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Clemens Takes His Lumps on Capitol Hill

RONALD BLUM and HOWARD FENDRICH   02/13/08 11:59 PM ET   AP

Roger Clemens

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without looking at Brian McNamee, Clemens told Congress, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

Separated by only a few feet at a wooden witness table Wednesday, Clemens and McNamee were never further apart.

There they sat, the star pitcher and his former personal trainer, under oath and facing blistering questions. For 4 1/2 hours, both men held to their versions of the he-said, he-said disagreement over whether McNamee injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

Clemens insisted it never happened. McNamee insisted it did.

His reputation and Hall of Fame candidacy potentially at stake _ not to mention the possibility of criminal charges, should he lie _ Clemens said: "I have never taken steroids or HGH. No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For some members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens' denials rang hollow, particularly in light of a new account of his discussion of HGH use, revealed by his friend and former teammate Andy Pettitte in a sworn affidavit.

"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

Clemens and McNamee, by all accounts once good friends, rarely glanced at one another. When Clemens did turn to his right, it was with the Rocket's mound glare. Seated between them was the day's third witness, Charles Scheeler, a lawyer who helped compile the report on drug use in baseball headed by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell.

"Someone is lying in spectacular fashion," said Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the committee's ranking Republican.

Just like their stories, Clemens' Texas drawl was in strong contrast to the clipped cadences of McNamee, a former New York police officer.

"I told the investigators I injected three people _ two of whom I know confirmed my account," McNamee said. "The third is sitting at this table."

Ultimately, the matter could wind up with the Justice Department if prosecutors believe either man made false statements. The Justice Department is also reviewing used needles and bloody gauze pads McNamee turned over. His side says the items contained performance-enhancing drugs and Clemens' DNA.

"We found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' accounts," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. "During his deposition, he made statements we know are untrue."

Eventually, the committee split largely along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told McNamee.

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., repeatedly called McNamee a "drug dealer."

One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, called it a "public flogging."

Waxman said afterward he hadn't "reached any conclusions" as to whether a criminal investigation is warranted, although several congressmen said a referral from the committee isn't needed to trigger one.

The session, held on the same day pitchers and catchers started reporting for spring training in Florida and Arizona, came exactly two months following the release of the Mitchell Report.

That investigation was prompted by another hearing on steroids held by the same committee in the same wood-paneled room, on March 17, 2005. That is best remembered for having tarnished the reputations of Mark McGwire _ who infamously repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" _ and Rafael Palmeiro _ who wagged his finger and declared he never had used steroids, then failed a drug test months later.

In a reference to that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., cautioned Clemens and McNamee: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Wednesday's hearing, which Waxman indicated would be his committee's last on the subject, was prompted by Clemens' various and vigorous denials of what McNamee told Mitchell. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001. McNamee said Wednesday he now thinks those numbers are too low.

"They don't disagree on a phone call or one meeting," Waxman said. "If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between."

Waxman said he considered calling off the hearing, but said he was persuaded to go forth by Clemens' lawyers, an account they disputed. He also accused Clemens of possibly trying to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Congressmen noted that Pettitte and another former Yankees teammate of Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers. Clemens said Pettitte "misremembers" things. He mispronounced McNamee's name at one point. Toward the end, Clemens raised his voice to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. The chairman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear early the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite face-to-face meetings he did with representatives in recent days _ sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

There was one wide-eyed fan moment, when Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., relayed to Clemens that a colleague "wants to know what uniform will you wear into the Hall of Fame?"

When it was over, Clemens shook hands with Davis, then left through a back door.

Clemens later told reporters: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get _ and I know I will have _ the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

His wife, Debbie, sat in the front row behind him and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Clemens testified his wife took HGH once, although according to the transcript of last week's sworn deposition, Clemens told committee lawyers he didn't know of family members taking HGH.

IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the team prosecuting Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pettitte, who was excused Monday from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and his wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

In his deposition, Pettitte also said that in 2003 or 2004, McNamee told him Clemens had used steroids. Committee lawyers asked Pettitte how he decided what to say, given that he was caught between conflicting accounts from two friends.

"I have to live with myself. And one day, I have to give an account to God _ and not to nobody else _ of what I've done in my life," Pettitte replied. "And that's why I've said and shared the stuff with y'all that I've shared with y'all today _ that I wouldn't like to share with y'all."

