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6 Dead in N. Illinois U. Hall Shooting

CARYN ROUSSEAU and DEANNA BELLANDI | February 14, 2008 11:44 PM EST | AP

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DEKALB, Ill. — A former student dressed in black walked onto the stage of a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University and opened fire on a packed science class Thursday, killing five students, wounding 16 and setting off a panicked stampede before committing suicide.

Police say they have no motive for the rapid-fire assault, carried out by the gunman who fired indiscriminately into the crowd with a shotgun and two handguns as students dove to the floor and ran toward the exit. At least two of the wounded were hospitalized in critical condition.

"I kept thinking, 'Oh God, he's going to shoot me. Oh God, I'm dead. I'm dead. I'm dead,'" said Desiree Smith, a senior journalism major who dropped to the floor near the back of the auditorium.

"People were crawling on each other, trampling each other," she said. "As I got near the door, I got up and I started running."

University President John Peters said four students died at the scene, including the gunman, and the other two died at a hospital. The teacher, a graduate student, was wounded but was expected to recover.

Peters said the gunman was a former graduate student in sociology at NIU, but was not currently enrolled at the 25,000-student campus about 65 miles west of Chicago.

"It appears he may have been a student somewhere else," University Police Chief Donald Grady said.

Witnesses said the skinny gunman, dressed in black and wearing a stocking cap, emerged from behind a screen on the stage of 200-seat Cole Hall and opened fire just as the class was about to end around 3 p.m.

Officials said 162 students were registered for the class but it was unknown how many were there Thursday.

Lauren Carr said she was sitting in the third row when she saw the shooter walk through a door on the right-hand side of the stage, pointing a gun straight ahead.

"I personally Army-crawled halfway up the aisle," said Carr, a 20-year-old sophomore. "I said I could get up and run or I could die here."

She said a student in front of her was bleeding, "but he just kept running."

"I heard this girl scream, 'Run, he's reloading the gun.'"

Student Jerry Santoni was in a back row when he saw the gunman enter a service door to the stage.

"I saw him shoot one round at the teacher," he said. "After that, I proceeded to get down as fast as I could."

Santoni dived down, hitting his head the seat in front of him, leaving a knot about half the size of a pingpong ball on his forehead.

Seventeen victims were brought to nearby Kishwaukee Community Hospital, where one died, according to spokeswoman Theresa Komitas. One male was transferred in critical condition and died at OSF St. Anthony Medical Center in Rockford, an official said.

Minutes after the shooting erupted, students phoned each other and sent text messages even before school officials could warn them, many said. The school Web site announced a possible gunman on campus within 20 minutes of the shots and locked down the campus, part of a new security plan created after a student at Virginia Tech killed 32 people last year.

"This is a tragedy, but from all indications we did everything we could when we found out," Peters said.

Michael Gentile was meeting with two of his students directly beneath the lecture hall when the shootings happened. He could hear the chaos a few feet above his head.

"The shotgun blast must have been so loud," said Gentile, a 27-year-old media studies instructor. "It sounded like something was dropping down the stairs... We had no idea what this was."

Then, shorter, sharper noises he recognized as handgun shots.

"There was a pretty quick succession ... just pow, pow, pow," said Gentile, who didn't leave his office for about 90 minutes. He used a surveillance camera just outside his office to confirm that the people knocking on his door were police.

George Gaynor, a senior geography student, who was in Cole Hall when the shooting happened, told the student newspaper the Northern Star that the shooter was "a skinny white guy with a stocking cap on."

He described the scene immediately following the incident as terrifying and chaotic.

"Some girl got hit in the eye, a guy got hit in the leg," Gaynor said outside just minutes after the shooting occurred. "It was like five minutes before class ended too."

Witnesses said the young man carried a shotgun and a pistol. Student Edward Robinson told WLS that the gunman appeared to target students in one part of the lecture hall.

"It was almost like he knew who he wanted to shoot," Robinson said. "He knew who and where he wanted to be firing at."

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms sent 15 agents to the scene, according to spokesman Thomas Ahern. He said information about the weapons involved would be sent to the ATF's national database in Washington and given urgent priority. The FBI also was assisting.

