Senate OKs New Rules on Eavesdropping

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PAMELA HESS | February 12, 2008 11:28 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. right, looks on as Senator Christopher Bond, R-Mo., discusses Senate action on the Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Tuesday, Feb. 12,2008, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped in the snooping after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Protection for the telecom companies is the most prominent feature of the legislation, something President Bush had insisted on as essential to getting private sector cooperation in spying on foreign terrorists and other targets. The bill would give retroactive protection to companies that acted without court permission.

The House did not include the immunity provision in a similar bill it passed last year. House Republicans now want to adopt the Senate bill, which would avoid contentious negotiations to work out differences between the competing legislation.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecom companies by people alleging violations of wiretapping and privacy laws.

Bush promised to veto any new surveillance bill that did not protect the companies, arguing that it is essential if the private sector is to give the government the help it needs.

The president called the Senate bill a good piece of legislation that allows the intelligence community to monitor communications of foreign terrorists while protecting Americans' liberties. He urged the House to pass the bill and send it to his desk without delay.

The Senate bill provides "fair and just liability protection to those private companies who have been sued for billions of dollars only because they are believed to have done the right thing and assisted the nation after the September 11th terrorist attacks," Bush said.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said Tuesday he still opposes retroactive immunity.

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"There is no basis for the broad telecommunications company amnesty provisions advocated by the administration," Conyers wrote in a letter to White House Counsel Fred Fielding asking for documents about the wiretapping program. The documents have been withheld from Congress.

The 68-29 Senate vote Tuesday to update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act belied the nearly two months of stops and starts and bitter political wrangling that preceded it. The two sides had battled to balance civil liberties with the need to conduct surveillance on potential adversaries.

At issue is the government's post-9/11 Terrorist Surveillance Program, which circumvented a secret court created 30 years ago to oversee such activities. The court was part of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a law written in response to government abuse of its surveillance authority against Americans.

The surveillance law has been updated repeatedly since then. Congress hastily adopted a FISA modification in August in the face of dire warnings from the White House that changes in telecommunications technology and FISA court rulings were dangerously constraining the government's ability to intercept terrorist communications.

Shortly after its passage, privacy and civil liberties groups said the new law gave the government unprecedented authority to spy on Americans, particularly those who communicate with foreigners.

That law, already extended once, expires Feb. 16.

Doubtful they can work out the differences in the bills by then, Democrats in both the Senate and the House prepared short-term extensions that would keep the law in effect for several more weeks. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky blocked an extension attempt Tuesday. Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said Republicans in the House would fight another extension.

The White House said Bush would not sign another 15-day extension of the law.

"The intelligence community needs this good, long-term legislation, not a patchwork of extensions," presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "The House is risking national security by delaying action, and the president will not sign another extension."

On the way to passage, the Senate rejected by a vote of 67-31 a move to strip away a grant of retroactive legal immunity for the companies. It also rejected two amendments that sought to water down the immunity provision.

One of the amendments, co-sponsored by Republican Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, would have substituted the government for the telecom companies in lawsuits, allowing the court cases to go forward but shifting the cost and burden of defending the program.

The other, pushed by California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, would have given a secret court that oversees government surveillance inside the United States the power to dismiss lawsuits if it found that the companies acted in good faith and on the request of the president or attorney general.

While giving the White House what it wanted on immunity, the Senate also expanded the power of the court to oversee government eavesdropping on Americans. The amendment would give the FISA court the authority to monitor whether the government is complying with procedures designed to protect the privacy of innocent Americans whose telephone or computer communications are captured during surveillance of a foreign target.

The bill would also require FISA court orders to eavesdrop on Americans who are overseas. Under current law, the government can wiretap or search the possessions of anyone outside the United States _ even a soldier serving overseas _ without court permission if it believes the person may be a foreign agent.

"You don't lose your rights when you leave American soil," Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said in an interview. Wyden wrote the provision into the bill when it was still being considered by the Senate Intelligence Committee. "In the digital age, an American's rights shouldn't depend on their physical geography."

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
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- Collielady I'm a Fan of Collielady 82 fans permalink
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I am stunned.

This news is just as disturbing as anything Bush has done. Harry Reid looked pathetic and wimpish today.

