanistas who vow to vote for McCain over Hillary.

I know the Obamanistas are so caught up in the flowery jargon to have sense of self-reflection.

Fortunately, there are some people left in the US who can see through their hate, hypocrisy and sanctimonious bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 02/11/2008

I've actually read far, far more Clinton supporters say they wouldn't vote for Obama, but both sides are trying to win this 'electability' debate.


Why are you talking about message board posters as opposed to the candidates? We all know (or at least should know) we're not changing any minds here.


Any Dems who aren't voting for whichever candidate comes out on top are fools, and unfortunately, we'll all get what they deserve.


I know I'm dreaming when I say I'd like the debate to rise a few hundred levels here on the boards, but that's what supporting Obama is all about, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 PM on 02/11/2008

You just exhibited a perfect illustration of what you're complaining about. You're bashing Obama supporters, and you haven't said one positive thing about Hillary.

Look in the mirror.

And, has it ever occurred to you that some of us are pretty upset at the way the Clintons tried to push that Reagan nonsense. We like Obama because he's running a clean, honest campaign. He's doing it the right way. The Clintons, are doing old style Rovian politics. And we hate that crap! That's the change we want! If a candidate is behaving that badly, I don't see any reason to ease up on them. If Obama had been doing the same kinds of things, Hillary's people would be just as upset, and rightly so.

I love it when one party is doing something to slime another party, and the offended party mentions it, and the offending party then complains that the offended party is complaining. Unbelievable.

Go Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:11 PM on 02/11/2008
- Serfie I'm a Fan of Serfie 14 fans permalink

The only people who have used slimeball politics and Rovian smear tactics during the primaries have been the Obamanistas.

The Kucinich people didn't do it.

The Biden people didn't do it.

The Richardson people didn't do it.

The Gavel people didn't do it.

The Edwards people didn't do it.

Their supporters had class and dignity.

It has only been the Obamanistas pulling out the right-wing talking points of the last 16 years to destroy Hillary.

The Obama left has become what the Gingrich right was in the 90's.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 02/11/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 81 fans permalink
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Maybe that's because my primary reason for looking at Obama in the first place was as an alternative to Hillary Clinton.

I think Barack Obama is an amazing candidate, but if I'd vote for a turnip before I'd let the Clintons back in the White House. Their main qualification seems to be that they are better than Bush, but he's the worst president in modern history.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:38 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

Obamaanistas? Wow! That's a new one. 'Musta' stayed up all night thinkin' that one up!
For the record, I don't give a rip about rippin' Hillary. I'll vote for either of 'em.
Sort of destroys your accusations, doesn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 PM on 02/11/2008
- kellybelle I'm a Fan of kellybelle 2 fans permalink

I was offended by Sen Clinton's comment re: Louisiana:

"You had a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand,"

I hear this as "Obama won because Blacks voted for him because he's Black." While people may have voted for him for those reasons, they might also like his positions on the issues and the inspiration he elicits. When Clinton says things like this, it shows how politically tone-deaf she is and it pushes me further into Obama's camp or it readies me to vote for McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:29 PM on 02/11/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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This is exactly what Krugman is talking about. Threats to vote Repig if Obama doesn't get the nomination. So fine. Vote Repig. Now just go the hell away, we don't want to hear from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 02/11/2008

What Krugman doesn't mention are the Clinton supporters who have vowed to NEVER vote for Obama. They will stay home or vote for another party's candidate, some even declare McCain. I've seen it plenty of times on this site and others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/11/2008
- kellybelle I'm a Fan of kellybelle 2 fans permalink

Sorry, I don't hate republicans. So it's Obama or McCain for me and I'd be happy with either. I was about to switch parties anyway, the only thing that stopped me was Himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:20 PM on 02/11/2008
- anghiari I'm a Fan of anghiari 22 fans permalink

Which version of the Constitution did you read? We can damn well vote for whom we want when we want and who is Krugman to talk about cult?...No­w we're a cult because we don't take crap from liars and we come on line to meet you on the battlefield of words...We do not have to go anywhere, but where we choose to go. Krugman don't like uppity...w­ell in Obama he has uppity and smart as hell...tel­l Krugman don't burst a blood vessel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 02/11/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 260 fans permalink

