Executions May Be Carried Out at Gitmo

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MICHAEL MELIA and ANDREW O. SELSKY | February 12, 2008 11:29 PM EST | AP

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This undated file photo provided by ABC News shows Waleed bin Attash. Bin Attash, a Yemeni portrayed as an al-Qaida operative and a member of a terrorist family, confessed to plotting the bombings of the USS Cole and two U.S. embassies in Africa, killing hundreds, according to a Pentagon transcript of a Guantanamo Bay hearing, released Monday March 19, 2007. The Pentagon has charged bin Attash and five other detainees at Guantanamo Bay with murder and war crimes in connection with the Sept. 11 terror attacks, and officials said Monday Feb. 11, 2008, the United States will seek the death penalty. (AP Photo/ABC News)

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — If six suspected terrorists are sentenced to death at Guantanamo Bay for the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. Army regulations that were quietly amended two years ago open the possibility of execution by lethal injection at the military base in Cuba, experts said Tuesday.

Any executions would probably add to international outrage over Guantanamo, since capital punishment is banned in 130 countries, including the 27-nation European Union.

Conducting the executions on U.S. soil could open the way for the detainees' lawyers to go to U.S. courts to fight the death sentences. But the updated regulations make it possible for the executions to be carried out at Guantanamo.

David Sheldon, an attorney and former member of the Navy's legal corps, said an execution chamber at Guantanamo would be largely beyond the reach of U.S. courts.

"I think that's the administration's idea, to try to use Guantanamo as a base to not be under the umbrella of the federal district courts," he said. "If one is detained in North Carolina or South Carolina in a Navy brig, one could conceivably file a petition of habeas corpus and because of where they're located, invoke the jurisdiction of a federal court."

The condemned men could even be buried at Guantanamo. A Muslim section of the cemetery at Guantanamo has been dedicated by an Islamic cultural adviser, said Bruce Lloyd, spokesman for the Guantanamo Naval Station. Among those buried elsewhere at the cemetery are U.S. servicemen.

"A small area of the cemetery has been fenced off and remains ready for the burial of any Muslim who may die here and not be repatriated to another country, for whatever reason," Lloyd told The Associated Press.

When two Saudis and a Yemeni committed suicide at Guantanamo in 2006, military officers said the men could be buried at the cemetery, but the remains were instead sent back to their homelands.

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Up until recently, experts on military law said, it was understood that military regulations required executions to be carried out by lethal injection at Fort Leavenworth in Kansas.

But in January 2006, the Army changed its procedures for military executions, allowing "other locations" to be used. The new regulations say that only the president can approve an execution and that the secretary of the Army will authorize the location.

"Military executions will be by lethal injection," the regulations say.

The last U.S. military execution was in 1961, when President Kennedy signed off on the hanging of Army Pfc. John A. Bennett for the rape and attempted murder of an 11-year-old Austrian girl.

Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann refused to discuss details on executions when he announced Monday the Pentagon was charging the six Guantanamo detainees and seeking the death penalty.

"We are a long way from determining the details of the death penalty, and when that time comes ... we will follow the law at that time and the procedures that are in place," Hartmann said.

Eugene Fidell, a Washington defense attorney and expert on military law, said Guantanamo Bay could be an execution site, but added that the U.S. would face an international outcry.

"It would be highly controversial because a lot of the world simply doesn't believe in the death penalty any more," Fidell said.

The Bush administration has instructed U.S. diplomats abroad to defend its decision to seek the death penalty for the six men by recalling the executions of Nazi war criminals after World War II.

A four-page cable sent to U.S. embassies and obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press says that execution as punishment for extreme violations of the laws of war is internationally accepted.

The cable points to the 1945-46 Nuremberg war crimes trials in Germany. Twelve of Adolf Hitler's senior aides were sentenced to death at the trials, though not all were executed in the end.

No death chamber is known to exist at Guantanamo, but Scott Silliman, a former Air Force lawyer and who is now a Duke University professor, said the military may decide to build one there. The 2006 Army regulations also call for a viewing room to the death chamber, where at least two news media representatives would be witnesses.

