Senate OKs New Rules on Eavesdropping

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PAMELA HESS | February 12, 2008 11:28 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. right, looks on as Senator Christopher Bond, R-Mo., discusses Senate action on the Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Tuesday, Feb. 12,2008, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped in the snooping after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Protection for the telecom companies is the most prominent feature of the legislation, something President Bush had insisted on as essential to getting private sector cooperation in spying on foreign terrorists and other targets. The bill would give retroactive protection to companies that acted without court permission.

The House did not include the immunity provision in a similar bill it passed last year. House Republicans now want to adopt the Senate bill, which would avoid contentious negotiations to work out differences between the competing legislation.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecom companies by people alleging violations of wiretapping and privacy laws.

Bush promised to veto any new surveillance bill that did not protect the companies, arguing that it is essential if the private sector is to give the government the help it needs.

The president called the Senate bill a good piece of legislation that allows the intelligence community to monitor communications of foreign terrorists while protecting Americans' liberties. He urged the House to pass the bill and send it to his desk without delay.

The Senate bill provides "fair and just liability protection to those private companies who have been sued for billions of dollars only because they are believed to have done the right thing and assisted the nation after the September 11th terrorist attacks," Bush said.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said Tuesday he still opposes retroactive immunity.

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"There is no basis for the broad telecommunications company amnesty provisions advocated by the administration," Conyers wrote in a letter to White House Counsel Fred Fielding asking for documents about the wiretapping program. The documents have been withheld from Congress.

The 68-29 Senate vote Tuesday to update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act belied the nearly two months of stops and starts and bitter political wrangling that preceded it. The two sides had battled to balance civil liberties with the need to conduct surveillance on potential adversaries.

At issue is the government's post-9/11 Terrorist Surveillance Program, which circumvented a secret court created 30 years ago to oversee such activities. The court was part of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a law written in response to government abuse of its surveillance authority against Americans.

The surveillance law has been updated repeatedly since then. Congress hastily adopted a FISA modification in August in the face of dire warnings from the White House that changes in telecommunications technology and FISA court rulings were dangerously constraining the government's ability to intercept terrorist communications.

Shortly after its passage, privacy and civil liberties groups said the new law gave the government unprecedented authority to spy on Americans, particularly those who communicate with foreigners.

That law, already extended once, expires Feb. 16.

Doubtful they can work out the differences in the bills by then, Democrats in both the Senate and the House prepared short-term extensions that would keep the law in effect for several more weeks. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky blocked an extension attempt Tuesday. Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said Republicans in the House would fight another extension.

The White House said Bush would not sign another 15-day extension of the law.

"The intelligence community needs this good, long-term legislation, not a patchwork of extensions," presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "The House is risking national security by delaying action, and the president will not sign another extension."

On the way to passage, the Senate rejected by a vote of 67-31 a move to strip away a grant of retroactive legal immunity for the companies. It also rejected two amendments that sought to water down the immunity provision.

One of the amendments, co-sponsored by Republican Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, would have substituted the government for the telecom companies in lawsuits, allowing the court cases to go forward but shifting the cost and burden of defending the program.

The other, pushed by California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, would have given a secret court that oversees government surveillance inside the United States the power to dismiss lawsuits if it found that the companies acted in good faith and on the request of the president or attorney general.

While giving the White House what it wanted on immunity, the Senate also expanded the power of the court to oversee government eavesdropping on Americans. The amendment would give the FISA court the authority to monitor whether the government is complying with procedures designed to protect the privacy of innocent Americans whose telephone or computer communications are captured during surveillance of a foreign target.

The bill would also require FISA court orders to eavesdrop on Americans who are overseas. Under current law, the government can wiretap or search the possessions of anyone outside the United States _ even a soldier serving overseas _ without court permission if it believes the person may be a foreign agent.

"You don't lose your rights when you leave American soil," Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said in an interview. Wyden wrote the provision into the bill when it was still being considered by the Senate Intelligence Committee. "In the digital age, an American's rights shouldn't depend on their physical geography."

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
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It's not what they say that's important. It's how they vote. Remember that next time one of these distinguished people tell you that they're on your side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/12/2008
- Marrob I'm a Fan of Marrob 5 fans permalink

I wonder who voted and how??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/12/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 122 fans permalink
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Here's the disgusting tally: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00

Thanks to toosinbeymen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 02/12/2008
- roald I'm a Fan of roald 16 fans permalink

See
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&se

then call or write to express your appreciation or concern.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/12/2008
- JJinWI I'm a Fan of JJinWI 8 fans permalink
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This is a travesty of injustice against the American people. Those who voted for immunity should be thrown out of the Senate!