EXHIBIT "A".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 02/11/2008

You ever thought that not all his supporters are dem? He has indeps and rep too, so when a supporter says they will vote repub in the fall if its Hillary it is really none of your business. Last time I looked we could vote however we want.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:03 PM on 02/11/2008
- balance I'm a Fan of balance 9 fans permalink

Look at the median & mean household incomes for African-Americns from 1992 to 2000, in 2006 dollars.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/histinc/h05.html

The mean income goes from 35,833 to 45,870.
after 2000, income growth stagnates.
Millions were lifted out of poverty during Bill Clinton's 8 year term.

The Clintons deserve a bit more respect and much less hatred. Objectively and casting aside right-wing attempts at character attacks, they have been, without any doubt, good for the United States of America.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/11/2008
- anghiari I'm a Fan of anghiari 22 fans permalink

Well Vernon Jordan has been serving as Bill's beard all of these years...co­unt his service against all those black folks Bill lifted out of poverty...­Also wasn't that what he was hired for??? were there any whites whose lives were made better by President Bill...or is it only black folks who are expected to pay the poll tax for being "lifted out of poverty"..­you people are stunningly stupid!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

I don't hate 'em. I just want them to go away. And take that 71-year-old, stooped, white-haired, flip-flopper with 'em!
Let's clear the field and start from scratch.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/11/2008

Thanks for proving one of Krugman's points. Rather than vote the politics, you vote the personality. Can't you even see that saying "I'll either vote for Obama or McCain" is like saying "I'll either vote for a Liberal or a Conservative"? There's no political conviction behind your vote, merely media-generated infatuation. You're the antithesis of an informed voter, and the reason Plato may have been correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:04 PM on 02/11/2008
- anghiari I'm a Fan of anghiari 22 fans permalink

And what are all those women who are voting their gender doing?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:50 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

Yeah. I'm infatuated by the media. I'm also a true believe in Bush-o-nomics, brush my teeth three times a day and take aspirin at the first sign of a headache.
Plato? Wasn't he a friend of O.J. Simpson?
Pardon my ignorance. It's just that I'm incapable of thinking for myself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 PM on 02/11/2008
- paulbk I'm a Fan of paulbk 2 fans permalink

Mr. Krugman is grasping and he knows it. There was a time I thought Mr. Krugman was intelligent and more importantly, had character. I was wrong on both counts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 02/11/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Reasoning backward from the conclusion. That's a time-tested technique of logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 02/11/2008
- PadrePio I'm a Fan of PadrePio 4 fans permalink

You need to read his article. As Mr. Krugman stated the Obamabots better not relish in the rough treatment that the Clinton's are getting because "bambi" will get his share of ridicule if he is the Democratic nominee. Maureen Dowd and all of her Washington insider ilk will roast "bambi" starting no later than in September.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 02/11/2008
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Tpyical Obamaniac argument.

"I don't agree what someone says about my preferred Presidential candidate so I will attack his character.­"

Yes, Clinton's people did it too.

A pox on both your houses.

Meanwhile, I'm sending Krugman a thank you card for telling the truth depsite the pressure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

And the truth shall set you free!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/11/2008
- balance I'm a Fan of balance 9 fans permalink

I think Krugman is responding to all the hostility towards Ms. Clinton from the Democratic left, from the MSM, and from the blogosphere.

"Shillary, Billary, Clintonistas, the Clintons can't be trusted, the Clintons don't act on principle, they are liars, Whitewater, Monica, excusing the pimping accusation, the Harry & Louising of Hillary's health care plan, etc..."

C'mon we've seen all of that and worse. There's no denying and glossing over it.

And it is obvious that many (but not all) Obama supporters have adopted 90's right-wing talking points and joined the right-wing attack machine against Ms. Clinton.
You can't even insert a playing card between these haters and the right-wing anymore, they sound identical.

It sort of perversely legitimizes the right-wing/Rove machinery -- within the Democratic party!

Yes, maybe some of this anti-Hillary hatred is being enflamed by right-wing operatives on the net, but it still seems like it is being welcomed and condoned by many (but not all) Obama supporters -- especially on Huffpo.