The trial for the six detainees is still months away. And given the slow pace of the military commissions at Guantanamo Bay, verdicts are unlikely before President Bush leaves office next January.

The accused include Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of Sept. 11; Mohammed al-Qahtani, whom officials have labeled the 20th hijacker; and Waleed bin Attash, who investigators say selected and trained some of the 19 hijackers.

Many support the use of the death penalty for men blamed for the Sept. 11 attacks.

"If these guys are found guilty, I can't think of any other case more appropriate for the death penalty," said Charles "Cully" Stimson, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. "An overwhelming majority of Americans support the death penalty."

Michael Khambatta of the International Committee of the Red Cross said his organization would approve the death penalty only when there are "procedural and judicial guarantees that meet international standards."

Khambatta, who is the deputy head of the ICRC's Washington delegation, declined to comment publicly on whether the ICRC considers the U.S. war-crimes trials fair.

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U.S. Army execution procedures: http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/r190_55.pdf

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — If six suspected terrorists are sentenced to death at Guantanamo Bay for the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. Army regulations that were quietly amended two years ago open the poss...
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — If six suspected terrorists are sentenced to death at Guantanamo Bay for the Sept. 11 attacks, U.S. Army regulations that were quietly amended two years ago open the poss...
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- Ramirez I'm a Fan of Ramirez 267 fans permalink
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The executions will not be televised, but we can expect 24-hour coverage of the Democrats at their candlelight vigils.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 PM on 02/12/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 623 fans permalink
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Don't you hope one their heads pop off when they hang em , how cool would that be ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 PM on 02/12/2008

Now by executions, you do mean the execution of the Bill of Rights? I would not expect to see a candlelight vigil. The Democrats have been complicit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 PM on 02/12/2008

- Hey, how about PAY PER VIEW!! Crap we could do it over a long weekend and make a fortune . . . 'course after expenses the rest would go toward the Nation Debt or the Christian Survivors Of 9/11 . . . or donate it to build the GWB Lieberry . . . very cool!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/13/2008

Anyone else seeing a pattern here? Anyone who can blow the whistle on this administration is either killed or dissappears, payed off for thier silence. Basta, its time we get a chance to hear what they have to say. Notice, I didn't say give amnesty, as if they indeed were guilty, they must serve thier time. But the public must get the chance to hear who was behind all of thier actions, payed them, ect. Its the only way to see what really happened and why? Bush wants all of it to go away, which is why he passed this bill to allow for the public to be spied upon. He can't risk anyone getting the chance to blow the whistle on him or his cronies. Bush, you are transparent as hell.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 PM on 02/12/2008
- guajiro I'm a Fan of guajiro 63 fans permalink

An excellent observation!! These prisoners were never allowed to see ANYONE for some time and no one was allowed to see or visit them. Visitors are escorted by guards AT ALL TIMES, including while going to the restroom with no prisoners in sight or even while going for a walk or jog away from the prisoner compound.
There's no doubt the chimp thinks he is above the law.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/whose-head-will-roll-next_b_43422.html

Of course, the Bush cabal has had decades of practice at 'disappearing' people;

http://www.alternet.org/audits/70405/?page=2

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 PM on 02/12/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

Of course they weren't allowed to see anyone, such contact would allow them to send messages back to their people, i.e. Al Qaeda. DUH! There are gang leaders already serving life sentances in U.S. prisons who for years sent coded messages back to their crews on the streets who carried out murders on their orders. After some of these gang leaders were caught in the act, or their messages decoded, they were placed in permanent isolation, unable to communicate with the outside. Such treatment is commen sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 AM on 02/13/2008
- CharlesMac I'm a Fan of CharlesMac 15 fans permalink

"If these guys are found guilty, I can't think of any other case more appropriate for the death penalty," said Charles "Cully" Stimson, a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. "An overwhelming majority of Americans support the death penalty."

Why was this sick excuse for a human being included in this piece?

I defy anyone to research him and find him anything other than the worst of the Gitmo extremists. Most well known for publicly projecting his own compulsions onto "an overwhelming majority of Americans".