Portions of that transcript and others were shown on flat-panel TVs on walls in the room. It was jarring in black and white.

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funkalicious
10:55 AM on 02/15/2008
You asssholes couldnt carry Clemens Jock.
Mc Names me is a lying sack of shit who cares.
These guys play baseball, the only goddamned reason the morons on the left and right rake this crap around is because they have forced Americans into paying for stadiums for their Rich Plutocrat friends. Does Budwiser need the people to build them a stadium so they can sell millions of gallons of beer?
So Clemens threw a ball while on the horse juice to a player who would hit the ball who was jacked up on horse juice.
Why is this news and why are these sycophantic assholes placing this on trial. Makes me puke PlfffffffffffT
11:31 PM on 02/14/2008
The hearing on Roger Clemens's use or not, of steroids, was a monkey trial designed to save Mr. Clemens from his resounding downfall,
that he himself created. After, one of the sacred guardians of our game and our constitution stated: "Mr. Clemens, you are going to Heaven." Only if Heaven is really Hell.
Anyway, Mr. Clemens was lying from the get-go; but I will prove it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
In a post the night before, "The Mitchell Report" came out; we stated that if Roger Clemens's name was left out, it was a worthless report. To "The Mitchell Report’s
saving grace it was not. So there.
Mr. Clemens was asked why did he continue to employ McNamee, even till December after the
"Steroid Era" report came out.
He stated because: "I am a forgiving guy."
That is the lie, of lies, and the not the last in a line of other lies.
We would have asked him: "Mr. Clemens, if you are such a forgiving guy, why did you not forgive, Mike Piazza, who in reality, there is no proof anywhere that he ever did anything to you. Can you answer that Mr. Clemens, since you are so forgiving?
Mike Piazza was a gentleman, and one of the gentlest guys, in Baseball. We would place our head in a guillotine and bet that Mike Piazza was most likely the only player that did not use steroid. Maybe that’s why Clemens hated him so much.


So there. Mr. Clemens, too bad, so sad.
The same for Marion Jones.

Enough said.
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wayoutleft
my nano-bio coded in a period: .
01:11 PM on 02/14/2008
groping for what's really important about this: congress is obviously in the pocket of the big sports plutocracy. it's job here is to protect the reputations of feedlot specimens like clemens and bonds. this is far more important than protecting citizens from surveillance by data-mining their phone calls and eavesdropping. also, it's something the midgets there can possibly comprehend.
the idea for the nelly old sports suckers in congress is to provide a big phoney knuckle rapping about juice, set up beatable test requirements, and close out the steroid scandal officially, congress being the last word, the highest authority, the august guardian of our nations laws, and butt boys of last resort for really rich guys and corporations. they'll toss the smallest guy- the trainer- out for chum and cop some series passes like the twelve year old twerps they are.
11:38 AM on 02/14/2008
What is it with the GOP and their homosexual crushes on Texas millionaire druggies.

I thought Dan Burton was going to ask to sniff Clemmens Jock
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09:09 AM on 02/14/2008
"clemens didnt JAM with me " jose canseco. heh, wonder how much that cost roger...jose has pimped hisself out for years as the steroid guru and has come off as a sleaze-bag. i bet for the right amount of $ jose will say cal ripken jr's hair fell out due to 'rhoids. I seriously doubt andy petitte " misremembered" a damn thing. that kinda testimony ranks up there with " my dog ate my homework. being a friend of george bush wont immunize clemens from the hearts of baseball fans. see ya rog, just not in cooperstown.
09:00 AM on 02/14/2008
So, seriously, how do we protest this waste of our tax money??
01:41 AM on 02/14/2008
What all of you forget is that until steroids, baseball was dead. Steroids are GOOOD for baseball. Remember when Sosa and McGuire started bashing them out of the park? And a forty year old tossing heat? Dont tell me you are mad at these guys. They brought baseball back from being a last page in the sport section to front page news.
I think that steroids and HGH should be MANDATORY for baseball.
And those of you wringing you freaking chicken finger hands and whimpering over this...forget it! I dont want to see a bunch of skinny ass ball players laying down bunts and pitching no hitters. I want superhuman players who can break a bat over their knee, toss a ball through a barn door. Otherwise, might as well watch tennis.
03:19 AM on 02/14/2008
Being from Pittsburgh, I can assure you that baseball deserves to be on the last page in the sports section.

