Clemens Takes His Lumps on Capitol Hill

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RONALD BLUM and HOWARD FENDRICH | February 13, 2008 11:59 PM EST | AP

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Former New York Yankees baseball pitcher Roger Clemens, left, listens to the testimony of his former personal trainer Brian McNamee, right, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, Feb. 13, 2008 during the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on drug use in baseball. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without looking at Brian McNamee, Clemens told Congress, "I have strong disagreements with what this man says about me."

Separated by only a few feet at a wooden witness table Wednesday, Clemens and McNamee were never further apart.

There they sat, the star pitcher and his former personal trainer, under oath and facing blistering questions. For 4 1/2 hours, both men held to their versions of the he-said, he-said disagreement over whether McNamee injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone.

Clemens insisted it never happened. McNamee insisted it did.

His reputation and Hall of Fame candidacy potentially at stake _ not to mention the possibility of criminal charges, should he lie _ Clemens said: "I have never taken steroids or HGH. No matter what we discuss here today, I am never going to have my name restored."

For some members of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, Clemens' denials rang hollow, particularly in light of a new account of his discussion of HGH use, revealed by his friend and former teammate Andy Pettitte in a sworn affidavit.

"It's hard to believe you, sir," Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., told Clemens. "I hate to say that. You're one of my heroes. But it's hard to believe."

Clemens and McNamee, by all accounts once good friends, rarely glanced at one another. When Clemens did turn to his right, it was with the Rocket's mound glare. Seated between them was the day's third witness, Charles Scheeler, a lawyer who helped compile the report on drug use in baseball headed by former Senate majority leader George Mitchell.

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"Someone is lying in spectacular fashion," said Rep. Tom Davis of Virginia, the committee's ranking Republican.

Just like their stories, Clemens' Texas drawl was in strong contrast to the clipped cadences of McNamee, a former New York police officer.

"I told the investigators I injected three people _ two of whom I know confirmed my account," McNamee said. "The third is sitting at this table."

Ultimately, the matter could wind up with the Justice Department if prosecutors believe either man made false statements. The Justice Department is also reviewing used needles and bloody gauze pads McNamee turned over. His side says the items contained performance-enhancing drugs and Clemens' DNA.

"We found conflicts and inconsistencies in Mr. Clemens' accounts," said Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., the committee's chairman. "During his deposition, he made statements we know are untrue."

Eventually, the committee split largely along party lines, with the Democrats reserving their most pointed queries for Clemens, and the Republicans giving McNamee a rougher time.

"You're here under oath, and yet we have lie after lie after lie after lie," Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., told McNamee.

Rep. Christopher Shays, R-Conn., repeatedly called McNamee a "drug dealer."

One of McNamee's lawyers, Earl Ward, called it a "public flogging."

Waxman said afterward he hadn't "reached any conclusions" as to whether a criminal investigation is warranted, although several congressmen said a referral from the committee isn't needed to trigger one.

The session, held on the same day pitchers and catchers started reporting for spring training in Florida and Arizona, came exactly two months following the release of the Mitchell Report.

That investigation was prompted by another hearing on steroids held by the same committee in the same wood-paneled room, on March 17, 2005. That is best remembered for having tarnished the reputations of Mark McGwire _ who infamously repeated, "I'm not here to talk about the past" _ and Rafael Palmeiro _ who wagged his finger and declared he never had used steroids, then failed a drug test months later.

In a reference to that day, Rep. Mark Souder, R-Ind., cautioned Clemens and McNamee: "It's better not to talk about the past than to lie about the past."

Wednesday's hearing, which Waxman indicated would be his committee's last on the subject, was prompted by Clemens' various and vigorous denials of what McNamee told Mitchell. The Mitchell Report was the first public accounting of McNamee's allegations that he injected Clemens with HGH and steroids 16 to 21 times from 1998 to 2001. McNamee said Wednesday he now thinks those numbers are too low.

"They don't disagree on a phone call or one meeting," Waxman said. "If Mr. McNamee is lying, he has acted inexcusably and he has made Mr. Clemens an innocent victim. If Mr. Clemens isn't telling the truth, then he is acting shamefully and has smeared Mr. McNamee. I don't think there is anything in between."

Waxman said he considered calling off the hearing, but said he was persuaded to go forth by Clemens' lawyers, an account they disputed. He also accused Clemens of possibly trying to influence statements to the committee by the pitcher's former nanny.

Congressmen noted that Pettitte and another former Yankees teammate of Clemens, Chuck Knoblauch, both acknowledged that McNamee was correct when he said they used performance enhancers.

