Clemens Takes His Lumps on Capitol Hill

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RONALD BLUM and HOWARD FENDRICH | February 13, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Former New York Yankees baseball pitcher Roger Clemens, left, listens to the testimony of his former personal trainer Brian McNamee, right, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008 during the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on drug use in baseball. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without looking at Brian McNamee, Clemens told Congress, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

Separated by only a few feet at a wooden witness table Wednesday, Clemens and McNamee were never further apart.

There they sat, the star pitcher and his former personal trainer, under oath and facing blistering questions. For 4 1/2 hours, both men held to their versions of the he-said, he-said disagreement over whether McNamee injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

Clemens insisted it never happened. McNamee insisted it did.

His reputation and Hall of Fame candidacy potentially at stake _ not to mention the possibility of criminal charges, should he lie _ Clemens said: "I have never taken steroids or HGH. No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For some members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens' denials rang hollow, particularly in light of a new account of his discussion of HGH use, revealed by his friend and former teammate Andy Pettitte in a sworn affidavit.

"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

Clemens and McNamee, by all accounts once good friends, rarely glanced at one another. When Clemens did turn to his right, it was with the Rocket's mound glare. Seated between them was the day's third witness, Charles Scheeler, a lawyer who helped compile the report on drug use in baseball headed by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell.

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"Someone is lying in spectacular fashion," said Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the committee's ranking Republican.

Just like their stories, Clemens' Texas drawl was in strong contrast to the clipped cadences of McNamee, a former New York police officer.

"I told the investigators I injected three people _ two of whom I know confirmed my account," McNamee said. "The third is sitting at this table."

Ultimately, the matter could wind up with the Justice Department if prosecutors believe either man made false statements. The Justice Department is also reviewing used needles and bloody gauze pads McNamee turned over. His side says the items contained performance-enhancing drugs and Clemens' DNA.

"We found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' accounts," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. "During his deposition, he made statements we know are untrue."

Eventually, the committee split largely along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told McNamee.

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., repeatedly called McNamee a "drug dealer."

One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, called it a "public flogging."

Waxman said afterward he hadn't "reached any conclusions" as to whether a criminal investigation is warranted, although several congressmen said a referral from the committee isn't needed to trigger one.

The session, held on the same day pitchers and catchers started reporting for spring training in Florida and Arizona, came exactly two months following the release of the Mitchell Report.

That investigation was prompted by another hearing on steroids held by the same committee in the same wood-paneled room, on March 17, 2005. That is best remembered for having tarnished the reputations of Mark McGwire _ who infamously repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" _ and Rafael Palmeiro _ who wagged his finger and declared he never had used steroids, then failed a drug test months later.

In a reference to that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., cautioned Clemens and McNamee: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Wednesday's hearing, which Waxman indicated would be his committee's last on the subject, was prompted by Clemens' various and vigorous denials of what McNamee told Mitchell. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001. McNamee said Wednesday he now thinks those numbers are too low.

"They don't disagree on a phone call or one meeting," Waxman said. "If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between."

Waxman said he considered calling off the hearing, but said he was persuaded to go forth by Clemens' lawyers, an account they disputed. He also accused Clemens of possibly trying to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Congressmen noted that Pettitte and another former Yankees teammate of Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers. Clemens said Pettitte "misremembers" things. He mispronounced McNamee's name at one point. Toward the end, Clemens raised his voice to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. The chairman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear early the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite face-to-face meetings he did with representatives in recent days _ sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

There was one wide-eyed fan moment, when Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., relayed to Clemens that a colleague "wants to know what uniform will you wear into the Hall of Fame?"

When it was over, Clemens shook hands with Davis, then left through a back door.

Clemens later told reporters: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get _ and I know I will have _ the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

His wife, Debbie, sat in the front row behind him and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Clemens testified his wife took HGH once, although according to the transcript of last week's sworn deposition, Clemens told committee lawyers he didn't know of family members taking HGH.

IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the team prosecuting Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pettitte, who was excused Monday from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and his wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

In his deposition, Pettitte also said that in 2003 or 2004, McNamee told him Clemens had used steroids. Committee lawyers asked Pettitte how he decided what to say, given that he was caught between conflicting accounts from two friends.

"I have to live with myself. And one day, I have to give an account to God _ and not to nobody else _ of what I've done in my life," Pettitte replied. "And that's why I've said and shared the stuff with y'all that I've shared with y'all today _ that I wouldn't like to share with y'all."

Portions of that transcript and others were shown on flat-panel TVs on walls in the room. It was jarring in black and white.