All classes were canceled Thursday night and the campus was closed on Friday. Students were urged to call their parents "as soon as possible" and were offered counseling at any residence hall, according to the school Web site.

The school was closed for one day during final exam week in December after campus police found threats, including racial slurs and references to shootings earlier in the year at Virginia Tech, scrawled on a bathroom wall in a dormitory. Police determined after an investigation that there was no imminent threat and the campus was reopened. Peters said he knew of no connection between that incident and Thursday's attack. Peters said he knew of no connection between that incident and Thursday's attack.

The shooting was the fourth at a U.S. school within a week.

On Feb. 8, a woman shot two fellow students to death before committing suicide at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge. In Memphis, Tenn., a 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a fellow student Monday during a high school gym class, and the 15-year-old victim of a shooting at an Oxnard, Calif., junior high school has been declared brain dead.

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Associated Press writers Carla K. Johnson, Michael Tarm, David Mercer, Martha Irvine, Nguyen Huy Vu, Sarah Rafi and Mike Robinson contributed to this report.


 
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Gun Control: Ghandi was against it, Hitler was for it.

What else do you need to know?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 02/21/2008

guys, here is the quote with which i meant to preface my comment above. please excuse.

"Late Friday, a former employee at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center told The Associated Press that Kazmierczak was placed there after high school by his parents. She said he used to cut himself, and had resisted taking his medications."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 AM on 02/19/2008



Not about guns but it is about guns. It is about the false belief there is such a thing as 'background' checks for gun purchases. There is no 'system' whatsover. And even if there were it could not and would not work.

Please note: the guy had a history of psychiatric problems and he didn't want to be labeled "mentally ill" and he resisted taking medications. What happened then? Nothing? What is glaringly amiss are the facts. Are "pills" as administered by the US "healthcare" insurance system the answer?

One and one counseling with a quality, professional trained psychologist (not social workers or 'counselers') could have made a huge difference in the lives of so many young Americans; the dead and the living, the perpetrators and the victims.

Healthcare insurance that pays for pills but not help; and lack of appropriate, qualified psychotherapists (not sex counselors playing therepist as in the case of "Cho") whose concern is the one who is 'ill' rather than there own self image, are front and center the root cause to this epidemic of massacres on college campuses.

Neither Cho nor Steve K's acts of violence occurred in a vacuum and to believe otherwise is self delusion.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 AM on 02/19/2008

And old friend of mine that passed away several years ago met Hitler at the 1938 Olympics. He found him very nice and charming.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 PM on 02/18/2008
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It's astonishing how many frightened cowards come out of the woodwork when one of these bloody aberations unfortunately occurs. From their trembling lips utterances of BAN GUNS fills the liberal blogs.

Bullshit.

Take responsibility for your self defense in your own hands. Grow a pair of balls.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 02/16/2008
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You know nothing about gun issues & gun violence problems in our country, do you Bee? Fortunately, not everyone is so ignorant.

K

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:44 PM on 02/17/2008

Right, everyone could be like you. Someone who has admitted to refusing to be educated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/17/2008

I am keen to know exactly what solution(s) do gun advocates have in mind for solving situations such as the one in N. lllinois U.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 02/18/2008

Hi Bee. I'm a liberal with a BlackBelt.Why don't you call me a coward that to my face, and watch me tremble. You'll learn in about 5 seconds how frightenen I am.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 PM on 02/18/2008
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Hi Steve. Your BlackBelt would look pretty ridiculous against my Walther PPK.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 PM on 02/19/2008

Perhaps the situation in some part of this country is so unsafe because of easy access to guns that now you need a gun to feel safe. Perhaps now it may be a valid reason to own a gun.
It used to be to defend against robbers and muggers, you are prepared for such situations and you can react to it if the need arises.
Now you get shot at in places and by people you least expect to happen.In the first place if guns weren't easily available, such killings may not even happen.
Sorry to say this but many people in this country, while being well inform with what is going on within, know nuts about the world outside US except maybe for the countries Bush invaded. In this blog alone there are so many comments given about countries that ban gun ownership and their citizens feel a lot safer and their country don't have mass killing like in the US.
If you think US is the World and everybody must follow US standard then you better open your eyes and learn a thing or two from others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 02/16/2008
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Here is a great resource page for all you gun owners out there.

