Clemens Takes His Lumps on Capitol Hill

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RONALD BLUM and HOWARD FENDRICH | February 13, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Former New York Yankees baseball pitcher Roger Clemens, left, listens to the testimony of his former personal trainer Brian McNamee, right, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008 during the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on drug use in baseball. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without looking at Brian McNamee, Clemens told Congress, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

Separated by only a few feet at a wooden witness table Wednesday, Clemens and McNamee were never further apart.

There they sat, the star pitcher and his former personal trainer, under oath and facing blistering questions. For 4 1/2 hours, both men held to their versions of the he-said, he-said disagreement over whether McNamee injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

Clemens insisted it never happened. McNamee insisted it did.

His reputation and Hall of Fame candidacy potentially at stake _ not to mention the possibility of criminal charges, should he lie _ Clemens said: "I have never taken steroids or HGH. No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For some members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens' denials rang hollow, particularly in light of a new account of his discussion of HGH use, revealed by his friend and former teammate Andy Pettitte in a sworn affidavit.

"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

Clemens and McNamee, by all accounts once good friends, rarely glanced at one another. When Clemens did turn to his right, it was with the Rocket's mound glare. Seated between them was the day's third witness, Charles Scheeler, a lawyer who helped compile the report on drug use in baseball headed by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell.

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"Someone is lying in spectacular fashion," said Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the committee's ranking Republican.

Just like their stories, Clemens' Texas drawl was in strong contrast to the clipped cadences of McNamee, a former New York police officer.

"I told the investigators I injected three people _ two of whom I know confirmed my account," McNamee said. "The third is sitting at this table."

Ultimately, the matter could wind up with the Justice Department if prosecutors believe either man made false statements. The Justice Department is also reviewing used needles and bloody gauze pads McNamee turned over. His side says the items contained performance-enhancing drugs and Clemens' DNA.

"We found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' accounts," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. "During his deposition, he made statements we know are untrue."

Eventually, the committee split largely along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told McNamee.

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., repeatedly called McNamee a "drug dealer."

One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, called it a "public flogging."

Waxman said afterward he hadn't "reached any conclusions" as to whether a criminal investigation is warranted, although several congressmen said a referral from the committee isn't needed to trigger one.

The session, held on the same day pitchers and catchers started reporting for spring training in Florida and Arizona, came exactly two months following the release of the Mitchell Report.

That investigation was prompted by another hearing on steroids held by the same committee in the same wood-paneled room, on March 17, 2005. That is best remembered for having tarnished the reputations of Mark McGwire _ who infamously repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" _ and Rafael Palmeiro _ who wagged his finger and declared he never had used steroids, then failed a drug test months later.

In a reference to that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., cautioned Clemens and McNamee: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Wednesday's hearing, which Waxman indicated would be his committee's last on the subject, was prompted by Clemens' various and vigorous denials of what McNamee told Mitchell. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001. McNamee said Wednesday he now thinks those numbers are too low.

"They don't disagree on a phone call or one meeting," Waxman said. "If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between."

Waxman said he considered calling off the hearing, but said he was persuaded to go forth by Clemens' lawyers, an account they disputed. He also accused Clemens of possibly trying to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Congressmen noted that Pettitte and another former Yankees teammate of Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers. Clemens said Pettitte "misremembers" things. He mispronounced McNamee's name at one point. Toward the end, Clemens raised his voice to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. The chairman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear early the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite face-to-face meetings he did with representatives in recent days _ sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

There was one wide-eyed fan moment, when Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., relayed to Clemens that a colleague "wants to know what uniform will you wear into the Hall of Fame?"

When it was over, Clemens shook hands with Davis, then left through a back door.

Clemens later told reporters: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get _ and I know I will have _ the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

His wife, Debbie, sat in the front row behind him and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Clemens testified his wife took HGH once, although according to the transcript of last week's sworn deposition, Clemens told committee lawyers he didn't know of family members taking HGH.

IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the team prosecuting Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pettitte, who was excused Monday from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and his wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

In his deposition, Pettitte also said that in 2003 or 2004, McNamee told him Clemens had used steroids. Committee lawyers asked Pettitte how he decided what to say, given that he was caught between conflicting accounts from two friends.

"I have to live with myself. And one day, I have to give an account to God _ and not to nobody else _ of what I've done in my life," Pettitte replied. "And that's why I've said and shared the stuff with y'all that I've shared with y'all today _ that I wouldn't like to share with y'all."

Portions of that transcript and others were shown on flat-panel TVs on walls in the room. It was jarring in black and white.

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WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
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- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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Is Waxman one of those human-animal hybrids Bush warned us against?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 02/13/2008

"Mission Accomplished"
"We're turning the corner in Iraq"
"The economy might be in a rough patch"
"I think he misremembered"

Ah, Texan eloquence.

