Senate OKs New Rules on Eavesdropping

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PAMELA HESS | February 12, 2008 11:28 PM EST | AP

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nev. right, looks on as Senator Christopher Bond, R-Mo., discusses Senate action on the Foreign intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), Tuesday, Feb. 12,2008, during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP Photo/Dennis Cook)

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity to telecommunications companies that helped in the snooping after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

Protection for the telecom companies is the most prominent feature of the legislation, something President Bush had insisted on as essential to getting private sector cooperation in spying on foreign terrorists and other targets. The bill would give retroactive protection to companies that acted without court permission.

The House did not include the immunity provision in a similar bill it passed last year. House Republicans now want to adopt the Senate bill, which would avoid contentious negotiations to work out differences between the competing legislation.

About 40 lawsuits have been filed against telecom companies by people alleging violations of wiretapping and privacy laws.

Bush promised to veto any new surveillance bill that did not protect the companies, arguing that it is essential if the private sector is to give the government the help it needs.

The president called the Senate bill a good piece of legislation that allows the intelligence community to monitor communications of foreign terrorists while protecting Americans' liberties. He urged the House to pass the bill and send it to his desk without delay.

The Senate bill provides "fair and just liability protection to those private companies who have been sued for billions of dollars only because they are believed to have done the right thing and assisted the nation after the September 11th terrorist attacks," Bush said.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers said Tuesday he still opposes retroactive immunity.

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"There is no basis for the broad telecommunications company amnesty provisions advocated by the administration," Conyers wrote in a letter to White House Counsel Fred Fielding asking for documents about the wiretapping program. The documents have been withheld from Congress.

The 68-29 Senate vote Tuesday to update the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act belied the nearly two months of stops and starts and bitter political wrangling that preceded it. The two sides had battled to balance civil liberties with the need to conduct surveillance on potential adversaries.

At issue is the government's post-9/11 Terrorist Surveillance Program, which circumvented a secret court created 30 years ago to oversee such activities. The court was part of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, a law written in response to government abuse of its surveillance authority against Americans.

The surveillance law has been updated repeatedly since then. Congress hastily adopted a FISA modification in August in the face of dire warnings from the White House that changes in telecommunications technology and FISA court rulings were dangerously constraining the government's ability to intercept terrorist communications.

Shortly after its passage, privacy and civil liberties groups said the new law gave the government unprecedented authority to spy on Americans, particularly those who communicate with foreigners.

That law, already extended once, expires Feb. 16.

Doubtful they can work out the differences in the bills by then, Democrats in both the Senate and the House prepared short-term extensions that would keep the law in effect for several more weeks. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky blocked an extension attempt Tuesday. Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the senior Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, said Republicans in the House would fight another extension.

The White House said Bush would not sign another 15-day extension of the law.

"The intelligence community needs this good, long-term legislation, not a patchwork of extensions," presidential spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "The House is risking national security by delaying action, and the president will not sign another extension."

On the way to passage, the Senate rejected by a vote of 67-31 a move to strip away a grant of retroactive legal immunity for the companies. It also rejected two amendments that sought to water down the immunity provision.

One of the amendments, co-sponsored by Republican Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island, would have substituted the government for the telecom companies in lawsuits, allowing the court cases to go forward but shifting the cost and burden of defending the program.

The other, pushed by California Democrat Dianne Feinstein, would have given a secret court that oversees government surveillance inside the United States the power to dismiss lawsuits if it found that the companies acted in good faith and on the request of the president or attorney general.

While giving the White House what it wanted on immunity, the Senate also expanded the power of the court to oversee government eavesdropping on Americans. The amendment would give the FISA court the authority to monitor whether the government is complying with procedures designed to protect the privacy of innocent Americans whose telephone or computer communications are captured during surveillance of a foreign target.

The bill would also require FISA court orders to eavesdrop on Americans who are overseas. Under current law, the government can wiretap or search the possessions of anyone outside the United States _ even a soldier serving overseas _ without court permission if it believes the person may be a foreign agent.

"You don't lose your rights when you leave American soil," Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said in an interview. Wyden wrote the provision into the bill when it was still being considered by the Senate Intelligence Committee. "In the digital age, an American's rights shouldn't depend on their physical geography."