Even when allies who have been fighting for democratic ideals for decades are immediately villified, their motives cast in a sinister light, and their character attacked if they don't jump on the bandwagon. It's like the Stalinists turning on the Leninists.

It is indeed troubling that in this contest within the Democratic party, differences of opinion are villified, and cannot be brought up at all without personal, ad hominem attacks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 02/11/2008

Please, don't discount those Clinton supporters who villify Obama and his supporters. The names and claims are just as vile as any you've seen towards Clinton and her supporters. There's no denying or glossing over that either.

I definitely think FOX and some of the talking heads on MSNBC have unfairly attacked Mrs. Clinton. Other than writing them and switching the channel, there's not much I can do to stop it. And I've done both.

I know Paul Krugman is a Clinton supporter, but I thought more highly of him before this particular NYT article. He's engaging in the same behavior that he's accusing others of and I don't care for it at all. I'm not a cult member, I don't engage in hero worship, and I resent the insults for merely supporting a candidate who differs from the one he has chosen to support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:12 PM on 02/11/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 260 fans permalink

"In short, a strong case can be made that Clinton's been roughly treated by the press. The case that cannot be made is that the Obama campaign is culpable for this treatment.­"

BINGO! It's not the Obama 'campaign'­... it's a growing number of Obama SUPPORTERS.

I frequently find myself aggressively defending both Clintons against a transparent pattern of 'cropped' quotes, innacurately recounted exchanges with reporters and outright misrepresentations on HuffPo -- not to mention the mind-numbing drone of the the 'affair' police, whose personal maladjustment seemingly prevents them from moving on -- but I wouldn't hesitate, for one second, to support Obama if he is, in the final analysis, the Democratic candidate.

At least as reflected on these threads, the same cannot be said of a troubling number of self-proclaimed Obama supporters, many of whom take perverse pleasure in threatening to vote for McCain if Clinton is the nominee.

Barack Obama is a promising candidate. I'd like more details. One thing, however, is glaringly clear... anyone who cannot (or refuses to) discern a growing cult-like undercurrent among his more rabid fans simply isn't paying attention -- or is part of the problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 02/11/2008

You said: "One thing, however, is glaringly clear... anyone who cannot (or refuses to) discern a growing cult-like undercurrent among his more rabid fans simply isn't paying attention.­"

But the same is also true about Clinton supporters who scream "Sexism!" "Misogynist!" "Hillary-Hater!" if you try to disagree on the issues.. See my post below for further comment.

The invective on both sides is distressing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/11/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 260 fans permalink

"Yeah, those were the days, weren't they? Non-stop Paul [sic] Jones and Monica Lewinsky."

Sound familiar, hypocrite?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

You ain't seen "cult" until you become a Christian.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/11/2008

Apparently this author does not read the comments of Huffpo readers.. it is Obama followers who say Obama or nobody..

Or.. I'll vote for McCAin before i vote for Hillary..

I have read it 1000 times on this blog.

SO why is the author so mystified?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 PM on 02/11/2008

You are correct in that there are some over-the-top Obama supporters here, and, frankly, I think Obama would be embarrassed by them. Some of them behave like children pitching a temper tantrum.

But you are wrong if you think that there are not roughly the same number of Obama haters that roam this site. I encounter them everyday. You will see them come out in droves when a blog here has a particular feminist slant. It's like disturbing an ant hill! The charges of "Sexism!" "Misogynist!" "Hillary-Hater!" that you will encounter when you are trying to have a discussion on the issues is mind-numbing. These Clinton supporters are also completely over the top!

Reasonable, rational people must try to overlook the fanatics on BOTH sides and save their energy for people who demonstrate that they can discuss the issues without calling names. Do not let them get to you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 02/11/2008

Obamabot, Obamanistas, Obamaniac, cult members, salvation seekers, hopium smokers, kneel and pray to Saint Obama, blah, blah, blah. Definitely over the top.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 PM on 02/11/2008

Just wondering if you've seen, "I will NEVER vote for Obama" or "I'll vote for McCain before I vote for that... (some derogatory name for Obama)" 1000 times on this blog. I know I've seen some variation of it countless times.