The Pirates *are the worst franchise* in all of sports since 1993.
11:59 AM on 02/14/2008
Why was baseball dead before steroids? Because greedy ballplayers and owners shut down the world series. Were they in trouble? Yes. Did they need to use performance enhancing drugs to get fans back? ABSOLUTELY NOT! True baseball fans love the sport for it's nuance, it's simple pace and everyday nature. What the fans needed to come back is labor peace and ackowledgement that there was enough money to go around and maybe the fans deserved to be able to afford to go to these games. More and more corporate interests are buying up most seats at sporting events and writing them off as entertainment expenses,
to the point where the average family can't afford a day at the ballpark.

Boris, your suggestion that they should be allowed to take these performance enhancing substances fails to take into account the rising prevalence of steroids and HGh among high school and college athletes. Do you have kids? Do you want them juicing so they can get that free college ride. What about his teammate who is playing "honest" and doesn't get the scholarship because your kid cheated to get there? What about the countless minor leaguers who are waiting for their opportunity only to have scum like Bonds and Clemens play til they drop. So they decide to juice to get to the bigs faster. You haven't thought this out clearly and are typical of the short sighted thinking that got us in this mess in the first place. Other than that, I could give two shits whether these mental midgets kill themselves at 50 with that crap.
10:31 PM on 02/13/2008
republicans love steroid users

look it up
10:29 PM on 02/13/2008
Clemens is a lying sack of shit
redneck liar
10:24 PM on 02/13/2008
I want my tax dollars returned to me ASAP
This is ludacrist
10:17 PM on 02/13/2008
Nothing but charade -- a pitiful excuse for the function of government. This is all a putrid left-over from the last congress , a diversion from the far more important issues of our time , all played-out as if it were something that really mattered. Get back to the things needing attention , you know , Iraq / economy / restoring the Bill of Rights / impeachment / corruption / Sibel Edmonds etc.
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03:31 AM on 02/14/2008
"Get back to the things needing attention"

Yeah, like:

constitutional amendments to ban:
gay marriage
abortion
stem cell research

Restore prayer in schools
Ban the teaching of evolution
More tax cuts for the wealthy
Ban unions
Need more "temporary" worker programs
Need more "free trade" agreements
12:06 PM on 02/14/2008
i would argue the issue IS important, just that congress, as is it's wont, grandstands and acts holier than thou. the point was to protect youngsters from the dangers of these products. Instead it became a circus show aimed at playing gotcha with Roger Clemens. Congress dropped the ball on this and should be ashamed of their two-faced get autographs one day and massacre the next. Again, Pathetic.
09:51 PM on 02/13/2008
It simply doesn't matter. Wish Huffpo and all the rest would stop covering it. Get back to the news.
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GhostofBillHicks
It's just a ride...
09:27 PM on 02/13/2008
I think this is a travesty.Out of All the ILLEGAL,QUESTIONABLE things that BUSHCO has done that needs to be investigated by Congress.
THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE SERIOUSLY INVESTIGATING?
Cheating at a BORING,STUPID GAME.
Our military being run down,FOR NOTHING.All these no-bid contracts to "friendly" corporations,BILLION$ wasted and missing.Illegal wire-tapping,extraordinary rendition,on-and-on!
But they don't have time for that,lets investigate BASEBALL,WTF?!
Even HuffPost putting this in the "politics" section.
This country needs to get its priorities straight!
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thebanana
09:09 PM on 02/13/2008
This must be that "war on drugs' I keep hearing about.
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ErnestineBass
No longer a cog in The Machine.
09:03 PM on 02/13/2008
Hmmmmmmmm...any idea of how many American men and women died in Iraq and Afghanistan while the members of Congress (who fucking sent them there) were "investigating" steroid use by GROSSLY OVERPAID PLAYERS of "our national pasttime"?

Man, oh, man, do Americans have some fucked up priorities, OR WHAT?!?
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GhostofBillHicks
It's just a ride...
09:53 PM on 02/13/2008
HEAR,HEAR!!