"Red State" Democrats Dispute Clinton's Spin

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First Posted: 02-13-08 10:28 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Officials at several state Democratic Parties are taking exception and disagreed with statements by Sen. Hillary Clinton that seemingly write off the electoral relevance of their states.

In the wake of loses to Barack Obama in last weekend's slew of primaries, Clinton sought to minimize the political fallout by noting that several of the victories came from traditionally Republican-leaning states.

"It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she told reporters. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan ... And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma."

On Monday, the former first lady went a step further saying that it would take a "tsunami change in America," for Democrats to carry some of Obama's red states. "It's just not going to happen," she told ABC7 and Politico.

The premise of the argument was disputed by Democratic officials from several of those states, who say the landscape is ripe for the party to make inroads, and see the strategy of writing off the "red states" as antiquated.

"Their campaign has to work on where they are right now," said Matt Connealy, Executive Director of the Nebraska Democratic Party. "I don't think even Clinton should leave these predominantly red states alone. I think that is a recipe that has not proven to be effective in the past."

Indeed, the current argument over how and where Democrats should concentrate their resources mirrors similar disagreements that arose when Howard Dean took over as chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Then and now the questions were: Is the party best served securing victories in voter-rich swing states? Or can it build up enough support (and drain GOP money in the process) by nationalizing its operation?

"I think a lot of folks here have seen the failed policies of the Bush administration time and again and they are getting tired of this country not moving in a positive direction," said Rick Gion, communications director of the North Dakota Democratic Party. "If there was a year that North Dakotans would go for Democrats this would be one of the best ones."

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"We've had Democratic governors over the years. We've had Democratic legislatures. We've had a number of Democratic leaders elected to office," said Kay Brown, communications director for the Alaska Democratic Party. "Certainly it is possible [for a Democratic presidential candidate to win]. I think the Alaska is more closely divide then what you see in Congress."

The reality, of course, is far more daunting than these party officials let on. While Democrats in Alaska have been aided by ethics scandals of high-ranking GOP officials, the state is still predominantly Republican: 61 percent of the populace voted for George Bush in 2004. In North Dakota that number was 63 percent. And in Nebraska it was 66 percent.

But the same holds true in Texas and Oklahoma -- two states cited by Clinton as places where Democrats have to be "competitive" -- where Bush won 61 percent and 66 percent of the vote respectively. Clinton's campaign has trumpeted her win in Oklahoma's Democratic primary.

And yet, officials say, the benefits are worth the costs. Campaigning in the traditionally GOP states, Connealy notes "will get the base motivated and force the Republicans to spend resources."

And, he adds, you might be surprised: "If we make the ask in red states, people are willing to respond."

Officials at several state Democratic Parties are taking exception and disagreed with statements by Sen. Hillary Clinton that seemingly write off the electoral relevance of their states. In the wake...
Officials at several state Democratic Parties are taking exception and disagreed with statements by Sen. Hillary Clinton that seemingly write off the electoral relevance of their states. In the wake...
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- lungfish I'm a Fan of lungfish 106 fans permalink
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Maybe if she stood for something and actually acted on it, like the telecom immunity vote yesterday, we would have something to get behind.
She is a career politician who can't understand what that means. She has a strong will to win the election yet isn't even serving the people who put her in office. How many NY Dems are alienated now by her failure to put some weight against the telecom immunity drive? Where has she stood up against the "failed policies of the Bush Administration". How can an Independant like me take her seriously when I am seeing opportunities to demonstrate her principles and she is ignoring them?

Heck, she was in Arlington yesterday. Working on her campaign.... you don't think that she could have taken a few hours of her campaign time to do what her constituents elected her to do?

I don't care what Obama did yesterday other than to note that he did vote againts the immunity amendment and cloture though he failed the last vote on the bill itself...

I feel that her behavior yesterday around this vote is consistent with her past and will be indicative of her work if she becomes POTUS. When it comes time to hold the criminals of the current administration accountable will she be on vacation in Port Douglas? Or hanging out at Camp David? Or working on her re-election campaign? Maybe having a girls night out with Pelosi and co?