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark. I keep thinking that Bush gleaned lots of personally damaging tidbits before his wiretapping was discovered, and now he's "got the goods" on enough Dems to force his will.

My other theory is that the Dems have been anonymously threatened with anthrax, either in their own mail, or in their family's.

(They're ReTHUGlicans for a reason.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 AM on 02/14/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 50 fans permalink

I wonder how many americans even know what the FISA bill is? The bloggers do, but most others don't. Maybe if we said the goverment is going to require everyone to use only speaker phones, it might get their attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 02/13/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 99 fans permalink

Telecom immunity didn't just "survive." It was supported by many Senate Democrats. It was passed by "our" politicians who for bizarre reasons seem to think they have the constitutional right to take away from the citizens our constitutional rights?? Where do they get that?

I have a right against unreasonable search and seizure, and no warrant shall issue except on probable cause. Meaning the government cannot come into my home or "intercept" my communications, in any way, or otherwise search my personal information, except on probable cause that a crime has been committed and that I have evidence, or I was involved.

They can't just ransack my house because they're curious. Or because they're afraid.

And when a private business does it, it's even worse. There's no government authority backing them. They're not a government agency. It's like Joe Dude walked up the driveway, broke in, ransacked my stuff, took my personal information, then posted it online for all his friends to see.

It's illegal conduct. I'm entitled to sue to enforce my rights and collect damages for their violation, and to get an injunction against the government trampling on my constitutional rights.

And in the process, I'm entitled to discover exactly what fascist in the government decided this was the right thing to do.

But because the senate Democrats were given enormous bribes from the telcom industry, they sold us out. They sold out the citizens. They sold out our constitution in exchange for money in their pockets.

With the notable exception of the good ones, Sen. Feingold and Dodd leading the charge of the good guys.

When the Senate campaign committee asks you for money, tell them no. Not one penny.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 02/13/2008
- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

I agree with you 100%. I'm seriously considering changing parties, for all the reasons you cite above as well as their complete disregard for those in the party that would actually be representatives of the people: Kucinich, Gravel, etc. I'm voting for Gravel. Whether he's on a Democratic ticket or Third Party. Now that they have Kucinich on the ropes fighting to keep his congressional seat, it is extremely clear that most of the elected officials in the Democratic party sold out long ago. I just wish everyone would wake up to the fact that neither Obama nor Clinton are the right ones to save this country. They will be more of the same. I guarantee it.

I really appreciate Dodd for all he has been doing trying to get rid of retroactive immunity. We need to get rid of every senator that voted in favor of this bill. EVERY ONE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 PM on 02/13/2008

Huzzah!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 PM on 02/13/2008

I keep going back and forth between bribes and blackmail. There probably isn't a senator or congressperson who hasn't had their phones tapped, at work, at home, on their cell phones, everywhere. Who would be the first victims of this kind of spying? Elected representatives of the Democratic party, would be my guess.
I wish they would all stand up and say, "I am being blackmailed. Please help." My guess is that no one is being told that some big secret is going to be exposed about his/her past. Much more powerful is the "offer you can't refuse." Something about a son, or daughter, or nephew, or father, or sister-in-law. Something that would ruin that person's life - a mistake or bad judgment somewhere at sometime. "Just play along, and no one gets hurt." Remember when the press secretary told a member of the White House press corp that (in effect) "we know where your kids go to school." Just a friendly comment or a threat?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:21 PM on 02/13/2008

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. right, looks on as Senator Christopher Bond, R-Mo., discusses Senate action on the Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Tuesday, Feb. 12,2008, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)

NOT!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/13/2008
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Good catch!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 02/13/2008
- aicon I'm a Fan of aicon 8 fans permalink
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Ms Golub is standing up to Nancy Pelosi! a brave candidate must step forward to make thatchallenge a reality, and in the 8th Congressional district ShirleyGolub has answered the call of destiny in her heart to make thathappen. And Shirley has posted the most amazing video ever saw tothrow down that challenge, and you can see it at this page.
Shirley Golub "I'm On The Table" Video: http://www.shirley08.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:41 PM on 02/13/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

I think we should all be careful what we write on these pages -- speaking the truth might be morphed into aiding and abetting terrorists.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/13/2008
- aicon I'm a Fan of aicon 8 fans permalink
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Geez. you guys in this country keep taking it and taking it, and Feinstein and Pelosi and Reid give a damn about you all. if you live in the SF area you can do something every Thursday at noon.