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On the Net:

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WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
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- OkieMon I'm a Fan of OkieMon 34 fans permalink

what a farce this congress...why don't they impeach bush and chainy and ask them questions under oath about outing a cia agent or not stopping 9/11? what a joke..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/13/2008
- smilodon1 I'm a Fan of smilodon1 7 fans permalink
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This is so trivial. Why even bother writing about it? Lets get back to something important...like Hillary bashing or being racist...all our god-given rights.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:05 PM on 02/13/2008

"That was HGH? I thought it was a baseball," said the Big Giant Head.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 02/13/2008

Now we know by the republican behavior today they are so accustomed to spinning the truth and ignoring facts. Petit injected-Deb Clemens -injected-Chuck Knoblauch-Injected -He would throw his wife under the bus-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 PM on 02/13/2008

This is the Democrat's effort to match the Republican circus surrounding Janet Jackson at the Super Bowl. I detest these fools. Wars, the economy, all the real issues so many others cite. It's an astounding embarrassment to Henry Waxman and by extension to the Democrats. No wonder the public hates Congress. They earn it with bullshit like this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 02/13/2008
- pahpah25 I'm a Fan of pahpah25 6 fans permalink

of all the problems in this country...........whether or not a pro-baseball player uses steroids......is not at the top of the list..........what an absolute waste of time and dollars..........i don't watch baseball , i don't buy tickets....if people really cared about this crap/they would stop buyiong tickets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/13/2008
- EAM I'm a Fan of EAM permalink

Righto. This is the hooey that is keeping their schedule too full to bother with impeachment proceedings...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 02/13/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 208 fans permalink
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I find it utterly absurd that a congressional hearing into the use of steroids by Roger Clemens apparently is of far greater national concern than, say, various committee hearings into warrantless spying by the Bush administration. After all, warrantless spying only goes to the very essence of our constitutional democracy whereas steroid use in professional sports apparently goes to the very integrity of our sports teams.

Everywhere I turn, the Clemens hearing on steroids is on -- MSNBC, CNN, ESPN, NESN -- and if you tried to find a hearing on warrantless spying you'd be lucky to find it on CSPAN 3.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/13/2008

as a matter of fact, the baseball hearing WAS on CSPAN 3. the senate and house were on the other two CSPANs. it is important, and exposes even further the sheer lying and spinning that rethugs will go to. congress has at last forced the idiot baseball commissioner to take stock of MLB.clemens is a lying piece of crap... not that mcnamee has anything to be proud of. clemens kept blinking, and looking down. mark of a liar.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:58 PM on 02/13/2008

turn the channel . . . oh, wait - quick there's a story on Britney!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 02/13/2008
- TILL I'm a Fan of TILL permalink

Watching the Clemens' hearing on the internet. For me it was pretty much over right at the beginning, when the Pettittes,husband and wife said what they did in their depositions. Clemens is rather proficient as a liar, because he can be charming. He's I think known as a bully. So, it appears he can be both a charmer and a bully. Good combination to have when it comes to influencing people, and then he's that big superstar athlete. But he lies and probably has a history of it, because he seems so comfortable with it. The problem with lying under questioning is you keep shading your story so that different versions start appearing and of course the different versions are being documented. You also talk too much...try to explain too much away, and it traps you into mistakes that gives you away. So, it's interesting to watch and listen to him..lie. Only time I think he's lied as far as I know was when he lied about why he threw the broken bat close to Piazza, while Piazza was running to first base. Clemens said he was trying to get the bat out of the way. He did tell a moving story about his growing-up. Listening to him now he's going over the top with his patriotism. Still he's a liar about his steroid use and his life would make an interesting movie...much like Crystal's movie on Mantle and Maris. I was through Mantle's growing-up town of Commerce, Oklahoma not long ago. If I could have been him...I would when I was growing-up. Disappointed at seeing no mention of him, driving through, but it was tiny..not much there. But now I know the rest of the story. Life giveth and taketh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 02/13/2008
- Smartey I'm a Fan of Smartey 3 fans permalink

In the immortal words of Bill Jefferson (the Big BJ) Clinton...

"No attack ever fed a hungry child."

I guess Congress has nothing else to do today.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/13/2008
- NABNYC I'm a Fan of NABNYC 99 fans permalink

These people in Congress should be ashamed of themselves. The entire country should be ashamed of them. They should have their paychecks yanked, then be forced to resign and let someone take the job who's willing to get to work and stop the bs.

I turned on a couple of news stations this morning, and all of them were focused on Roger Clemens sitting in front of Henry Waxman's committee. This is like watching one of those "entertainment" programs like HardCopy or garbage like that. I'm surprised the cameras weren't pointed at his crotch hoping to catch a little panty action.