Too bad we can't aim all of this negative energy where it belongs; towards BUSHCO.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:23 PM on 02/11/2008
- YellerDawg I'm a Fan of YellerDawg 28 fans permalink

Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 02/11/2008

You are right. We need to aim it at Bushco.

To answer your question: Yes, I have probably seen the Obama haters say the same thing at least a thousand times on this site. It may depend on which blog you read that does or does not support your (or my) position.

The problem seems to be that everyone (both sides) wants to blame the other side and will never own up to the fact that their side is just as guilty, so it's like a constant battle of two-year-olds crying: "Did not!" "Did, too!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 02/11/2008
- CarbonDate I'm a Fan of CarbonDate 6 fans permalink
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If there was any doubt that this "cult" meme was coming from the Clinton camp, we can put it to rest right now. Krugman is as big a Clinton shill as anybody.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/11/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 260 fans permalink

Mmmyeah... so, if your house is on fire and Krugman yells for you to get out, just kick back and watch the tee-vee. After all, he's probably a shill for the fire department, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:32 PM on 02/11/2008
- Aristedes I'm a Fan of Aristedes 2 fans permalink

Yo backdate, Oblama and his wife & supporters have been rude & sling a lot of mud, Republigun style @ the Clintons. This is not the way to win my vote. The media is biased against Hillary with many falsehoods & unsubstantiated flat out lies posed as righteous speculation by people who don't care about the truth. It is sickening & disgusting to see Oblama & his supporters-many of them are Raygun Democrats or 'Green' Republiguns & Maniacal Libertarians and not a few BUPPIES, consistently going for the low blow against Senator Clinton instead of concentrating on the positive points of their idol Oblama. When you lose your sense of courtesy, you are bound to ultimately fail. You can also be brought down by your own overconfidence, bravado & arrogance.
Great speech making can also mislead. YES WE CAN elect a Democratic President - Hillary Clinton. Don't count on Teddy or Kerry or Nader or Oblama. They are playing some kind of game. All those people who are casting stones have NO soul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 02/11/2008
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"YES WE CAN" is not the battle cry of a cult.

It is the battle cry given us by the Declaration of Independence that starts with "WE THE PEOPLE"!

Obama follows other great leaders in American history that arise from time to time, giving voice "to the people" and returning America's promise that this is a land of WE THE PEOPLE.

The "cults" of corporatism & militarism have been devouring AMERICA with increasing strength since the end of WW II.

In Hillary's "35" years of "experience" what has she done to stop those "cults"??

We need Obama's inspiration, wisdom & honesty. There is much work ahead for "all" AMERICANS to do. Hillary always says, "'I' am ready on day one." Obama says, "YES 'WE' CAN." That is the choice!

This election is about nothing less than reclaiming the soul of AMERICA.

The VOTE - will reclaim WE THE PEOPLE.

Barack the VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 02/11/2008

Obama says, "YES 'WE' CAN." That is the choice!
This election is about nothing less than reclaiming the soul of AMERICA.
The VOTE - will reclaim WE THE PEOPLE.


And then?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:06 PM on 02/11/2008
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That is up to "US"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 02/11/2008
- hank48188 I'm a Fan of hank48188 8 fans permalink

"YES WE CAN" was a phrase used by the UNITED FARM WORKERS in the 70's YOU PEOPLE ARE A CULT

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 PM on 02/11/2008
- krissymax I'm a Fan of krissymax 15 fans permalink

Your comment proves Krugman's point. Yes we can! Oh my God, how infantile - I get this queasy feeling when I see adults act like fools. Support him for his policies or for whatever reason, but don't chant this simplistic phrase over and over like zombies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 PM on 02/11/2008

When it comes to universal health care, my opponent is saying 'no we can't'. Well I'm saying, yes we can!