Ms Golub is standing up to Nancy Pelosi! a brave candidate must step forward to make that
challenge a reality, and in the 8th Congressional district Shirley
Golub has answered the call of destiny in her heart to make that
happen. And Shirley has posted the most amazing video ever saw to
throw down that challenge, and you can see it at this page.

Shirley Golub "I'm On The Table" Video: http://www.shirley08.com

What Shirley is doing is leading a weekly demonstration in front of
Nancy Pelosi's district office, every Thursday at noon, at 450 Golden
Gate Ave, to literally put herself on the table and say, "I'm on the
table, Nancy, and as long as I am, impeachment is too."

SPREAD THE WORD !!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/13/2008
- DebbieKat I'm a Fan of DebbieKat 8 fans permalink

I will personally donate to Shirley's campaign. It's time to ditch pelosi. She's worthless.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:09 PM on 02/13/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

This was Reids House It time to take the Whip from Harry Reid And Speaker Pelosi

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 PM on 02/13/2008
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Mitch McConnell, ... Harry Reid, ... (photo caption) Can't tell the difference really! Must belong to the same club.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/13/2008

I am angry with my Senator, Diane Feinstien. I hope she does not run for re-election. I will not vote for her again. We need elected officials who put the America people and the Constition ahead of the protection of law breaking corporations, no how large, wealthy or powerful these companies may be. It's elected officials like her who make voting seem like a futile waste of time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/13/2008

Don't wait for the next election. Take action on this now. Petition the House to block this unforgivable legislation.

http://action.firedoglake.com/page/petition/RestoreFISA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/13/2008
- geobushono I'm a Fan of geobushono 15 fans permalink

feinstein was predictabl­e.....Virg­inia voters need to groom a new forward thinking individual for webbs' Seat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/13/2008
- mojaveblue I'm a Fan of mojaveblue 5 fans permalink
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LVguy, Unless I am mistaking , Feinstien along with Boxer voted no. You can find their votes on the Senate website.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 02/13/2008

Feinstein voted with the GOP, Boxer didn't vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/13/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 251 fans permalink

Perhaps you are remembering Fiengold, who voted against the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/13/2008
- williamina I'm a Fan of williamina 7 fans permalink

Ahh I love a good moonbat punking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 02/13/2008

Once again the will of The People has been defaulted.

I must have sent in a hundred letters to congress telling them not to support this. I guess we must face it now, that We have absolutely no say in anything anymore..


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/13/2008
- l.blissett I'm a Fan of l.blissett 5 fans permalink

we have a say as consumers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 PM on 02/13/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Not really - they decide what should be labeled - that is why we will be getting cloned meat and milk with extra antibiotics, radiactivated foods for longer shelf life and strange bio hybrid foods.
And since most are stuff is from China - who knows what it contains

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/13/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 24 fans permalink
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That's absolutely correct.

Plus, the Media suppresses this information, by BARELY mentioning it.

On Morning Joe today, "ONE SENTENCE" was devoted to it, paraphrased, The senate passed the bill retroactively granting immunity to the telecom industry. THAT WAS IT and then quickly moved on to a different subject.

It was said in such a monotone voice, that if you weren't ACTIVELY listening, you would have missed it - THAT was the INTENT.

Only those few tortured souls, as ourselves, who ACTIVELY PAY ATTENTION, Know what's going on.

With the masses remaining ignorant, our politicians have learned that they CAN EASILY Keep getting reelected with a few condescending sound bites.

The MEDIA controls the message, that's why JOHN EDWARDS got so little air time - he was ANTI-CORPORATE influence in our govt.

The Corporations RULE our GOVERNMENT, and that won't change unless the Public Wakes Up - which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/13/2008

Representative democracy works!

"Now and then sanity prevails, even in Washington. So it did yesterday as the Senate passed a warrantless wiretap bill for overseas terrorists while killing most of the Lilliputian attempts to tie down our war fighters.

