Clemens Takes His Lumps on Capitol Hill

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RONALD BLUM and HOWARD FENDRICH | February 13, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Former New York Yankees baseball pitcher Roger Clemens, left, listens to the testimony of his former personal trainer Brian McNamee, right, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008 during the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on drug use in baseball. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without looking at Brian McNamee, Clemens told Congress, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

Separated by only a few feet at a wooden witness table Wednesday, Clemens and McNamee were never further apart.

There they sat, the star pitcher and his former personal trainer, under oath and facing blistering questions. For 4 1/2 hours, both men held to their versions of the he-said, he-said disagreement over whether McNamee injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

Clemens insisted it never happened. McNamee insisted it did.

His reputation and Hall of Fame candidacy potentially at stake _ not to mention the possibility of criminal charges, should he lie _ Clemens said: "I have never taken steroids or HGH. No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For some members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens' denials rang hollow, particularly in light of a new account of his discussion of HGH use, revealed by his friend and former teammate Andy Pettitte in a sworn affidavit.

"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

Clemens and McNamee, by all accounts once good friends, rarely glanced at one another. When Clemens did turn to his right, it was with the Rocket's mound glare. Seated between them was the day's third witness, Charles Scheeler, a lawyer who helped compile the report on drug use in baseball headed by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell.

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"Someone is lying in spectacular fashion," said Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the committee's ranking Republican.

Just like their stories, Clemens' Texas drawl was in strong contrast to the clipped cadences of McNamee, a former New York police officer.

"I told the investigators I injected three people _ two of whom I know confirmed my account," McNamee said. "The third is sitting at this table."

Ultimately, the matter could wind up with the Justice Department if prosecutors believe either man made false statements. The Justice Department is also reviewing used needles and bloody gauze pads McNamee turned over. His side says the items contained performance-enhancing drugs and Clemens' DNA.

"We found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' accounts," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. "During his deposition, he made statements we know are untrue."

Eventually, the committee split largely along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told McNamee.

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., repeatedly called McNamee a "drug dealer."

One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, called it a "public flogging."

Waxman said afterward he hadn't "reached any conclusions" as to whether a criminal investigation is warranted, although several congressmen said a referral from the committee isn't needed to trigger one.

The session, held on the same day pitchers and catchers started reporting for spring training in Florida and Arizona, came exactly two months following the release of the Mitchell Report.

That investigation was prompted by another hearing on steroids held by the same committee in the same wood-paneled room, on March 17, 2005. That is best remembered for having tarnished the reputations of Mark McGwire _ who infamously repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" _ and Rafael Palmeiro _ who wagged his finger and declared he never had used steroids, then failed a drug test months later.

In a reference to that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., cautioned Clemens and McNamee: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Wednesday's hearing, which Waxman indicated would be his committee's last on the subject, was prompted by Clemens' various and vigorous denials of what McNamee told Mitchell. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001. McNamee said Wednesday he now thinks those numbers are too low.

"They don't disagree on a phone call or one meeting," Waxman said. "If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between."

Waxman said he considered calling off the hearing, but said he was persuaded to go forth by Clemens' lawyers, an account they disputed. He also accused Clemens of possibly trying to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Congressmen noted that Pettitte and another former Yankees teammate of Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers. Clemens said Pettitte "misremembers" things. He mispronounced McNamee's name at one point. Toward the end, Clemens raised his voice to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. The chairman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear early the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite face-to-face meetings he did with representatives in recent days _ sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

There was one wide-eyed fan moment, when Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., relayed to Clemens that a colleague "wants to know what uniform will you wear into the Hall of Fame?"

When it was over, Clemens shook hands with Davis, then left through a back door.

Clemens later told reporters: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get _ and I know I will have _ the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

His wife, Debbie, sat in the front row behind him and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Clemens testified his wife took HGH once, although according to the transcript of last week's sworn deposition, Clemens told committee lawyers he didn't know of family members taking HGH.

IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the team prosecuting Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pettitte, who was excused Monday from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and his wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

In his deposition, Pettitte also said that in 2003 or 2004, McNamee told him Clemens had used steroids. Committee lawyers asked Pettitte how he decided what to say, given that he was caught between conflicting accounts from two friends.