http://www.nra-kkk.org/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 02/15/2008

Or you could try telling the truth.

http://www.nrahq.org/safety/eddie/fact.asp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 02/15/2008

Bicyclerepairman; Dumb ass that is an ad for toys not guns . get a forking life or go back on your medz in the basement. 1776

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:04 AM on 02/16/2008
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Typical low IQ gun nut who is incapable of detecting sarcasm and is obviously too dumb to cross the street on his own let alone have a loaded weapon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/16/2008

bicycle; But the wording sucked.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 AM on 02/16/2008

Gun addicts are in much the same denial mode as alcoholics. One loves their drink; the other loves their firearms and they will go to any length to justify and rationalize their addiction.
With any such compulsive behavior the addict has to reach rock bottom before they see the destructiveness of their actions. With an alcoholic it frequently takes the loss of job and loved ones before they begin to help themselves. Fortunately for them their is help and solace through AA.
The gun addict though, can even lose a loved one to gunfire and will continue to think the same way because he has the NRA, composed of fellow deranged individuals to enable his behavior.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/15/2008

More emotional rhetoric, ad hominems and false comparisons.

Really folks, can't you do any better?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 PM on 02/15/2008

Wow, you just helped to prove his point with your empty, unreasoned bluster.

Perfect denial.
Well done Thirdpower!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 02/15/2008
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-MURDERS WITH FIREARMS (per capita) (most recent) by country.

-From highest murder rate to lowest.

-AMERICA IS WITHIN TOP TEN of the most (gun) murderous countries in the world.

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#1 South Africa: 7.2 per 10,000 people


#2 Colombia: 5 per 10,000 people


#3 Thailand: 3.1 per 10,000 people

#8 United States: .3 per 10,000 people

#20 Canada: .05 per 10,000 people (gun control)

#32 United Kingdom: .01 per 10,000 people (severe gun control)

-England is at the bottom of the list.

-Japan (guns not allowed) does not even make the list

-PROOF THAT GUN OWNERSHIP DOES NOT REDUCE GUN MURDER RATES

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders-firearms-per-capita

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 02/15/2008
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That means with gun control, England has 1/30 of the gun murders that we do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:16 PM on 02/15/2008

Did you need to play the "top of the post game" w. your cherry picked statistics? What are the historical trends in comparison to laws? Why does SA, Columbia, and Thailand have stricter gun control yet higher crime?

Why does the UN say this:

From the UN, which Nationmaster is gets its info from:
It should be noted that the crime statistics reported to the United Nations in the context of its various surveys on crime levels and criminal justice trends are incidents of victimization that have been reported to the authorities in any given country. That means that this data is subject to the same problems of accuracy as all official crime data. The variety of potential problems with recorded crime statistics is illustrated in the diagram below.

Oh, right, because when you're being patently dishonest, repeating yourself is all you've got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 02/15/2008
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"Why does SA, Columbia, and Thailand have stricter gun control yet higher crime? "

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stricter than England or Japan? gee, post your evidence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:58 PM on 02/15/2008
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"That means that this data is subject to the same problems of accuracy as all official crime data."

:|

so, what's your point? That US crime stats are false in that they show a declining crime rate fro m 1973?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:59 PM on 02/15/2008

Coyote2; America also has the highest rate of deaths by drugs and drunk drivers. 1776 Game , Set, Match.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/16/2008

What happened at NIU is an absolute tragedy that has repeated itself too many times..

http://www.ssristories.com/index.php

If you look at all the school shootings, what is their common denominator? All the shooters were on some form of an ANTIDEPRESSANT. Just becasue you are on these meds: Zoloft, Paxil, Wellbutrin and so on that does not make you menatlly ill. These pills are being prescribed to anyone who had something sad happened to them and by going to a primary care physician, big mistake!, are given these meds as I quik fix. These meds should only be prescribed by psychiatrist who can make the proper diagnosis. What once was "sad life events" are now disorders.

