John McCain Goes After Barack Obama

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First Posted: 02-14-08 09:51 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate:

In a debate in 2006 on ethics in the Senate, which Mr. McCain regarded as a signature issue, he dressed down Mr. Obama and accused the freshman senator of disingenuousness. Mr. Obama called Mr. McCain cranky.


In public, that dispute melted away when the two cocked their fists at each other and hugged for a mutually beneficial photo opportunity. Their rapport has not advanced, and the two have a distant relationship.The two men are very different. Mr. McCain, 71, is a veteran of political and military battles. Mr. Obama, 46, is community organizer turned Ivy League graduate. Mr. McCain has told friends and associates that he views Mr. Obama as something of an upstart whose charmed political life delivered him to the same place Mr. McCain's decades of public and military service did.

And, associates said, Mr. McCain had always hoped to take on Mrs. Clinton.

UPDATE II: Politico's Jonathan Martin reports: McCain campaign manager Rick Davis "today sent an unmistakable message to Barack Obama over the Illinois Democrat's effort to stoke the obvious age contrast between himself and the 71-year-old McCain: Bring it on.:

"It's nice of him to constantly point out how nice he thinks of John McCain and his half-century of service to our country," Davis said sardonically. "I don't think he can get that ["half-century" line] out enough."


"I actually think half a century of service to our country is a good thing. If you would like to talk about the day John McCain went into the Naval Academy and pledged his loyalty to our country and everything that's happened since then, let's prosecute that. We love those kinds of discussions."

Davis, speaking at a Washington luncheon with reporters, also extended the criticism leveled by his candidate last night, suggesting that the 46-year-old Obama was offering vague rhetoric to mask liberal views.

"I think it's easy to say, 'let's have hope,'" Davis said. "But hope has to come into some form.

And Obama responded to to McCain, telling a crowd in Wisconsin that the GOP senator had "traded principles for his party's nomination."

Obama argued McCain has acted like President George W. Bush on the economy and on the Iraq war.
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"George Bush may not be on the ballot this fall, but his tax cut and his economic policies are... that is a debate that I'm happy to have, because the American people know that Bush's policies have not worked for ordinary Americans," Obama said.

Obama said he was surprised by McCain's recent criticism of his economic policy - direct criticisms McCain started in the last few days.

"Economics is not his strong suit," Obama said with a smile, "he said 'I don't understand economics very well', and after he said that, it shows."

Obama told the audience that he believes McCain's economic policies would be "more of the same" of Bush tax policies - and argued McCain's position has undergone a transformation since running for president.


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UPDATE: John McCain again attacked Obama on Wednesday.

As he did Tuesday night, McCain focused much of his criticism on Obama, Tuesday's winner on the Democratic side.


"I respect him and the campaign that he has run, but there's going to come a time when we have to get into specifics," McCain told reporters Wednesday on Capitol Hill. "I've not observed every speech he's given, obviously, but they are singularly lacking in specifics."

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In his victory speech after the Potomac primaries, John McCain took several thinly veiled shots at Barack Obama, claiming that offering "only rhetoric" to advance the country "is not the promise of hope. It is a platitute."

Hope, my friends, is a powerful thing. I can attest to that better than many, for I have seen men's hopes tested in hard and cruel ways that few will ever experience. And I stood astonished at the resilience of their hope in the darkest of hours because it did not reside in an exaggerated belief in their individual strength, but in the support of their comrades, and their faith in their country. My hope for our country resides in my faith in the American character, the character which proudly defends the right to think and do for ourselves, but perceives self-interest in accord with a kinship of ideals, which, when called upon, Americans will defend with their very lives.


To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude.

When I was a young man, I thought glory was the highest ambition, and that all glory was self-glory. My parents tried to teach me otherwise, as did the Naval Academy. But I didn't understand the lesson until later in life, when I confronted challenges I never expected to face.

McCain ended the salvo by ripping off one of Obama's signature lines:

As I have done my entire career, I will make my case to every American who will listen. I will not confine myself to the comfort of speaking only to those who agree with me. I will make my case to all the people. I will listen to those who disagree. I will attempt to persuade them. I will debate. And I will learn from them. But I will fight every moment of every day for what I believe is right for t his country, and I will not yield.


And, my friends, I promise you, I am fired up and ready to go.