"I have to live with myself. And one day, I have to give an account to God _ and not to nobody else _ of what I've done in my life," Pettitte replied. "And that's why I've said and shared the stuff with y'all that I've shared with y'all today _ that I wouldn't like to share with y'all."

Portions of that transcript and others were shown on flat-panel TVs on walls in the room. It was jarring in black and white.

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WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
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Whatever the outcome of the Clemens hearings, it seems clear that the House committee is divided along party lines. The issue isn't so much steroids in baseball as it is the competence of former Democratic Sen. George Mitchell. Both Clemens and Mitchell are icons in their respective fields, but there is something particularly sour about the injection of party politics into this issue. The Mitchell Report builds its case against Clemens upon a rather scurvy and unreliable accuser. Sen. Mitchell has no other evidence to use in attacking the credibility of a baseball great who won Cy Young awards in the years for which no one has accused him of using steroids. Still, the Democratic congressmen are circling the wagons to protect George Mitchell. At best, the Mitchell report is grossly incomplete for all the time he took in preparing it. The fact that he was a Democratic party leader should not be the basis for the destruction of a great athlete's reputation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 02/13/2008

You wouldn't happen to be a partisan complaining about partisanship, would you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/13/2008
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You haven't been paying attention. The IRS built the case against the player with their own cancelled checks and tax returns. Clemens is nailed. I don't go in for this "waste of time" argument. Congress is currently holding hearings in several "possible high crimes and misdemeanors" areas of the Bush administration and this hearing cuts right to the core of what is ailing America. These rich, priveledged athletes are just symbols of the greed that has infected all republic(a­n)s...
Teenagers are using these poisons, thanks to Roger...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 02/13/2008
- Jeff1958 I'm a Fan of Jeff1958 41 fans permalink
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Lee8301 is wrong. Accusing Dems in Congress of protecting Mitchell and trying to nail Clemens just shows poor reading comprehension. According to the article, it was a Dem Congressman asking Clemens about his future induction into the Hall of Fame. And it was a Rep Congressman who admonished today's witnesses.

Of course Clemens was on steroids. Just ask Mike Piazza or any Mets fan. 8 years wasn't that long ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:39 PM on 02/13/2008
- TekBoss I'm a Fan of TekBoss 9 fans permalink

Great. Just Freaking GREAT!

Give away, my civil rights. Grant immunity to telecoms. But make damn sure you investigate whether Clemens used steroids because it isn't like there is a war going on or the economy is collapsing or anything.

Really, aside from Chris Dodd, is there a single member of Congress that should keep their jobs????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/13/2008

Russ Feingold

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/13/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

Exactly, why prosecute one liar when the biggest liars are still among us and congress is looking the other side. Give me a break.
Lying, cheating is running rampant in the US
but only the little ones get squashed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 02/13/2008
- bookish I'm a Fan of bookish 4 fans permalink

Awww, c'mon now. They're gettin' ready to go after serial butt-kisser and grammarian Hariett Miers. Right to the top, baby.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:11 PM on 02/13/2008

Clemens officially ruined any legacy he had, when he tried to put the whole thing on his wife -- Buh...buh.­..but it wasn't me doing steroids, I was talking about my wife.

Real class there, big man. Real class.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/13/2008

I know there are far more important issues facing our country...­.BUT

I'm not even a sports fan of any kind and this is f**king riveting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 02/13/2008
- pfc1369 I'm a Fan of pfc1369 92 fans permalink
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O,say can you tell me, has Harrit Miers answered her subpoena yet? No?

Maybe when the Congress of the USA finishes admonishing the ballplayers.

What's that?

That's what I said: ballplayers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/13/2008

Clemens is digging his own grave. His squirming and stammering, and then having his lawyers stand up behind him wringing their hands and protesting seem to shout "this guy's a liar!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/13/2008
- 1oldlady I'm a Fan of 1oldlady 10 fans permalink
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 02/13/2008
- Bobby I'm a Fan of Bobby 15 fans permalink

