John McCain Goes After Barack Obama

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First Posted: 02-14-08 09:51 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate:

In a debate in 2006 on ethics in the Senate, which Mr. McCain regarded as a signature issue, he dressed down Mr. Obama and accused the freshman senator of disingenuousness. Mr. Obama called Mr. McCain cranky.


In public, that dispute melted away when the two cocked their fists at each other and hugged for a mutually beneficial photo opportunity. Their rapport has not advanced, and the two have a distant relationship.The two men are very different. Mr. McCain, 71, is a veteran of political and military battles. Mr. Obama, 46, is community organizer turned Ivy League graduate. Mr. McCain has told friends and associates that he views Mr. Obama as something of an upstart whose charmed political life delivered him to the same place Mr. McCain's decades of public and military service did.

And, associates said, Mr. McCain had always hoped to take on Mrs. Clinton.

UPDATE II: Politico's Jonathan Martin reports: McCain campaign manager Rick Davis "today sent an unmistakable message to Barack Obama over the Illinois Democrat's effort to stoke the obvious age contrast between himself and the 71-year-old McCain: Bring it on.:

"It's nice of him to constantly point out how nice he thinks of John McCain and his half-century of service to our country," Davis said sardonically. "I don't think he can get that ["half-century" line] out enough."


"I actually think half a century of service to our country is a good thing. If you would like to talk about the day John McCain went into the Naval Academy and pledged his loyalty to our country and everything that's happened since then, let's prosecute that. We love those kinds of discussions."

Davis, speaking at a Washington luncheon with reporters, also extended the criticism leveled by his candidate last night, suggesting that the 46-year-old Obama was offering vague rhetoric to mask liberal views.

"I think it's easy to say, 'let's have hope,'" Davis said. "But hope has to come into some form.

And Obama responded to to McCain, telling a crowd in Wisconsin that the GOP senator had "traded principles for his party's nomination."

Obama argued McCain has acted like President George W. Bush on the economy and on the Iraq war.
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"George Bush may not be on the ballot this fall, but his tax cut and his economic policies are... that is a debate that I'm happy to have, because the American people know that Bush's policies have not worked for ordinary Americans," Obama said.

Obama said he was surprised by McCain's recent criticism of his economic policy - direct criticisms McCain started in the last few days.

"Economics is not his strong suit," Obama said with a smile, "he said 'I don't understand economics very well', and after he said that, it shows."

Obama told the audience that he believes McCain's economic policies would be "more of the same" of Bush tax policies - and argued McCain's position has undergone a transformation since running for president.


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UPDATE: John McCain again attacked Obama on Wednesday.

As he did Tuesday night, McCain focused much of his criticism on Obama, Tuesday's winner on the Democratic side.


"I respect him and the campaign that he has run, but there's going to come a time when we have to get into specifics," McCain told reporters Wednesday on Capitol Hill. "I've not observed every speech he's given, obviously, but they are singularly lacking in specifics."

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In his victory speech after the Potomac primaries, John McCain took several thinly veiled shots at Barack Obama, claiming that offering "only rhetoric" to advance the country "is not the promise of hope. It is a platitute."

Hope, my friends, is a powerful thing. I can attest to that better than many, for I have seen men's hopes tested in hard and cruel ways that few will ever experience. And I stood astonished at the resilience of their hope in the darkest of hours because it did not reside in an exaggerated belief in their individual strength, but in the support of their comrades, and their faith in their country. My hope for our country resides in my faith in the American character, the character which proudly defends the right to think and do for ourselves, but perceives self-interest in accord with a kinship of ideals, which, when called upon, Americans will defend with their very lives.


To encourage a country with only rhetoric rather than sound and proven ideas that trust in the strength and courage of free people is not a promise of hope. It is a platitude.

When I was a young man, I thought glory was the highest ambition, and that all glory was self-glory. My parents tried to teach me otherwise, as did the Naval Academy. But I didn't understand the lesson until later in life, when I confronted challenges I never expected to face.

