Conservatives Revisit Third Party

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ERIC GORSKI | February 13, 2008 05:56 PM EST | AP

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The same conservative Christian activist who called a meeting last fall to discuss backing a third-party candidate to counter a possible Rudy Giuliani candidacy is revisiting the idea as Sen. John McCain closes in on the Republican presidential nomination.

Bob Fischer, a South Dakota businessman and anti-abortion activist, told The Associated Press on Wednesday that while he could back the Arizona senator over either Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton or Barack Obama, he made clear that he and others in the evangelical movement are not content with those choices.

"I'll be working in other ways to see that we have additional choices as conservatives," Fischer said.

He declined to elaborate, but held out hope that Mike Huckabee might mount an improbable comeback, or that another "good conservative, Godly, Christian pro-life" GOP candidate somehow emerge to supplant McCain. The Arizona lawmaker has opposed abortion during his four terms in the Senate.

Fischer also volunteered an alternative scenario: supporting the nominee of the fledgling Constitution Party.

Although some conservative Christian activists are warming to McCain, Huckabee's success with that voting bloc in recent primaries and caucuses shows that much work remains for McCain.

Several Christian conservative leaders dismiss renewed talk of a third-party strategy, but any significant loss of conservative Christian voters could spell trouble for McCain in a close general election.

"Some of these folks might be trying to send a signal to McCain," said Mark Rozell, a political scientist at George Mason University. "There are also some people in that movement who believe McCain is hopeless. And they're not bluffing."

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McCain already faces danger if conservative Christians are not energized about his candidacy, and the prospect of a third-party candidate siphoning off even a half-percentage point of McCain support could be a difference-maker, Rozell said.

Last fall, Fischer called a meeting in Salt Lake City as Christian conservative leaders attended a separate gathering of the ultra-secretive Council for National Policy, an umbrella group for the movement.

Most attendees of Fischer's meeting, including Focus on the Family founder James Dobson, agreed to support a minor-party candidate if Giuliani emerged as the Republican nominee, according to Dobson and others in attendance. Another group suggested creating a new party, but no consensus emerged, Dobson wrote in an op-ed in The New York Times.

Several Christian conservative leaders, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Fischer has invited them to a follow-up meeting next month in New Orleans coinciding with another Council for National Policy meeting.

Fischer would not confirm nor deny a meeting, but said, "If I told you we were, I think the success of that meeting would be greatly compromised."

Mat Staver, who heads the conservative Christian legal group Liberty Counsel, said blunting McCain with a minor-party candidate has scant support because McCain is much closer to social conservatives on issues than Giuliani.

Former GOP presidential candidate and conservative Christian Gary Bauer, who endorsed McCain this week, also was dismissive: "I think the third-party idea has effectively gone the way of all bad ideas," Bauer said.

Fischer said that for large numbers of social conservatives to entertain backing McCain, he would need to reverse himself on several positions, including his support for relaxing restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research. Fischer said if McCain prevails short of doing that, he and many other conservatives "will not work as hard as we could" to elect him.

He then raised the possibility of Christian conservatives lining up behind the Constitution Party, citing its conservative moral stances and ability to get on state ballots, a steeper challenge for an entirely new party.

The Constitution Party, which calls itself "completely pro-life, pro-gun, pro-American sovereignty and independence," has secured spots on about 16 state ballots and hopes to exceed 40, national field director Gary Odom said. The party has nominated founder Howard Phillips as its presidential candidate in the past and will select its candidate in April.

Said Fischer: "The Republican Party needs to remember that (the Constitution Party) will nominate a conservative. If the Republican Party wants to avoid defeat in November, they need to do the same. There are no votes to waste in this election."

The same conservative Christian activist who called a meeting last fall to discuss backing a third-party candidate to counter a possible Rudy Giuliani candidacy is revisiting the idea as Sen. John McC...
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- djthedj I'm a Fan of djthedj 2 fans permalink

Maybe they should run little Ricky Santorum on the closet gay christian ticket. Maccaca boy Allen can be his running mate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:37 AM on 02/15/2008
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I think if you consider yourself 'a conservative', or you're a religious-minded type, and you see JUST how rotten the whole road-show has gotten, then voting Independent
might just be 'the ticket'. When the government, through lack of collective competency, or paralysis from being systematically attacked by the Mob, can't well maintain the borders, and the whole 'business' is reinforced by weak-minded liberals, and the GOP appears to have been bought out in toto by some guy with an oil drilling outfit, and the dems, well, they still want to practice 'give the world a big cookie, and make it all better'-omics, which is probably part of why the UN was allowed to ghettoize and become a global house of ill repute, well, suffice it to say it gets darn confusing at the polling booth, there.
A lot of countries have been providing their 'input' into our government for years, decades, even, Mexico in high profile there, for obvious reasons, they'd like nothing so much as to burrow their way right up Uncle Sam's leg for all perpetuity, kind of like a waterborne parasite. Yeah, interesting times we live in, people getting wrapped around the axle about a lot of stuff, and taking happy pills and mentally going away from the problem, everyone wants to pull our chain and get 50 bucks, well, Clinton and his NAFTA and Bush and his globalization have managed to screw up several countries pretty much simultaneously.
Including ours. Yaaaay.