Meanwhile, TPM's Greg Sargent highlights Obama's speech tonight drawing increasingly clear contrasts with McCain:

When I am the nominee, I will offer a clear choice. John McCain won't be able to say that I ever supported this war in Iraq, because I opposed it from the beginning. Senator McCain said the other day that we might be mired for a hundred years in Iraq, which is reason enough to not give him four years in the White House.


If we had chosen a different path, the right path, we could have finished the job in Afghanistan, and put more resources into the fight against bin Laden; and instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Baghdad, we could have put that money into our schools and hospitals, our road and bridges - and that's what the American people need us to do right now.

And I admired Senator McCain when he stood up and said that it offended his "conscience" to support the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in a time of war; that he couldn't support a tax cut where "so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate." But somewhere along the road to the Republican nomination, the Straight Talk Express lost its wheels, because now he's all for them.

Well I'm not. We can't keep spending money that we don't have in a war that we shouldn't have fought. We can't keep mortgaging our children's future on a mountain of debt. We can't keep driving a wider and wider gap between the few who are rich and the rest who struggle to keep pace. It's time to turn the page.

UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate: In a debate in 2006 on ...
UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate: In a debate in 2006 on ...
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- avicenna I'm a Fan of avicenna 23 fans permalink
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At the risk of sounding politically incorrect, it is only pragmatic to acknowledge that it would be adverse to everyone's interests to have someone of McCain's advanced age in the position of the "decider" for the next 4 years - at the end of his tenure he will be 75 years old. There is already a notable decline in his mental acuity over the last few years - most evident when he rambles through his speeches. Men after the age of 66 have significant shrinkage in both lobes of the brain (and possibly, other areas of their anatomy not pertinent to the role of President). The frontal and temporal lobes control thinking, planning and memory. And greater shrinkage is seen in the parieto-occipital region of men which is located at the back of the brain and is responsible for not only thinking but also integration of sensory information. To solve America's stack of problems that are a direct product of archaic modes of thinking, there is a real need for a sharp new perspective and mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 AM on 02/13/2008
- JadedAggie I'm a Fan of JadedAggie 9 fans permalink

It's a legitimate concern in as far as his VP will also matter more than it normally would. Whether it is fair or not his age will be taken into consideration, which means if his VP is seen as unfit for office it could hurt him much more than it normally would. Obviously you never want somebody incompetent as your running mate, but he also has to be cautious of picking somebody to ideological. People are going to have to consider whether or not they would be okay with his VP taking office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:28 AM on 02/13/2008
- Lisette I'm a Fan of Lisette 37 fans permalink
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JadedAggie
Right and remember when Nancy kept him hidden from the world all the time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 AM on 02/13/2008
- strangelet I'm a Fan of strangelet 22 fans permalink

You know, I will probably emigrate if McCain wins, but this argument is pointless. Did it keep people from voting for Reagan? He was halfway into Alzheimer's by his second election.

Oppose him on his positions. For every twenty-something you get with the age argument, you'll lose two pissed off sixty-somethings.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 AM on 02/13/2008
- nick1936 I'm a Fan of nick1936 16 fans permalink

Yes oppose him on his positions not his age. This guy lost my respect when he bent over and kissed Bush's ass after Bush slim-ed his wife and family during the SC 2000 primary.What kind of leader is that who wouldn't defend his wife.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 AM on 02/13/2008
- avicenna I'm a Fan of avicenna 23 fans permalink
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I agree entirely, however, the point of dealing with someone of McCain's years has to be acknowledged as well because it has the potential of great damage. Bush is an idiot and a puppet - but it has been shown that those in his advanced years are far more easily manipulated and have trouble negotiating. People will probably vote against him because of his positions, but those who would be more inclined to walk his way need to also be aware of the pragmatics of the situation and if they think that is what the country needs at this time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/13/2008
- DELICIOUS I'm a Fan of DELICIOUS 6 fans permalink

REMEMBER THAT LAST OLD CODGER THAT WAS PRESIDENT...REAGAN. THAT WAS WHEN THE COUNTRY TOOK A BIG STEP DOWN. THE MAN HAD ALZHEIMERS AND WAS NOT COMPETENT TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A FIGURE HEAD WHILE HIS DIPSEY WIFE AND CROOKED CABINET TOOK OVER THE COUNTRY AND STARTED THE WAR ON MIDDLE AND LOW INCOME PEOPLE. HOW NICE IT WAS WHEN HE RETIRED TO HAVE A 7 MILLION DOLLAR REITREMENT HOME TO GO TO THAT WAS DONATED BY HIS FRIENDS WHO WERE ENEMIES OF THE USA. SUPPORT FOR MCCAIN OR ANY REPUKLIMANIAC IS A VOTE FOR CONTINUING THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA FOR MIDDLE AND LOW INCOME PEOPLE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:54 AM on 02/13/2008
- onenation I'm a Fan of onenation 4 fans permalink