Guess who said that while campaigning in Washington State last week? HILLARY! HILLARY! HILLARY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 02/11/2008
- sixletters I'm a Fan of sixletters 11 fans permalink
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About as infantile as "I Have a Dream".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:22 PM on 02/11/2008
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Is "WE THE PEOPLE" a "simplistic phrase"??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:27 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

Yeah. I liked "Tippacanoe and Tyler too" much better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/11/2008
- edzeppelin I'm a Fan of edzeppelin 3 fans permalink

I guess you would've seen Benjamin Franklin's "Join or Die" as infantile too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:40 PM on 02/11/2008

I joined the Obama Cult in 04. That horrible night when I had to much to drink and cried myself to sleep. The American people are waking up!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/11/2008
- Vinkaye I'm a Fan of Vinkaye 2 fans permalink

The last time we heard about reclaiming the soul of America, we ended up with President George W. Bush. If you like his policies, and think he'd make a good President, then vote for him, but please understand that you are not voting for anything other than a politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 02/11/2008
- krissymax I'm a Fan of krissymax 15 fans permalink

Vinkaye is correct. That is the thing that troubles me and perhaps why Krugman made is cult statement, because he is just another politician.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 02/11/2008
- wisechild I'm a Fan of wisechild 6 fans permalink

If you look at the demographics of who supported Bush and who supports Obama, there are differences.
Bush sold himself as something he is not. I do not see Obama selling himself but rather the idea that we can change things by working together. If you don't buy, I feel sorry for you because you are lost. We need to feel good about our selves and what lays ahead for us.

I never bought Bush for a minute. He was dumb, inarticulate and insincere. I would not apply those terms to Obama or clinton...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:35 PM on 02/11/2008
- hinnis I'm a Fan of hinnis 17 fans permalink

Just a few segments in Obama's own words, along with come articles for those who really want to know more about him.

Obama's good judgment on Rumsfeld and other Bush cabinet appointees:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxPA37n0oOU

Obama is forced to admit his campaign played the race card: www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXXjWy-OztQ&feature=related

Obama misleads in the debates about his relationship to a pharmaceutical lobbyist as his state campaign chair: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYVrMA9PkKo

Obama lies in the debates about his Pakistan policy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kkGGqufu2c

Obama is caught purposely midleading about his connection to Tony Rezko, the now-indicted slumlord: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqhbihfwgx8

Discussion of Obama's arguably racist church and mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FUnBi1i90E

Article about Obama's church: www.newmediajournal.us/staff/rush/2007/print/02202007.htm

Obama's fundraising:
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-galesburg_obama_webfeb01,1,6024020.story

Obama and the indicted Tony Rezko: www.suntimes.com/news/brown/757286,CST-NWS-brown24.article

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

You forgot "Article about Obama claiming he walked on water". Sorry, Youtube didn't catch it, but I guarantee you his supporters claim that he can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 02/11/2008
- hinnis I'm a Fan of hinnis 17 fans permalink

Some of the above links must be cut and pasted to your browser to play.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:58 PM on 02/11/2008
- MR I'm a Fan of MR 7 fans permalink

The Obama campaign is absolutely not culpable for the idiocy ineptitute incompetece and stupidty of the press. However Obama still strikes me as an empty suit with greeting card platitudes,a misplaced ego ( he thinks the election is all about him) and from a policy point of view really not a dimes worth of difference between him and Clinton except he sounds like a snakeoil salesman telling us he is good for what ails us when nothing ails us except 8 years of bush and the Republicans.

The best part of Clinton's just about inevitable nominantion is that it is going to tell the press once and for all they dont have the influence they think they do or want with the American people and they couldnt get a dog catcher elected no matter how hard they tried.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 02/11/2008
- sixletters I'm a Fan of sixletters 11 fans permalink
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"he thinks the election is all about him"
"sounds like a snakeoil salesman"

To me it seems as though you have a personal problem with Obama.
I wonder what is it about Obama that gets under your skin?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/11/2008
- Aristedes I'm a Fan of Aristedes 2 fans permalink

Oblama is too arrogant.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/11/2008

Last time I checked the media, internet, drinking and overeating are all part of the American Culture.

I prefer an empty suit to one that is stuffed with?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 PM on 02/11/2008
- hyjanks I'm a Fan of hyjanks 38 fans permalink

Actually, I was cured of my Clintonitis by taking several doses of Dr. Johnson's Snake Oil. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/11/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 61 fans permalink
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Where can I get some?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:56 PM on 02/11/2008
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