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
WASHINGTON — The Senate on Tuesday approved new rules for government eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails, giving the White House much of the latitude it wanted and granting legal immunity t...
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- research I'm a Fan of research 251 fans permalink

F you DLC.ORG dems~!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:56 PM on 02/12/2008
- mojaveblue I'm a Fan of mojaveblue 5 fans permalink
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What does the Bush Whitehouse have on these so called public servants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 02/12/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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The terrorist threat and scared Americans...

Thats all they need to take your rights away from you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/12/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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Nothing. They are all owned, just like Bush is. Our Politicians are nothing more than machines owned and operated by the corporate elite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/12/2008
- research I'm a Fan of research 251 fans permalink

That's WHY BuchCo needed to wiretap.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 AM on 02/13/2008
- colariz I'm a Fan of colariz 3 fans permalink

So many emotions upon hearing this news. I'm furious. Sick to my stomach. Ashamed of my Senator, Ken Salazar (CO). Disappointed in my fellow Americans for either being too dense to understand this issue or too apathetic to give a damn. Frustrated that no one in any position of authority seems able or interested in stemming the slow decline of civil rights in this country. Disgusted (but not surprised) that even if this vote gets mentioned on the evening news (highly unlikely), it will only receive 1/10th of the time & attention devoted to Britney's latest public foible. Outraged on behalf of the Founding Fathers, who would not recognize the country they thought they left for us. Confused about what to do next, short of standing on the Senate steps and egging every old white man that walks by. Still moderately hopeful about Obama's chances to make a difference. Increasingly worried about what slimy trap awaits him in the general election. Despondent that I may have to leave this great land I love if it continues to dissolve like this. Mildly excited about the thought of moving to Canada. Slightly more excited about Europe. Worried about calling anyone on my cell phone to vent. Wondering, who's listening now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 02/12/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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The lack of spine in democratic candidates on this vote is sickening.
I dont know if their scared of a backlash if we're attacked again or what. But the lack of leadership and vision on this issue is unacceptable to me.
What have we been fighting and dying for, for centuries if not to protect our childrens rights?
And now in our life time its slipping away.
I am disgusted at our "leaders" and mad as hell!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:03 PM on 02/12/2008

This vote tells all
Ron Paul B4 it's 2 late

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/12/2008

Just remember that in a Muslim country they put a woman in prison for giving her Teddy Bear a religious name. In Saudia Arabis they arrested a woman who had been raped because she brought "shame" to her family for being in a car with men who weren't related to her.Some women in the middle east are killed for adultery. In Africa women and young girls are raped and killed frequently.

So it's not that some Americans "don't care" or are "apathetic" about this issue. It's just that some of us think there are worse things that could be happening to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:15 PM on 02/12/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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What prey tell is more important than this country as a leader of democracy and the constitution around the planet taking away our rights?

And as far as comparing America to third world dictators and Kings is disturbing. Is this what its come too.
Being satisfied with the quidproquo because hey, it could always be worse?

I guess Alqueda won folks.





    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 PM on 02/12/2008

Nicole,

America needs to get it's own house in order before we start trying to help others clean up theirs.

It's hard to set an example of what not to do for others when you're breaking law yourself.

Just a bit hypocritical.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/13/2008
- nihilon x I'm a Fan of nihilon x 39 fans permalink

I'm listening close enough to remind everyone that Obama can't change anything by himself.

Don't stress too much -- there was life and liberty before Bush, and there will be life and liberty once more when he's gone.

And with any luck, put on trial as well.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 02/12/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

Are the Democrats as bad as the Republicans?

Would you rather be stung by a scorpion, or a jellyfish?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 02/12/2008

They're worse. At least the Republicans are openly sharks, and make no bones about it. Look at how they vote, as a unit...like a virus. Now you can't hate a shark, or a virus, because they simply are what they are...top predators in their realms. But the Democrats are more like lesser predators, say jellyfish, that secretly want to be sharks, but are too lame and slimy to be vertebrates. Slimy, spineless, amoral, unethical, lower order predators who can't even slow down the Great Whites that are the true power in the legislature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 PM on 02/12/2008
- rixhex56 I'm a Fan of rixhex56 15 fans permalink

Looking at the list of votes, I notice that ONLY Dems voted against this bill. I am concluding at this point that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by non-Dems, and they are the representatives betraying us.