At times, Clemens struggled to find the right words as he was pressed by lawmakers. Clemens said Pettitte "misremembers" things. He mispronounced McNamee's name at one point. Toward the end, Clemens raised his voice to interrupt Waxman's closing remarks. The chairman pounded his gavel and said, "Excuse me, but this is not your time to argue with me."

It seemed clear early the committee would not treat Clemens with kid gloves, despite face-to-face meetings he did with representatives in recent days _ sometimes posing for photos or signing autographs for staff members.

There was one wide-eyed fan moment, when Rep. William Clay, D-Mo., relayed to Clemens that a colleague "wants to know what uniform will you wear into the Hall of Fame?"

When it was over, Clemens shook hands with Davis, then left through a back door.

Clemens later told reporters: "I'm very thankful and very grateful for this day to come. I'm glad for the opportunity finally. And, you know, I hope I get _ and I know I will have _ the opportunity to come here to Washington again under different terms."

His wife, Debbie, sat in the front row behind him and listened as Waxman implicated her in HGH use, citing statements by Pettitte. Clemens testified his wife took HGH once, although according to the transcript of last week's sworn deposition, Clemens told committee lawyers he didn't know of family members taking HGH.

IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, a key member of the team prosecuting Barry Bonds, watched from a second-row seat. Bonds, baseball's home run king, was indicted in November on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice stemming from his 2003 testimony to a grand jury in which he denied knowingly using performance-enhancing drugs.

Pettitte, who was excused Monday from testifying, said in a statement to the committee that Clemens told him nearly 10 years ago that he used HGH. Waxman read from affidavits by Pettitte and his wife, Laura, supporting the accusations.

"Andy Pettitte is my friend. He was my friend before this. He will be my friend after this and again. I think Andy has misheard," Clemens said. "I think he misremembers."

In his deposition, Pettitte also said that in 2003 or 2004, McNamee told him Clemens had used steroids. Committee lawyers asked Pettitte how he decided what to say, given that he was caught between conflicting accounts from two friends.

"I have to live with myself. And one day, I have to give an account to God _ and not to nobody else _ of what I've done in my life," Pettitte replied. "And that's why I've said and shared the stuff with y'all that I've shared with y'all today _ that I wouldn't like to share with y'all."

Portions of that transcript and others were shown on flat-panel TVs on walls in the room. It was jarring in black and white.

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WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
WASHINGTON — Roger Clemens stuck out his famous right arm, the one that earned 354 major league wins, seven Cy Young Awards, $160 million, and pointed in the direction of his accuser. Without lo...
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- shaggles I'm a Fan of shaggles 4 fans permalink

I agree with all who say that congress should be working on more important issues than this. What's next? A committee to look in to pro wresting?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/13/2008

you're gonna compare pro wrestling to America's pasttime? Get a life.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/14/2008

a mid-40's man throwing a baseball 98 mph & whose noggin has swollen a couple hat sizes is suspicious indeed....but not worthy of Congressional investigat­ions...swe­et Jesus help us...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/13/2008
- Ohg I'm a Fan of Ohg 5 fans permalink

The lack of willingness of all players and participants in Major League Baseball speaks to a culture of crime - perhaps even organized crime....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/13/roger-clemens-on-steroids/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/13/2008
- gwazdos I'm a Fan of gwazdos 3 fans permalink

It is Sad to see again why this Country is going to the Dogs. We currently have two WARS going on, Over 4000 soldiers killed in Iraq, data on Afghan is not reported, Wounded in Iraq to date is 51,302 and daily no one in the Mass Media even reports on these two Wars, Why they have more time to report if Brittany has farted today than report on how our young people and being killed and wounded to further enrich Bobble Head Bush Junior and Cheney coffer, Oh, almost forgot, Poor Exxon/Mobil need more funds for research. No Balls American people. Bush and Cheney should be Impeached, Charged with War Crimes and be in jail before the Baseball season starts, otherwise the Mass Media won't cover such trival matters!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/13/2008
- 1oldlady I'm a Fan of 1oldlady 10 fans permalink
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I get the feeling that for some reason the cover up is linked to Bush.

I say this only because one of the senators stated that the "owners, and the league had some form of knowledge of the use of steroids but since congress is allowing the league to police its self this should be investigated by both parties by staff." Uh, Bush had interest in them because he was apart of that elite group. Also, Clemenings stated in his opening statement that he got support from a phone call from those who hold high office and may reference to that he has his support.