"We lost every single battle we had on this bill," conceded Chris Dodd, which ought to tell the Connecticut Senator something about the logic of what he was proposing. His own amendment -- to deny immunity from lawsuits to telecom companies that cooperated with the government after 9/11 -- didn't even get a third of the Senate. It lost 67-31, though notably among the 31 was possible Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama. (Hillary Clinton was absent, while John McCain voted in favor.)"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 02/13/2008

Consider the source; the comment and whoever re "sanity."

Politics driven by logic. Have you considered stand-up?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/13/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

yeah it works ...for lobbyists and corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 02/13/2008
- Oldchef I'm a Fan of Oldchef 2 fans permalink

I am apalled and horrified that so many Senators have abandoned their oath to defend the Constitution. The FISA act was originally passed to provide a legal and confidential way for the government to wiretap and/or otherwise surveille foreign agents operating in the U.S. with legal safeguards for our citizens, by having a judge determine if the operations are legally justified. This was after revelations about serious constitutional violations by the Nixon administration in spying on citizens they considered enemies. From what little has been revealed about the present program, it seems this administration is even worse b y many degrees of magnitude, yet our elected officials are giving this administration a pass. WTF?

The big questions, which is being ignored, is WHAT WAS THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE SPYING PROGRAM STARTED 6 MONTHS BEFORE 9/11??? The justifications put forth by the government all cite 9/11 as their justification for extraordinary measures to track terrorists, but we're told by whistle-blowers in the telecom industry that the data mining and wholesale monitoring of ALL communications was begun well before 9/11. It seems to me that any program started before 9/11 is clearly illegal. With this immunity, it seems now that we will never find out, since it will never go to a court. I am ashamed that one of my Senators voted for this horrible bill and I only hope that the House will show more courage than the Senate and refuse immunity for the crooks in the administration and the telecom executives who enable them (as long as they pay the bills).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/13/2008
- rfstevens I'm a Fan of rfstevens 6 fans permalink
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That did it for me. I am voting straight Republican next time out. Of course, they are the equivalent of pond scum but at least they are open about. Edwards and Kucinich were right, the corruption is go deep, so pervasive, there's no f%#%ing hope for this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:17 AM on 02/13/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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And even less f%#%ing hope if you vote Republican. You cannot possibly be an Edwards or Kucinich supporter any more than Rush Limbaugh is going to donate money to Hillary Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/13/2008
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Oh yes, he can and so can I.

I've voted in every primary and general election and in all I voted Democrat. FOr the first time in my life (35 years of voting) I am thinking about voting republican.

The Dems have become as corrupt as the republicans. There is no longer any real distinguishable difference.

Even Obama wants to increase the size of the military by 100K. For what? I can vote for McWar and get better results if that's what we needed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 02/13/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 24 fans permalink
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They're both ant-American, it's just the Republican's got the Dems beat by a centimeter.

So, I'd reconsider my decision stemming from your frustration.

Let's bring in a third party, cause the ones we have don't work anymore - at least, NOT for the American people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/13/2008
- geneven I'm a Fan of geneven 6 fans permalink

Right, let's bring in a third party -- the Republicans need more Supreme Court votes, and that will give them to the GOP -- just like Nader did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 PM on 02/13/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Not sure what logic you're using- but maybe if we just keep letting the Repugs win , those supposedly representing the us will start to pay attention.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 02/13/2008
- DavidF07 I'm a Fan of DavidF07 4 fans permalink

Where is the list of telecom companies that refused to cooperate with the BushCo violation of our privacy? Where is the list of companies that participated? I may need to change carriers.

Yes, I get the irony that I am seeking to trust a corporation, rather than constitutional limitations on my government, to protect my privacy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/13/2008
- l.blissett I'm a Fan of l.blissett 5 fans permalink

try credo: http://www.credomobile.com/

there are others out there as well.

yeah, the irony is quite thick isn't it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/13/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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Thanks for the link. Credo is an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) The customer interacts with the Credo, but calls are completed by one of the carriers who operates the network. As they sell CDMA phones, they most likely work with Sprint or Verizon, maybe Alltel (certainly not AT&T or T-Mobile)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 02/13/2008
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