We're in the middle of several wars. In fact, we're losing several wars. Wars we never should have started. We have pissed away $480 billion of our tax dollars blowing up tanks in Iraq and paying off Halliburton and Cheney. People are unemployed, inflation is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes and can't afford to go to the doctor.

And congress is talking about baseball.

All you stern-looking Congresspeople up there being tough guys, asking the tough questions, wagging your fingers in the faces of baseball players, let me ask you this: If you're so tough, why didn't you take on Bush? If you're so tough, why don't you impeach the people who are destroying this country? If you're so tough, why are in the pockets of all the biggest corporations in this country who pay you to lay down.

Everyone in congress participating in this charade is disgusting. And I'm paying for it. No wonder the bad guys always win, since the good guys are apparently so stupid and incompetent that they drop everything to go talk to a baseball player.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 02/13/2008
- Smartey I'm a Fan of Smartey 3 fans permalink

My God, after reading the state of our nation - according to your third paragraph - I'm surprised you don't end it all.

Feel free to go for it. And take Henry "Big Nostrils" Waxman with you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:42 PM on 02/13/2008
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Well said and I agree!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 02/13/2008
- jadez I'm a Fan of jadez 3 fans permalink

Until I see Mr. Clemens hanging onto his chair with a thermos of coffee and a half eatin orange, I am not prepared to to give him the "Mr. Smith" endorsement that "We don't believe that any man who wasn't sincere would put himself through all this".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 02/13/2008
- SubparDude I'm a Fan of SubparDude 9 fans permalink

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Steroids didn't help him much as a witness, eh?

Pathetic. His answers were not fastballs...and his curves hung badly.

BLAME THE WIFE.

What courage.
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/13/2008

No the steroids didn't help Roger or his wife understand that a PhD doesn't allow that PhD to prescibe or administer drugs in ANY form. ONLY an MD can do that.
Mr.Clemens appears to be uneducated to that fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/13/2008

University of Texas. He also managed to bring "misremembered" into the national dialect. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Braves and Raider fan who undoubtedly spends too much time watching television sports, but this is pretty good lesson for athletic kids. Hopefully they'll realize that there are only a couple of hundred jobs in most of the big sports, around a thousand in baseball (though these are subdivided by position) and you can be injured and done, or beaten out by somebody younger and better at pretty much any time. I'm really not trying to make fun of Clemens', shall we say, "underwhelming," intellectual acumen, but I think it underscores the danger of relying too much on the fleeting advantage of athletic talent to get you through life. It's a nice skill to have, of course, wish I had it, but watching Clemens struggle through reading that opening statement (which, I suspect, was largely written by his wife or one of those woefully incompetent attorneys)I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for Roger's current state of affairs. I know he's a dick and everything, but how much golf can you really want to play for the next thirty years. That scene from "Everybody's All-American" jumped to mind as I watched, where Dennis Quaid, entertaining clients for another businessman, looks almost sick as he goes into his: "...Unitas was kicking our ass...as usual." (wait for laugh) bit for the untold numberenth time (if Roger can make up words, I can too,) sinks a putt and couldn't look more bored.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/13/2008
- springsm I'm a Fan of springsm 54 fans permalink

I think McNamee said he was a doctor and then a PhD...either way McNamee was lying and Clemens can't be THAT dumb, can he. I must say he is either very wiley smart or extremely non curious not so smart. From Texas..hard to say.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:33 PM on 02/13/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

These are the most entertaining hearings in recent history. BRAVO! Doing the people's business.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 PM on 02/13/2008
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It's an example for us........the horses head in the bed if you will. They're telling us, "See! We can break any law we want and not be accountable, But you "little folks" nt! Here's what we're going to do to one of your heros.
Wasn't that an Abu Garib technique? Torture the child so the parent complies?
Meanwhile, this year, my 12 & 13 year old Grandchildren were given steroids, each for a different medical condition, until my Daughter researched the alternative medicine field, and requested that the children be treated with them instead!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:00 PM on 02/13/2008

Clemens is a mental midget like George W. Bush. Clemens lies and bullies and tries to cover it up just like GWB. Clemens gives me the same sense of revulsion as GWB.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/13/2008
- JTyroler I'm a Fan of JTyroler 41 fans permalink

I wonder how much this has to do with things like government exceptions and the incredibly large amount of government subsidies going into professional sports. According to David Cay Johnston's "Free Lunch: How the Wealthiest Americans Enrich Themselves at Government Expense (And Stick You with the Bill), "government spending on sports facilities now soaks up more than $2 billion a year."

Also, the main 4 commercial sports (MLB, NFL, NHL, and NBA) would have a net loss each year of about $340 million or about $15/ticket.

Unfortunately, professional sports also has a history of allowing illegal behavior (drugs, gambling).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 PM on 02/13/2008
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