Sick.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 PM on 02/12/2008
- jimmyaj I'm a Fan of jimmyaj 5 fans permalink

I can think of a more appropriate case for the death penalty. How about for Bush and Cheney, for ignoring the warnings before 9/11 happened? Or the pre-emptive and disastrous war in Iraq? Or allowing their cronies to loot the US Treasury? Or any number of things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 02/12/2008

Kinda like what happened in Nuremberg for "crimes against humanity and war profiteering" Krupp-Haliburton??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 02/13/2008

If they do this awful thing it should be televised and make it mandatory viewing. The deaths should be on every newscast for the next week. The reason so many Americans are so fond of the death penalty is they have never seen a violent death. Watching someone die, even a bad person, is a terrible soul shattering experience. I think many people would change their minds on this cruel and extraordinary form of punishment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 PM on 02/12/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

I wouldn't feel one ounce of remorse for them if they're found guilty and put to death.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 02/12/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

Lethal injection? How about trap them in a burning building and letting them run for it. If they make it outside, the building collapses on them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:14 PM on 02/12/2008
- klmebane I'm a Fan of klmebane 18 fans permalink
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do you have any concern about the fairness of these "trials" or the accuracy of the "evidence"? what if these people are scapegoats?? we would never know, because there is no oversight at guantanamo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 02/12/2008

Lethal injection? How about putting them in a high rise that has been rigged for implosion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 02/12/2008
- johnmorgan I'm a Fan of johnmorgan 16 fans permalink

I am against the death penalty in ALL cases!

It also disgusts me that these people don't get real trials. Why is Guantanamo above US law if it's controlled by the US?

What if these men are actually innocent?

Why does our government kill people, to show us that it's wrong to kill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 PM on 02/12/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 84 fans permalink
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Good questions, johnmorgan.

Many of the Gitmo detainees are known to be innocent victims of cash rewards that our government waved before the eyes of anyone who was willing to squeal on their neighbor. Bush and Cheney got their scapegoats. The end justified the means.

This should disturb all fair-minded Americans, especially those who want revenge on the 9/ll terrorists. If we want to take the punitive road, then don't we want to punish those who were, in fact, guilty? Or, is it just about venting anger? In which case, we're not talking about justice anymore. Just emotion.

The other disturbing fact is that Bush-Cheney deliberately off-shored the detainees at Gitmo, so that Bush-Cheney could circumvent our justice system. If they truly believe they have captured the real terrorists, why deny them due process? In fact, wouldn't our government want to prove to the world that we are fair and just, and show everyone how wonderfully well a great democracy works?

These points are very disturbing, mostly because they exemplify the Bush-Cheney methods that have undermined our democracy and affected every one of us. They're corrupt to the core. Even more disturbing is that they can count on simple minded Americans to rally behind them, all in the spirit of revenge. They incite the foolhardy who are always willing to comply, and willingly compromise our freedoms.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 AM on 02/13/2008
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Yeah its great that the very people who benefitted directly from the 911 attacks get to conduct secret trials on people who were coerced to confess by torture. They have learned a lot since the Kennedy assassination. America needs War-'A New Pearl Harbor', if you will

What gets me is if there were undeniable proof of 911 being an iside job, the trolls who post here would forgive Bush and Cheney for the same cold-blooded murders that they decry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 AM on 02/13/2008
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All right, we're going to kill people! That makes us better than the terrorists because they ki.....

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... let me get back to you on that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 02/12/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

The terrorists target innocent civilians with the intention of slaughtering as many as possible. We give these guys a trial and put them to death for their crimes. THAT'S WHAT MAKES US BETTER THAN THEM! Get it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:51 PM on 02/12/2008

As opposed to dropping 500 pound bombs from 20,000 feet, killing innocent civilians by the 1000s if not 100s of 1000s, and calling it collateral damage, all to take their natural resources to feed our addiction to consumerism, greed, and selfish pursuit of our dastardly desires -- oh well, things happen in war, and we do have the responsibility of empire.

I agree, that does make us better than them.