"To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude."
So this is a historic "platitude" - - "We hold these truths to be self evident . . ." I think McBush knows the declaration of Hope document.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:30 AM on 02/13/2008

I'm a "hopemonger" because it's all we got.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:59 AM on 02/13/2008
- DHeil I'm a Fan of DHeil 4 fans permalink

McBush. I like it, onenation. I hadn't heard it, but it's catchy. And I bet it will be used ALOT from here on in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:16 AM on 02/13/2008
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I finally figured out what cons/repubs mean when they say "You're full of hate!"

What they mean is that you're being intellectual.

They don't like independent thought.

On another note - I hope Obama is an intellectual fighter.

The attacks from the other (real other side) have not even begun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:03 AM on 02/13/2008
- Uselessboy I'm a Fan of Uselessboy 12 fans permalink

But attacks from Obama's side using the other side's tactics HAVE begun and so far they've made the attackers look like morans.

This guy is not the ususal Democratic bumpkin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:14 AM on 02/13/2008
- anghiari I'm a Fan of anghiari 22 fans permalink

David Wilhelm, former campaign manager for Bill Clinton's 1992 run...has just endorsed Barack Obama in the NYTimes today.
"He said in a conference call today that Mr. Obama was more electable than Senator Hillary Clinton. Mr. Obama"s campaign is evidence of his leadership, he said, calling it "masterful."
"He has out-worked her, out-organized her and out-raised her," Mr. Wilhelm said. "I know organizational excellence when I see it, and the Obama campaign, win or lose, will serve as a model" of execution of strategy, message discipline, application of new technology and small-donor fund raising."
Anybody else notice that Bill Clinton's former best and brightest employees chose to go work for Obama rather than Hillary Clinton. Mr. Wilson shovels you a bush of stuff when right before our eyes Hillary Clinton's campaign strategy blew up in her face after losing her first primary battle in Iowa...and its been downhill since then. Not even California or Nevada could help when her campaign manager has blown through $100 dollars so far...and Hillary had no clue??? Experienced??


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 AM on 02/14/2008
- milo9 I'm a Fan of milo9 11 fans permalink
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Well said Obama!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:31 AM on 02/13/2008
- fearwig I'm a Fan of fearwig 4 fans permalink

McCain's hits were not only too esoteric to get much sway, but really, truly weak, both from substantive and aesthetic standpoints.

He's essentially saying things Hillary came out with while she was still frontrunner (remember when?), and fumbling them: [paraphrased] "I am not an ambitious man!" = "Hint hint, Obama is! Just look at his kindergarten papers!" And it just goes on.

Is this all they've got? I'm not just saying that because I'm stoked for the contest, I'm also confused and underwhelmed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 02/13/2008
- sarge I'm a Fan of sarge 18 fans permalink

Yet McCain offers platitudes himself without specifics. He promises "more wars", yet lays out no plan to achieve that goal. He speaks of being in Iraq for 100- 10,000 years, yet provides no way to pay for it.

Look, nobody wants more wars more than me. Nobody wants us to stay in Iraq forever more than me. But please, if you are just going to give us empty rhetoric without substantive plans to achieve such lofty goals, then we really can't be expected to take you seriously, Senator!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:28 AM on 02/13/2008
- DHeil I'm a Fan of DHeil 4 fans permalink

You want "more wars"? You want to "stay in Iraq forever"? I kept searching for the sarcasm in your remarks. Couldn't find it. Sarge, get a life. Please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:13 AM on 02/13/2008
- sarge I'm a Fan of sarge 18 fans permalink

You may not have found it DHeil, but it's there. If you want to be sure, click on to my profile and read some of my comments...or read this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/31/05415/7502/730/446760

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:27 AM on 02/13/2008

sarge, ever heard of pillage?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 02/13/2008
- sarge I'm a Fan of sarge 18 fans permalink

Yes, but I don't remember that being one of McCain's promises.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:24 AM on 02/13/2008
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