But, what else is new...chapter XCKDVLXVIII...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 AM on 02/15/2008
- drblack I'm a Fan of drblack 19 fans permalink

True evangelical Christians will ONLY vote for jesus.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 AM on 02/15/2008
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The closer McCain moves to the extremists in the GOP the more likely he is to take a beating in the national election. As it stands today, I believe McCain will lose the election by a historical margin. In fact, I think the GOP will lose more seats in the House and Senate. Nothing the man can do will change this. All this talk of a close election is to put it bluntly horse shit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 02/14/2008
- lvogt I'm a Fan of lvogt 25 fans permalink

They may never win the presidency but they could be a very large block in Congress that could control a lot of legislation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:29 PM on 02/14/2008
- cindyw I'm a Fan of cindyw 44 fans permalink
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A third party candidate will do for the Republicans what Ralph Nader did for the Democrats. It will guarantee a Democrat in the White House. I'm praying that they're stupid enough to do it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:02 PM on 02/14/2008
- fourex I'm a Fan of fourex 15 fans permalink
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ajax2 is spot on.

"I believe Evangelicals are being a bit greedy. Sen. McCain has already endorsed torture, a 100 year occupation of Iraq, and more killing in the Mid-east. That should be a very attractive package for the Christian Right."

Those McCain positions for more torture, more war, and a 100 year occupation seem to be tailored for the Christian Right. What more are they looking for?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 02/14/2008

McCain is the perfect evangelical candidate: He's not black; he's not a woman, he IS a pandering hypocrite and his arms are too short to reach his own zipper.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 02/14/2008

"Pro-life, Pro-gun."
Pro-Magnon.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 02/14/2008
- BobSF94117 I'm a Fan of BobSF94117 9 fans permalink

Criterion #1: prospective nominee does not dawdle in the men's room...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:35 PM on 02/14/2008

Well damn... there goes 3/4ths of the freaking party.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 02/14/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 38 fans permalink

And the remainin one-quarter prefer muscular, drug-dealing masseurs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:44 PM on 02/14/2008
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What a terrific idea!!

Even better! They could go back to wherever their ancestors came from and leave America's government out of their strange, archaic, humbler-than-thou cults.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/14/2008
- desmirl I'm a Fan of desmirl 9 fans permalink

Evangelicals are wanting to pick up their marbles and go home. And the #1 reason is? Their idea of innerrancy applies not only to the King James Version of the Bible, but to their version of the Republican Party. They are unable to compromise, because to do so would betray everything they stand for. They won't be satisfied until they have their own national political party--and in doing so they will totally marginalize what will be left of the Republican Party--the moderates and fiscal conservatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 02/14/2008
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Great threat, but it will never happen. First off, they know they couldn't get elected, and the fundamentalists are all about getting power and jamming their agenda down everybody else's throat.

And how hard would it be to out-manoeuvre a party whose members' average IQ is about 80?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/14/2008
- desmirl I'm a Fan of desmirl 9 fans permalink

80? I fear you give them far more credit than they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 PM on 02/14/2008
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Watching Republicans eat their own = my favorite pastime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 PM on 02/14/2008

I'm continually amazed by these so-called christians, and heck - even most conservatives in general.
All they do is complain and rant against America and they want to change Everything that is America. And then they say: America is great.
If it is great (and I'm not sure we are at the moment) why would they want to change it!
If they don't like anything in America, maybe they should leave. IF they stay, they need to read up on American History and heck History in general. We live in America not the New Jerusalem(sp?).
A.B.C - Anyone But a Conservative '08
Be Right Vote Left

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:28 PM on 02/14/2008
- Liberal2 I'm a Fan of Liberal2 38 fans permalink

Exactly. And excellent bumper sticker solgans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 02/14/2008
- elr50 I'm a Fan of elr50 20 fans permalink

To me the Born Agains are all a bunch of f'in idiots. POWERFUL idiots who make me angry and embarrassed to be an American. They STINK. F em all.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:18 PM on 02/14/2008
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