We need change alright, and she doesn't seem to represent that at all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:32 PM on 02/13/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

Raise your hand if you called it.


What, just me? Hillary Clinton has become absolutely predictable at this point. I was sitting around with a buddy of mine and we were discussing what Hillary Clinton would do to screw up her campaign.


Over the last two days she has dismissed Wisconsin while calling for a debate, stumped around Texas's Latino areas ignoring the fact that Latinos usually have a low turnout in Texas and have split equally with Obama since Super Tuesday, REPLACED her Hispanic campaign manager with a black woman even before getting to Texas, focused all of her efforts on two red states while dismissing the usefulness of red states....


I do think the woman is an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/13/2008

Ides, I second that thought, and the Church said AMEN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 02/13/2008
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I know a prosperous latino family on the Texas Gulf Coast who paid their 20 year old son several hundred dollars to vote for bush in 2004. Kid you not. The prosperous latinos are Republicans anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 AM on 02/14/2008

I would add to your comment, and while making these mistakes she continues to claim she is "more experienced" -- Ready on day one, with the looks of her campaign you just have to wonder.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:11 AM on 02/14/2008

Hillary is really proving herself to be not only antiquated in her thinking, but really not very smart. She will do or say anything and she is so naive she doesn't think that anyone notices.
Nothing matters to her ultimately other than her oversized and unsubstantiated ego.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:21 PM on 02/13/2008

This is the very reason clinton will not win the nomination. She is in denial on everything. First she agrees that Florida and Michigan shouldn't count. Now that she is in trouble, she wants them seated. She says all voters must be heard. Now she is dismissing states that obama won as irrelevant. She is all about dividing everything. If you feel the red states are unimportant then I guess Gore or Kerry taking a couple of them in the '00 and '04 campaign could not have made a difference.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 02/13/2008
- bccity I'm a Fan of bccity 3 fans permalink

No and I am breathlessly waiting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:51 PM on 02/13/2008

Yeah, so her wins in TN, OK, and AS don't mean anything either!

And she's trying so badly to win TX; a 'red state'.

What a hypocrite! If it wasn't for Howard Dean's 50-state strategy, we wouldn't have won seats on Montana, Virginia, and other Red States in 2006!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 02/13/2008
- lachgirl I'm a Fan of lachgirl 4 fans permalink

As a lifelong Red State democrat---and an Obama supporter--I am hurt by Hillary's thinking. I've waited many years to feel like I mattered in a presidential election, and finally this primary season, I did.

Which is why I (and the rest of my state) supported Obama. And here's a news flash: the conservatives in my red state have NO love for McCain. By campaigning here, Obama has given credibility and momentum to local politicians, as well as started many in the state thinking about whether they would vote for him.

We're all humans, not (R) voting robots, and respect goes a lot longer than Hillary seems to think.

Go Idaho.
Go Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/13/2008

You guys and gals rock! It's incredibly infuriating living in a state that gets written off as pointless or negligable. If what she said was true, she wouldn't focus on Texas at all because fat chance for Billary to win that state over McCain in the general. Ohio will be tuff enough. She contradicts herself at every turn and adamantly refuses to apologize. She just depreciated any value that voters may have had in those states. Hillary Clinton is nothing more than the disgraced, expendable selvage of the politicians of old. She can shove her stump speech histrionics straight where the sun doesn't shine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:02 PM on 02/13/2008

Ugh. I hate slang spellings... replace "tuff" with the more proper "tough" and "negligable" to "negligible."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:04 PM on 02/13/2008