NO, Dems are NOT as bad as Republicans. But the issue really is more about Progressives versus Conservatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 02/12/2008
- syllepsis I'm a Fan of syllepsis 24 fans permalink

Enough Dems voted against this to make it look like they cared.
As for Progressivism: The biggest obstacle to a Progressive movement in this country is a Democratic party that being lower on the food chain than their Republican role models, must feed off the hopes of the people.
This party must go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:06 PM on 02/12/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 146 fans permalink

At some point, one just questions the idea of having an opposition party at all. If Democrats just cave in again and again regarding the loss of our civil liberties to a president at 30% in the ratings and whose own party does not mention his name, then what is the point?

If the Democrats can not take a principled stand on this issue, where and when will they ever take such a stand? How are they always so cowered by Bush's belligerency, his arrogance, his inflexibility? We need Democratic leaders with some gumption. Being pushovers is no dignified way to win elections.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 02/12/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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I think this is just a game of good cop bad cop.
They take turns doing the dirty deeds for their corporate owners. One time the demborats do it. Next time it will be the rethuglicans. And the next time it will be the president. then it starts all over again. It makes it appear more realistic this way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:31 PM on 02/12/2008

exactly how they* do it

*Global elite
see(google B4 GE buys)
Illuminati
CFR
TLC
PNAC
Club of Rome
Freedom from Facsism
Terror Storm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 02/12/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 146 fans permalink

I am afraid I just can not agree with the whole corporate ownership ideology. Raising the minimum wage probably does not help corporate owners, health care may not. In fact, both of those issues likely reduce the bottom line for corporations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:01 PM on 02/12/2008

Thanks for taking away more of my liberty.

FU.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 02/12/2008

Doncha just love how the Kool-Aid chugglers rationalize the gutting of yet another bedrock piece of the Bill of Rights -- the right to not be subjected to unreasonable (i.e. warrantless) searches?

Wouldn'tcha just love to see their reaction if Duhbya, or a future Preznit, summarily eliminated, say, the SECOND Amendment?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 02/12/2008
- realpolitic I'm a Fan of realpolitic 146 fans permalink

Are not Republicans the guys who always say they believe in freedom and liberty? How free are we if someone is listening to our phone calls and reading our emails supposedly for our own protection. I would rather take my chances.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 02/12/2008
- skyhead I'm a Fan of skyhead 2 fans permalink

Um, before the Obama fan club gets too carried away with another round of Hillary bashing, maybe someone should point out that Obama skipped out on the actual vote on this monstrosity of a bill. Obama was there earlier, made himself look good by voting for the ammendment to strip out telco immunity, and voted against cloture, but then when he knew there was going to be a floor vote on the bill, he didn't show up!!! Why didn't he show back up in the Senate after lunchtime? He was there when they voted to cut off debate and send the bill to the floor. He knew there would be a vote on the full bill after lunch, and he didn't come back to stand against telecom immunity when it really counted!!! When the rubber met the road, and it really counted, he was not there to vote against telco immunity and warrantless wiretapping, just exactly like Hillary. Why?! And since he wasn't there to vote against the bill, can anyone really honestly say that Obama stood against telecom immunity, and George Bush's warrantless wiretapping??? Okay Obama apologists, start spinning!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/12/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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He voted against the Bill today Hillary did not.
I am certainly not an Obama apologist but this is extremely important and she couldnt make a phone call. Why?
That deeply disturbs me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:27 PM on 02/12/2008
- skyhead I'm a Fan of skyhead 2 fans permalink

http://tinyurl.com/367jyn

Yes, this is extremely important, and that is why I am disturbed by Obama supporters only seeing what they want to see. Obama voted for the ammendement to strip immunity from the bill, but that ammendment failed. Then he voted against cutting off debate and sending the bill to the floor for a vote. Then, they scheduled the vote on the bill for after lunch, and he didn't show. Check the official vote on S.2248, he was not there. I think it is reprehensible that Clinton and Obama could not be counted on to vote against this bill. And I am disgusted that Obama showed up to vote on the ammendments in a way that made him look good, and then skipped out on the ACTUAL VOTE ON THE BILL!!! When he could have really stood against warrantless wiretapping and telecom immunity, he had more important things to do and didn't vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 02/12/2008
- pleeezzze I'm a Fan of pleeezzze 6 fans permalink

You are'nt too disturbed !! Obama did not follow thru with the vote,Why not ????
Is that because that requires a commitment ??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/12/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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Thats ok Indyfromny. radicalist Hillary supporters, like rethuglicans, dont worry themselves with the facts.