The media is portraying the shooter as "mentally ill", "disturbed", but everyone who knew him say he was very smart, social, helpful and not the monster seen on TV. Don't you think the people closest to him would have known that he was mentally ill? I am very curious what meds he was on? These meds, induce mentall illness. The side effects of these meds include suicidal ideation, sleepwalking, hallucinations, paranoid ideation, anxiety, agitiation, insomnia and too many other to list and if prescribed with other meds such as Ambien, or taken with alcohol and even nicotine, their side effects magnify exponentially.

The problem is not found in the guns, the shooters, the security, metal detectors..The problem are the deadly pills that the pharamceutical companies produce and push into the main stream and the FDA who approves them knowing very well what dangers they pose.

Here are some interesting reports about these meds:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUchjOKxKY8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=OyPuE314SDQ&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=U2Sd73DQ2J0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3609599239524875493&q=DRUGGING%2BOF%2BOUR%2BCHILDREN

I know that these meds do help, those that are properly diagnosed, but they really hurt those that are not!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 PM on 02/15/2008
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We don't yet know what medication he was on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/15/2008

My statement comes from PERSONAL family experience. It has nothing to do with Sciencetology. Unless you or someone you love has gone through an incorrect diagnosis and suffered serious, even criminal tragedy as a result of these drugs, you really have no business commenting and insulting others.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/16/2008
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american's are born killers.mix in any gun to anyone and we get what we deserve.

get used to it,cause its never going to stop

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:52 PM on 02/15/2008

Why not build fences around around university campus or at least where big buildings are located for classes and install metal detectors in every entrance? It might be expensive, but it will come cheap in the long run and save lives especially this country is full of basket case running around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:41 PM on 02/15/2008
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How about more security?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 02/15/2008

That's not good enough..secure the area first.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:49 PM on 02/15/2008
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This is stupid. A classic case of someone thinking that they're thinking.

So now the perpetrator arives at the secure fence, shoots the guard or guards, then continues to the previously unsecured building and still kills a few people.

Fuck, Americans couldn't think their way out of a paper bag.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 PM on 02/15/2008

You are an idiot. If the campuses are locked down, it's not like there aren't other places where there are large groups of people. What next? Malls, libraries, and playgrounds? If liberals had it thier way, we'd be living in an effectual prison.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 PM on 02/16/2008
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Yes, Rethugs, we should definitely make it easier for more people to get guns. In fact, every single student in every school across the nation should most definitely be armed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:28 PM on 02/15/2008
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even better.every american over the age of 18 should carry an ak with a 50 round clip.that way we can practice population control.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 PM on 02/15/2008

To me, the larger issues are 1) how we deal with (or not) those with mental and psychlogical health problems in our society, culture and for profit controlled health care system, and 2) a culture in America that has encouraged and glorifed the use of gun and related violence in our history and media.
It might be better for politicans to recognize these points, to make sure people have access to proper care without conditions of cost, fear of affects on their employment or social life and to try to curb America's long and bad history of guns and violence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 02/15/2008

Hey hey, hey hey we're the NRA
And you won't take our guns away.
Our powder's dry and the fuse is lit
And we won't stand for your lib'ral shit.

We got the word from Jesus Christ
To make sure all you guys get iced.
Our dicks are small but our guns are big
And we won't take your crap, you dig?

Even Charlton, who once played Moses,
hates all gun laws and supposes
All you commies will one day be
Blasted to red's eternity.

When we've got our favorite Glock
Our manhood all will dare not mock,
And don't forget you pansy smarty
That we belong to God's Own Party

And when at last the Big Guy calls
And takes us to those heavenly halls
The Duke will greet us with a smile
And say to us in his own style:

"Hey hey, hey hey you're the NRA
And they won't take your guns away
Your powder's dry and the fuse is lit
And you won't stand for their lib'ral shit."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:18 PM on 02/15/2008
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