My dad is a longtime conservative stalwart who contracts construction projects with religious right organizations like Focus on the Family, The Center for Creative Leadership and many others. He is a die hard reaganite who described the bush administration as a "hijacking of the conservative movement." He's fed up with the corruption. He's fed up with the lies. In november, he's plans to vote for Obama, the only candidate left standing that stands for universal policies for transparent, honest government. He's going to stomach "liberal social" policy and "socialist" economic policy (as he puts it) to support the candidate he believes is best suited to clean up Washington. If Obama is able to accomplish that, he's going to go back to electing the furthest right-leaning and honest candidate he can find.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 02/13/2008

Hillary is resorting to the the Giuliani strategy (everything will be fine after Texas and Ohio, nothing before that matters) because her initial campaign was based on the Rumsfeld strategy (no plan for what to do after Super Tuesday, because the shock and awe of the Clinton machine would crush all opposition in a very short time).

Maybe she needs better strategic role models.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 02/13/2008
- moda31 I'm a Fan of moda31 10 fans permalink

discounting voters probably isn't a good move. yes hillary won typically democrat states on super tuesday, but the fact is those states aren't suddenly going to become red states in the general election. they will largely continue to vote democrat no matter who the democratic nominee is, so it can't exactly hurt to try and speak to voters in so called red states where democrats might have an opportunity to do better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/13/2008

i was recently in the town of nevada, missouri. charter communications is the local cable tv provider and offers fox and cnn, but not msnbc.

fox=republicans
cnn= independents
msnbc=democrats

these people are being steered to republican voting by charter. this is indicative of of the entire national opinion being controlled by the few owners of the main stream media.

after the iowa caucas, hillary said oh well iowa is not important. iowans disagree.

after south carolina, bill said so what? it is a red state and jesse jackson won it twice.

i see a pattern of dissing any state hillary doesn't win. this is no way to unite a country!

the president serves the entire country and both parties should campaign in every state. we should seriously change our election system and public financing is the best answer.
we should start campaigns sooner to allow for one state each week to hold a primary. and there should be primaries in every state. during the week before the primary each candidate should be alloted a equal amount of tv time. this might even allow joe biden to win a primary, or chris dodd, or the other candidates who haven't sold their soul for campaign contributions. the public is being ripped off by the wealthy. our government has been stolen. when will people take action and reclaim their government by demanding public financing of campaigns?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 02/13/2008
- MsLiz I'm a Fan of MsLiz 109 fans permalink
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Charter Cable has MSNBC in Birmingham, Alabama. Thank God.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 02/13/2008

Barack Obama didn't have to sell his soul to raise massive campaign funds. His campaign is a testament to existing private campaign finance actually working with 700,000 individual contributors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 02/14/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Hillary sees an America divided. Shocking! Wonder why Obama is winning virtually every state by 15-20%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/13/2008
- AxelDC I'm a Fan of AxelDC 85 fans permalink
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She guarantees that she won't win states when she insults the voters. She hasn't learned that not only does playing Red state-Blue state lose the presidency, it makes it hard to control Congress as well. "Red staters" are Americans, too. "Red States" also send Democrats to Congress, and she is endangering their careers.

The President is the President of 50 states and DC, not the 18 states that he/she won. Clinton has the worst case of sour grapes imaginable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 PM on 02/13/2008
- roncraw I'm a Fan of roncraw 8 fans permalink

I voted in Fl. Every candidate was on the ballot. Obama ran ads prior to the primary no one else did.Fact fact.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/13/2008
- brueso I'm a Fan of brueso 4 fans permalink

There are alot of Floridians who didn't vote because they understood it was a beauty test since the party said no delegates would be awarded. Floridians and Michigan voters deserve to get to see the candidates fully and therefore, the only fair way to deal with those states is to hold caucuses or new primaries and have the candidates campaign there in anticipation of those contests. If Hillary is confident of her support, why should she fear this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 02/13/2008
- JackWOrf I'm a Fan of JackWOrf 10 fans permalink

Bring it on! But NOT bulls**t caucuses where Obama's thugs can intimidate and bribe voters. Obama IS the Chicago machine.

But I'm a Florida voter, who voted for Hillary, who is strongly in favor of a revote. But it MUST be a primary election, with a secret ballot, and early/evening/weekend voting, so that workers are not excluded (as they are at Obama's bulls**t caucuses).