Call me crazy, but given the track record with this administration I do not put it past them. Also, for what it is worth, someone is lying, which one is more the question. And it seems that the Republicans on the committee are defending Clemenings very strongly which has me thinking that why are they doing that, my conclusion is stated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 02/13/2008

Look, if we really want to stick it to baseball, why not just revoke their anti-trust exemption. The hearings back 05 had a dramatic effect on baseball's drug policy. Would have never happened had not MacGuire, et. al. had not pronated before congress so pathetically.

It has not been a total waste of time. You are all so concerned for the soldiers who are dying and I am too, but you all fail to see the significance of this abuse by athletes on our kids lives. Again, if youngsters weren't learning how to cheat and potentially destroy their lives with steroids I could care less what these "adults" were doing. Also, I would hope members of congress can multi-task and give proportion to the priorities we have. Yes, yesterday's hearing was a dog and pony show and a possibly a waste of time, but in this day and age where we watch this mindless plethora of "reality" tv, what did you really expect?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/14/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 17 fans permalink
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is it time for the second revolution yet?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 02/13/2008
- lastams I'm a Fan of lastams 50 fans permalink


Lie after lie after lie is told by Bush administration officals, two don't even show up, six million missing e-mails, destroyed CIA evidence, an outed CIA operative, documentated violations of the Hatch, FISA, and Presidential Records Acts, and what does the Congress do?
Nothing.
But a baseball player taking steroids;
Now there's something they can sink their teeth into!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:40 PM on 02/13/2008
- nomoredead I'm a Fan of nomoredead 10 fans permalink

Healthcare and Big Oil greed is destroying this country and Congress is having hearings on this. Disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 02/13/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 17 fans permalink
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didn't bush have some hgh (huge gannon heavings) stains on his suit?

put him under oath and let's watch him lie about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/13/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 75 fans permalink
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put him under water and let's watch him lie about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/13/2008
- Zhonni I'm a Fan of Zhonni 15 fans permalink
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Even though Mr McNamee had lied in the past, I believe that he is telling the truth here.

Clemens does not look or sound credible to me. He has contradicted himself quite a few times.

I think in the end Clemens would be found guilty of lying in the end.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/13/2008
- helonias I'm a Fan of helonias 222 fans permalink
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What would happen if he was a black women?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/13/2008

The Democrats are at it again. Major Baseball steroid use being questioned by our Congress? This is unreal. Let law enforcement do their job. This is a joke. Both are lying.

May this soon end

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/13/2008
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Democrats at it again???? No, genius, it is a bipartisan group. Get that part right at least.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/13/2008
- alkamm I'm a Fan of alkamm 42 fans permalink
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When Bush mentioned steroid use in his State of Union address a few years back, I thought it was a strange focus. Why would he want us to be concerned when so many more important abuses were going on in his administration?

If you've ever had a sore shoulder, one of the time-honored remedies was a cortisone shot into the painful area. It worked for a while. with human growth hormone, the same torn muscles grow back faster. So Clemons and others repaired their bodies this way. So what?

For years ball players used drugs recreationally and for an edge. Then they found that steroids helped them bulk up and heal faster. For years the practice was legal. Now players have to lie about it or face the same sort of disgrace as an Olympic runner. These are professionals, and they are nursing their bodies more or less appropriately.

Let's call off the old tired Puritanism that leads to such witch hunts. This is a religious issue, or at worst, a public health issue. If old-timers can squeeze a couple more years out of their arms with an amount of human growth hormone that other players might crank out naturally, I just don't care enough to quit watching baseball or see my Congress devoting their limited energies to it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 02/13/2008
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So it's okay to cheat? Oh that's right, this is America, where the only sin is getting caught.
Where'd you get your medical training?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 02/13/2008

Einstein: The most popular human in the entire USA built his entire empire around injesting this naughty drugs. If he had been born in the USA he would already have been elected President. If you think kids are so stupid they don't notice this, you should open your eyes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:28 PM on 02/13/2008

who has the bigger steroid head, bonds or clemens?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/13/2008
- sugarmoes I'm a Fan of sugarmoes 17 fans permalink
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which head?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/13/2008
- dax49 I'm a Fan of dax49 18 fans permalink

the constitution is daily being violated and this crap is what congress is investigating, how stupid do they think we are?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/13/2008

I am watching this and OFFENDED by the congressman who said that Clemens is being lynched- that what is happening to him is the same as lynching!! Did anybody else get offended by that? does anyone know his name??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/13/2008

Offensive, yes. He was referring to the name of the congressman who was previously questioning Clemons who's name is Lynch. Poor joke. A republican asshole joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/13/2008
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