FYI. I dont like Hillary or Obama, or McCain, Or Huckilberry. I dont like corporate politicians.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 02/12/2008
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 51 fans permalink
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Obama did not vote against the bill today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 02/12/2008
- maggieb I'm a Fan of maggieb 4 fans permalink

You are an apologist for Obama, seen you doing it over and over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 02/13/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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This is the final nail in the coffin for Hillary getting my vote.I will vote for Obama. The only candidate who has proven he will protect my Constitutional rights.
I actually wrote her several E-mails as she is my Senator.
All for naught. She has offended me beyond repair.
Wonder how much money she took from the telecommunication companies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 02/12/2008
- Meah I'm a Fan of Meah 51 fans permalink
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I don't think he voted.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 02/12/2008
- pbfishtaco I'm a Fan of pbfishtaco 12 fans permalink
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CLINTON: No vote on retroactive immunity.

Are you watching this "superdupe­rdelegates­"? You count for 10,000 of us normal democrats, and no one voted for some of you, too. Sounds more like the Politburo...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 02/12/2008
- loki I'm a Fan of loki 128 fans permalink
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Yes, looks like the superdelegates could pull a supreme court maneuver and place the least popular on the throne.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 02/12/2008

Hillary has just handed Obama a club to hit her over the head with by not showing up for this vote. I don't know what she was thinking today, I guess she isn't a "calculating" as people give her credit for. She couldn't have tossed a better softball to the Obama campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 02/12/2008

Thank you to the following Senators who bothered to take a stand against this bullshit immunity for the telecommunication companies.

Akaka (D-HI)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/12/2008
- LAcarlito I'm a Fan of LAcarlito 7 fans permalink

why do bloggers to this site keep putting Obama on this list? My list from the official US Senate website shows that Obama was "not present."

I am pro-Obama, but we should get the facts straight. Here is the Senate website that shows the vote tally:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00020

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 02/12/2008
- Indyfromny I'm a Fan of Indyfromny 17 fans permalink
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The list shows Obama voting No to this bill.
Voting No is the point.
Could he have done more? Yes, and he should have. But Hillary did nothing. Thats the point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 02/12/2008

I think people got confused by the votes leading up to the final vote. There was vote to strip the telecom immunity from the Bill that Obama voted for while Hillary didn't vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 02/12/2008
- sammy333 I'm a Fan of sammy333 4 fans permalink

guys, guys, there were two votes (see www.senate.gov, click on Votes):

00019, and 00020. One on passage of the Bill and second on the cloture motion. Obama voted against immunity in 00019 and was not present for 00020.
Hillary did not vote against the immunity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 PM on 02/12/2008
- KaAp I'm a Fan of KaAp 21 fans permalink

Check the Dodd Amendment which was the one that was significant ... and he was there

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 02/13/2008
- siri2k I'm a Fan of siri2k 3 fans permalink
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ummm excuse me, but that looks like a pic of Bond's luvah boy McConnell looking on, Reid was too busy working on Bu$h's next marching orders to be available for a photo op.
siri@legitgov.org

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 02/12/2008
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Constitution, meet slippery slope. Slippery slope, meet Constitution.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/12/2008

Those 67 Senators make me sick, they are a bunch of sellouts who deserve the scorn of the people they are supposed to represent. If these Telecoms did nothing illegal then they wouldn't be found guilty by a court of law so what would they be worried about? Today is a dark day in the history of America and one that will hasten this country movement toward a facist state.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 PM on 02/12/2008
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Reminds me of what Republicans kept telling us over and over and over as they were passing the Patriot Act.

"If you don't have anything to hide, what are you worried about?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/12/2008

That's EXACTLY why we should put secret videocameras into every Senator's bedroom who voted NAY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 02/12/2008
- tbone99 I'm a Fan of tbone99 88 fans permalink

Even I've learned from watching tv dramas thay you can't record someone without their permission - How could these corporations with lawyers up the whazoo have concluded this was legal.?

Of course they knew it wasn't legal but under the "small govn't" Repugs and their lapdog Dems( yes Hilary, I mean YOU) we now follow the rules of the old Romanian Constitution.

Just today I heard how ATT, amongst others, received a ruling from the Treasury Dept allowing them to cash out their older workers pensions to much less than their value, to the tune of billions.

Corporations 1,001
Citizens 0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 02/12/2008
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