But hey, I haven't seen Obama asking for any revotes in FL or MI. What is he, chickens**t?

And by the way, we had RECORD TURNOUT in Florida. People ignored the "beauty contest" hype that Obama and the bulls**t artists at DNC came up with.

"Beauty contest" my (a-word). Florida is the 4th largest state in the USA, with 27 electoral votes. Maybe Obama wants to sing his little song about "winning from east to west", etc. But HE knows better. HE knows he's a LIAR.

In November, when those 27 electoral votes are at stake, we'll see what a "beauty contest" it is.

And don't be so certain that Florida is going to go with Obama. The little a-hole hasn't even come down here. He scorns Florida for the sake of IDIOTIC red states where they would just as well LYNCH him as vote for him.

The RED states are going to go BLUE for HIM? A black liberal college perfesser, with a goofy African name and the same middle name as Sadam Hussein? Who wants to pull out of Iraq immediately?

What I would like to know is what Obama has been smoking lately. Must be pretty good stuff, cuz he is in outer space!

And don't it turn my red states blueeeee, who-who-who. Keep dreamin, Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 02/13/2008
- KaAp I'm a Fan of KaAp 21 fans permalink

Good for you ... the primary was held in violation of DNC rules many democrats did not vote ... how else would amendment one pass? Obama did not run ads for Florida they were a media buy package so that in order to run ads in SC it came as part of a package or a nationwide package and that all included Florida ... those are the facts ... However Clinton did skirt the DNC rules by campaigning in Florida her way around it was saying they were fundraisers like the one held in Largo, Florida ...
Those are the facts ... he did not violate the rules ... and Florida cannot count ... and she is trying to change the rules that all candidates agreed to .. and if you think she is doing it for Floridians to be represented you are really really mistaken ... why don't we just hold a real primary or a caucus and then see

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 02/13/2008
- JackWOrf I'm a Fan of JackWOrf 10 fans permalink

Let's drop the bulls**t debate about DNC rules. There is now an opportunity for a RE-VOTE in FL and MI.

Why isn't Obama pushing for a revote in FL and MI? Is he CHICKEN?

With all the BS hooplah about Obama winning all these MEANINGLESS caucuses, certain facts remain. The big blue states, who have 20 times the electoral votes of most of Obama's states, have gone to Hillary.

Obama now has an opportunity to show that he can win in #4 Florida and Michigan. Or CAN he? Come on Obama, show us that you are not just a skinny little CHICKEN. PUsh for a re-vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:57 PM on 02/13/2008

Yes, many people stayed home b/c they knew it wouldn't count.

Either do a re-vote for shut the hell up and take it like a man!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:12 PM on 02/13/2008
- dm92 I'm a Fan of dm92 11 fans permalink

Those delegates will NOT be seated unless another election takes place. How wrong is it to even request something that unfair? I think that has partly backfired on her - what do you take people for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 02/13/2008
- TerryFL I'm a Fan of TerryFL 11 fans permalink

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I did not vote because I viewed it as a waste of time. Exhibition voting...I think not. Just to correct the record on Obama's advertising in Florida : He only advertised on national cable (ie MSNBC ). These ads were cleared through the DNC.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 02/13/2008

Hillary, who agrees with Lieberman on Iran and many other issues, could care less about the party. When put to the test, Lieberman bailed on the party, and Hillary is proving to be made of the same stuff as Joe.

She gave victory speeches for spurious elections in states where the delegates had been stripped by the party and the names of the other candidates were not even on the ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:38 PM on 02/13/2008
- bola47 I'm a Fan of bola47 7 fans permalink
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Gee, she loaned her campaign $5 million. Now she needs donations so she can get her money back. Why not just give her campaign the money. Poor suckers who will be donating are just going to be paying her back. Bill earns millions each year but they do not want to use any of their own money for the campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 02/13/2008
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