Why do conservatives hate what America stands for, and are so willing to destroy our supposed ideals?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 AM on 02/13/2008

let me think about this . . . we pay someone a bounty to turn in these folks, hold them in isolation for years, torture them, get the truth we want and then put them on trial with secret evidence that cannot be verified with a death penalty . . . yea. I "get it" . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 AM on 02/13/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 52 fans permalink

Yup and we know that Bush loves the death penalty..m­akes him look like the great unider..oo­ps, divider...­oops, commander guy. Oh well. It makes him feel mighty and I am sure God told him. Personally I expect they do deserve a harsh sentence, but only if the trial is fair..and I am not a believer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 PM on 02/12/2008
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Someone needs to explain to me what happened to our country?

Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 PM on 02/12/2008
- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 84 fans permalink
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Execution probably gives Bush and Cheney a hard-on. It makes them think they're real men.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 02/12/2008
- TRYKER I'm a Fan of TRYKER 70 fans permalink

It is more likely another attempt by the Bush/Cheney operation to make sure there are no living witnesses to any part they played in 9/11.

If these prisoners have been tortured/w­aterboarde­d, they have information that Congress needs and should not be put to death to silence them.

Why, if this is a U.S. Base, don't the laws of the U.S. apply at Gitmo? What difference should it make, where the Base is, if its US its US.

It is incredible that any of Bushco's ideas and "rules" are given any credence whatsoever. Why is everyone so willing to follow along without protest or refusal?

Are there any "real men" left in positions of prominence in this country? Not much evidence of them at present.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 02/12/2008
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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Ah yes, execute them before the election. Witnesses are bothersome aren't they?
Figures. Bush/Cheney is going to do even more bad stuff before this is all over, folks. Mark my words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 PM on 02/12/2008

I sure didnt hear anyone complain when Tim McVey was put down...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 PM on 02/12/2008
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 52 fans permalink
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Remember due process and habeus corpus? Applied in the McVey case. That's BIG difference.

Why is it that if Bush/Cheney tells me that these people were involved in 911, I don't believe them?

Why would that be the case?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 PM on 02/12/2008
- klmebane I'm a Fan of klmebane 18 fans permalink
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tim mcvey had a "fair" trial and the opportunity to have an appeal, not to mention all of the other rights american citizens enjoy when it comes to law and being charged with crimes, that they don't get in gitmo. for all we know their attorneys aren't even allowed to review all of the evidence against them. how is THAT a fair trial?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 PM on 02/12/2008

Why not, justice don't fly from here to there.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/12/2008
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I suggest that when found guilty, they be given suicide bomb vests that are made to implode and then let them escape

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/12/2008
- Condi I'm a Fan of Condi 3 fans permalink

Great! This will help our reputation, worldwide.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:20 PM on 02/12/2008
- atlantajoe I'm a Fan of atlantajoe 8 fans permalink

your right, lets fry the bastards. The more strength we show the better. We saw what inaction under Clinton caused, Osama! If Bill would have bombed Bin Laden like he bombed Bosnia history would be much different now. Put the executions on pay per view to help pay for the war.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/12/2008
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atlantjoe:

So if we execute these guys we'll scare the all the others willing to commit suicide for their cause? How does that work? How do you frighten a suicide bomber or someone willing to fly a plane into a building?

BTW, were you one of those conservatives who were chanting "No war for Monica!" when Clinton tried to go after bin Laden?

You are right though. He never should have let the Republicans stop him from getting al Qaida. If he hadn't buckled to Republican pressure 9/11 might never have happened.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:06 PM on 02/12/2008
- johnmorgan I'm a Fan of johnmorgan 16 fans permalink

You sound like such a great Christian. Who would Jesus give a lethal injection to?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:12 PM on 02/12/2008
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Yea we should hire the Saudi headsman, find a suitable Southern Baptist church, and lop off their heads after Sunday morning services..­.that'll she the bastards! Then we o ught to take everyone who thinks like you and ship them to Saudi Arabia with a hearty good riddance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 PM on 02/12/2008
- jrb35 I'm a Fan of jrb35 14 fans permalink

atlantajoe:

Clinton did bomb Osama and the missiles missed him by a few hours. George W. Bush did absolutely nothing before 9/11 and ignored the very real threat, i.e. he waited until we were attacked before taking action.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 PM on 02/12/2008
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