"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it"

Waxman was great. Burton was a disgrace. Mica was bizarre. Shays was shameful. Cummings quite compelling. And who the hell invited Aunt Bea and her photos?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:30 PM on 02/13/2008

barry bonds must be laughing himself silly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/13/2008
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

Barry should buy Roger and Debbie a steak and champaign dinner.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 02/14/2008
- uheardme I'm a Fan of uheardme 10 fans permalink

I'm a huge fan of Elijah Cummings and E.H. Norton. Good job, folks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:39 PM on 02/13/2008
- Dogvane I'm a Fan of Dogvane 3 fans permalink

For all the contempt Americans have for Congress, Clemens is the only one who's going to go to jail for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:32 PM on 02/13/2008
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Gees louse, just water board all of them and send them and their confessions to Cuba.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:52 PM on 02/13/2008
- avergejoe I'm a Fan of avergejoe 15 fans permalink

this dog and pony show by congress and mlb is hogwash to generate pr for both!

if mlb was serious they would implement drug testing rules like virtually every other sport.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:46 PM on 02/13/2008

Here’s the situation: A provider injects a person with substance without telling him what the substance is but tells him that “It’s good for you.” Then the substance has an effect on the person. It’s later revealed what the provider did and what the provider injected. What’s the issues? Lack of ‘informed consent’ and ‘battery’ are two that come to mind. Even if the treatment’s outcome is positive the provider is liable. If the outcome is negative, as might be the instant situation with Clemens, the person’s damages would be enhanced. This situation happened to me within the last 6 months; I’m suing.
Clemens doesn’t need to argue that he wasn’t injected. The guilty party is the provider who injected him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 PM on 02/13/2008

big manly republican texas stud hides behind his wife and mother. hillarious...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 02/13/2008
- Tennwoman I'm a Fan of Tennwoman 3 fans permalink

I don't give a big whopping damn if every athlete, in every professional sport uses, did use or will use steroids. This entire matter, from the entrapment of Barry Bonds, to the ridiculous Mitchell "investigation", to the debacle of the congressional hearings, is nothing but a huge waste of time. War with no end, veterans without benefits, struggling schools, eroding infrastructure, record home foreclosures, illegal wiretapping, and a president and vice president who have lied repeatedly, and without consequence, for 7 years, top my list of cares. If professional sports has problems, it should be left to the governing bodies of those sports to clean up their own messes. In my opinion, congress has taken up this issue as a diversion, as a way to avoid doing the job we elected them to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:34 PM on 02/13/2008
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You took the words right out of my fingers. What a COLOSSAL waste of Congress' time. Talk about Wag The Dog.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 PM on 02/13/2008

OH, HELL YES!!!

How many of our troops will DIE while these pissant muthafukas "investigate" meaningless BULLSHIT!!!

WAKE UP, AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S TIME TO RAISE SOME HELL, DAMMIT!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 02/13/2008
- bookish I'm a Fan of bookish 4 fans permalink

Congress fiddles while the nation burns.

How about that nuke espionage, eh? Valerie Plame has a comment on Raw Story today.

And our lawmakers are concerning themselves with...baseball.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 02/13/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

I don't know what to make of all of it. I think Clemens and McNamee both have issues. Clemens' has conflicts of consistency. McNamee has found evidence and new details he didn't say before? Neither comes off well.

But I would believe Andy Pettitte. While no angel, he explained his use of HGH (which seems to have had reference to injuries rather than a consistent pattern of use/abuse; you could almost understand if not forgive that; even his discussion of 2004 makes sense). Pettitte also pokes a hole in Clemens' story and possibly in McNamee too.

Pettitte seems to be the only one to fess up and have dignity imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 02/13/2008

I`M THE FAT LADY.......TRALALALA !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:47 PM on 02/13/2008
- VOTER I'm a Fan of VOTER 195 fans permalink
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IMPEACH CLEMENS!

oops..sorry

I thought Waxman and the others were prepping

for taking on the Bush and Cheney impeachments.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:45 PM on 02/13/2008
- JadedAggie I'm a Fan of JadedAggie 10 fans permalink

I think Roger Clemens is guilty and this all started out legitimate. However, I think over the last week or so it's turned into a framing of a guilty man. I believe Clemens took steroids and McNamee injected them, but I think McNamee has gotten desperate and started to fabricate information and evidence. Unless he can provide similar samples of other athletes he injected there is nothing really convincing me that it is not doctored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:42 PM on 02/13/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

What about Nannygate. Clemens met with the Nanny to discuss what she was going to say before he gave her name to investigators. Sounds like a crime to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 02/13/2008
- JadedAggie I'm a Fan of JadedAggie 10 fans permalink

Like I said I believe he's guilty, but is being framed in addition to his guilt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 02/13/2008
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