My greatest respects to Senator Dodd for his attempt to stop this madness. Americans should
stand up and applaud him for his efforts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/12/2008
- ptarantino I'm a Fan of ptarantino 8 fans permalink

I don't get Jim Webb's vote either? WTF

Looks like Obama did the right thing & Clinton did not vote.

These pricks care more about Big Business then people

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:30 PM on 02/12/2008
- outnow I'm a Fan of outnow 183 fans permalink

Jim Webb still believes that we did the right thing in Vietnam. He used to be a rethug. He is good on some issues and bad on others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/12/2008

He was high on my VP list. Hmmmmmmm..­.????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 02/12/2008
- barkingcat I'm a Fan of barkingcat 7 fans permalink
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Does anyone know offhand if the House version of this also grants retroactive immunity to the telecoms?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/12/2008

No -- at least that's what it says in the article...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/12/2008

What an absolutely sad statement that there has been no comments to the destruction of our constitution. That the dem controlled congress has legalized and provided immunity to the phone companies that broke our laws. Yet there has been no reaction. Maybe that's why America is quickly becoming a FASCIST state. People are more interested in American Idol, then in our rights as citizens. Well America we get the gov't we deserve, and it's clear we deserve the fascist police state that is speeding our way. Here's hoping that you and yours don't get sent to the gulags.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/12/2008
- cynara I'm a Fan of cynara 14 fans permalink

The news just broke. And, yes, there will be public outcry and hopefully, one of the DINOs careers will be put in jeopardy.

That said, this is a sad statement of how out of touch DC democrats are with the views of their constituents. Telephone company immunity is incredibly unpopular in the general US (especially here in CA), yet in the DC bubble they just can't seem to grasp what could be wrong with shredding the 4th amendment to the bill of rights. And the precedent this sets, the horrible precedent - it is okay to break the law as long as you are in collusion with the government, and don't question government orders, no matter how unlawful they obviously appear (enter Joe Nacchio as the example of what happens to people who dare stand up for the bill of rights...)­.

DC just doesn't get it. And there will be hell to pay. I just wish it didn't have to come to this.

I, along with thousands of other people, called Feinstein, repeatedly throughout this drama. I'm going to guess that she got AT LEAST 5,000 phone calls and emails, urging, begging her to not support telecom immunity. No citizens called to ask her to support it. And she just didn't care. Next step - censure her, and get her out of her post on Senate committees, and do everything possible so she and the rest of the DINOs can no longer trash our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 02/12/2008
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Yes cynara,

Feinstein never disappoints does she?

She raises the hair on the back of my neck that one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 02/12/2008

Dude go to Chris Dodd's web page and find the video of his floor speech last night. While everyone was watching Anderson Cooper with a full belly, Dodd pretty much laid it out - the USA is a Fascist State!

God please give the HOUSE a backbone and take this out in committee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 02/12/2008
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

I don't understand Jim Webb's vote . . . the others are all DLC scum . . . very proud of my two Senators . . . and guess what hillary didn't vote but Obama did!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/12/2008
- Marrob I'm a Fan of Marrob 5 fans permalink

If what you say is true regarding Hillary and
obama, am sure we'll read about here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/12/2008
- Marrob I'm a Fan of Marrob 5 fans permalink

Obama didn't vote for Kly/Lieberman, what's your point? And remember, according to Obama, Kly/Lieberman couls lead us to war in Iran.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/12/2008

This vote makes Kly/Lieberman look like a French poodle!

Basically the Congress just took the courts out of government!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/12/2008
- lynnn I'm a Fan of lynnn 42 fans permalink

Yea but Hillary voted for it. So that means she wants war w/Iran. God you are pathetic, Hillary does not care about you. She'll screw us all over if given the chance. You are either a paid fascist blogger or truly delusional.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/12/2008

I remember Hillary voting to up her "gravitas" quotient and voting for it. Obama made a statement that he was opposed to Kyl-Leiberman. Any chance that we will hear from Hillary where she stands on this one. I doubt it cause it might lower her "gravitas" quotient.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 02/12/2008
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I WAS SURPRISE AT WEBB TOO, WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 02/12/2008
- KaAp I'm a Fan of KaAp 21 fans permalink

Webb was Reagan's secretary of the Navy a moderate (read right wing) democrat ... like Clinton ... I am sick of this --- they all must be ousted ... we need to get our constitution back ...
We need to take our country back ... we cannot get their with Clinton she will help US OBAMA on the contrary asks for our participation for us all to try and write the next chapter in our history ... certainly this form of fascism is the darkest in our history ---

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:51 PM on 02/12/2008
- Grunty1 I'm a Fan of Grunty1 222 fans permalink

The same usual suspects. Everyone who voted for this farce needs to be tossed out on their asses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/12/2008
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