Roger...Ro­ger...Roge­r. Please just stop this charade. More and more evidence is going to come out about you using roids and HGH. More and more testimony will come out from friends of yours like Andy P and Chuck K that will make your claims look like the lies they are. What doesn't one of your unscrupulous attorneys just tell you to shut up, tell the truth and go home. It won't be them serving time in the Big House for perjury.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 02/13/2008
- editor I'm a Fan of editor 9 fans permalink
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WTF?? They are having a hearing about BASEBALL in the United States Congress???? Why aren't they impeaching the President of the United States over lying about WMD?? Oh thats right; they forgot. I guess kAtiE; forgot to report about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 02/13/2008
- Bendersky I'm a Fan of Bendersky 3 fans permalink

Icredible. Congress holds hearings for a lying pitcher, but for a lying president responsible for hundreds of thousands deaths? Nothing. What's wrong with this picture?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/13/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 78 fans permalink
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second that

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/13/2008
- Bobby I'm a Fan of Bobby 15 fans permalink

They are both from Texas for one thing, well at least the former cheerleader form Yale claims he is. Secondly, Bu$h was one of the owners of the Texas Rangers when the era of steroids for started becoming prevalent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 02/13/2008
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Isn't it pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 02/13/2008
- StrayTalk I'm a Fan of StrayTalk 8 fans permalink
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Dan Burton looked and sounded like a fool. Roger Clemons isnt smart enough to lie his way out of this . Henry Waxman would rather be questioning Karl Rove and Dick Cheney. Non- baseball fans will continue to criticize and say what's the big deal? Investigating baseball and the Iraq war would not be a contradiction. Steroids, HGH and prescription drugs are a big problem in high school and college athletics. Don't dismiss it too lightly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/13/2008

Yes, and the republicans on the committee are doing backflips trying to help Clemens cover up his lies and impugn the accuser. Does any body else see that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 02/13/2008
- 1oldlady I'm a Fan of 1oldlady 10 fans permalink
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YES! See my other posts on this blog!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 02/13/2008
- bagelmaven I'm a Fan of bagelmaven 17 fans permalink

The Clemens/McNamee testimony was fascinating. Roger Clemens needs to deserve his accolades but is deserving of nothing if he used artificial substances to enhance his technique.

I think Roger Clemens is lying. If in fact Clemens's wife was using steroids it is beyond my understanding how Roger would not have known that even before the event took place and if SHE is using the chances are quite good that HE is using as well. It is hard for me to believe that when she experienced problems which COULD be serious why was no medical authority consulted. I think they would not consult anyone because the consequences would have been too risky.

The MRI medical report saw evidence of a mass on Clemens's "buttocks" and two extraordinarily qualified physicians said it most probably was from an injection and NOT of vitamin B12 shot but most probably of Winstral, a steroid. It was definitely they said not because of an injury.

Despite McNamee sometimes fudging the number particularities or questions from the press I believe, he is telling the truth on the big issue.

Most incriminating are the syringes. Saving the syringes while being a YUK factor does not diminish what kind of significance that evidence could lend. The same Rep. Congressman was the first one to call President Clinton a "scumbag" and use the dress as evidence but he discounts the syringe evidence as being despicable. It will be interesting IF not tainted, to see WHAT that evidence shows.

Why too did Clemens have to invite the nanny who was at the barbecue in question to his house directly before she was to testify in Congress? That gives an appearance that he may have coached a witness.A Congress request would have been sufficient.

Finally, and the most stark visual evidence is what Roger Clemens looks like today. He looks BULKED up. He looks better and stronger than when he was in his 20's. No matter how much one works out age takes its toll. At 46 Clemens looks like a linebacker at age 30.
THAT cannot lie.

Natalie Rosen

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/13/2008
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I don't care how many hours you spend in the weight room, you can NOT develop like Clemens has over the last 10-15 years without some sort of anabolic chemical(s). Now, is that something that Congress should be fretting over? It would seem more appropriate if fans stood up and demanded responsibility and integrity from players. Nobody likes a cheater.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/13/2008

Blooddoc: Let's all pretend that the NFL is not full of roid users (not to mention College football). Clemens is the devil.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:27 PM on 02/13/2008
- rh654 I'm a Fan of rh654 14 fans permalink

It was hysterical watching Politicians telling these guys about "ethics" and "honesty".­..

Politicians berating others about ETHICS?

This is truly bizarro world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 02/13/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Notice that the Republican members are protecting Clemens (a Republican and close friend of Bush family). Pathetic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/13/2008
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