McCain ended the salvo by ripping off one of Obama's signature lines:

As I have done my entire career, I will make my case to every American who will listen. I will not confine myself to the comfort of speaking only to those who agree with me. I will make my case to all the people. I will listen to those who disagree. I will attempt to persuade them. I will debate. And I will learn from them. But I will fight every moment of every day for what I believe is right for t his country, and I will not yield.


And, my friends, I promise you, I am fired up and ready to go.

Meanwhile, TPM's Greg Sargent highlights Obama's speech tonight drawing increasingly clear contrasts with McCain:

When I am the nominee, I will offer a clear choice. John McCain won't be able to say that I ever supported this war in Iraq, because I opposed it from the beginning. Senator McCain said the other day that we might be mired for a hundred years in Iraq, which is reason enough to not give him four years in the White House.


If we had chosen a different path, the right path, we could have finished the job in Afghanistan, and put more resources into the fight against bin Laden; and instead of spending hundreds of billions of dollars in Baghdad, we could have put that money into our schools and hospitals, our road and bridges - and that's what the American people need us to do right now.

And I admired Senator McCain when he stood up and said that it offended his "conscience" to support the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy in a time of war; that he couldn't support a tax cut where "so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate." But somewhere along the road to the Republican nomination, the Straight Talk Express lost its wheels, because now he's all for them.

Well I'm not. We can't keep spending money that we don't have in a war that we shouldn't have fought. We can't keep mortgaging our children's future on a mountain of debt. We can't keep driving a wider and wider gap between the few who are rich and the rest who struggle to keep pace. It's time to turn the page.

UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate: In a debate in 2006 on ...
UPDATE III:The New York Times discusses the contentious relationship between McCain and Obama that began two years ago during discussions of ethics reform in the U.S. Senate: In a debate in 2006 on ...
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- Sachem515 I'm a Fan of Sachem515 2 fans permalink
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Old or young, left or center right, these distinctions matter less than the open mind that Barack will bring to the White House.

I think it's clear that Barack will surround himself with a more diverse brain trust and will evaluate a broader spectrum of options to each and every problem and issue that confronts us.

Additionally, I expect that he will set an enormous range of initiatives in motion through delegation and motivation of grass roots activists. This is what rebuilding is going to look like.

Ill-tempered Republicans need not apply.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 PM on 02/14/2008

John McCain is a sadistic old geezer who wants to become President at any cost. He could not do it the last time because Bush and Rove smeared him. Now he's back for one more try. This time he is the front runner and he's desperately trying to kiss and make up with the torture crowd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/14/2008
- sjl106 I'm a Fan of sjl106 7 fans permalink

Obam is young punk who hasn't accomplished a thing he represents a consitituency that reflects nothing but a bunch of snot nosed punks who never had consequences for their behavior. Wait and see the obamabites CRY when Hillary wins the NOMINATION.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27009

Obama steals HILLARY's plans because he has none of his own, all talk no walk.

"Obama's (economic) plan. is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen. He basically took Clinton's words and Clinton's policies and called them his own. If I were a professor I'd give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school," said Kevin Hassett, Sen. John McCain's economic advisor and the Director of Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 02/14/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

I couldn't believe his economic plan today, which is Hillary's plan.

I couldn't believe it.

But.....his supporters, all educated as they keep telling us....clearly don't read much.

Well, nothing new about THIS election, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/14/2008

And then we'll watch you cry when McCain unearths decades of Clinton hatred and takes the WH riding a tide of Hillary animosity. Then we can all have a good cry together, how about that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 02/14/2008
- savertime I'm a Fan of savertime 4 fans permalink

For your sake, I hope Hillary wins. The republicans will surely swiftboat the Clintons and you will have Insane McCane for maybe four years, if he can hold on that long. More war, more debt, more insanity.

You don't realize how much people dislike Clintons.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:42 PM on 02/14/2008
- sjl106 I'm a Fan of sjl106 7 fans permalink

YES FLORIDA TO ALLOCATE DELEGATES 105 TO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!! MICHIGAN ALLOCATED 78 TO HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!! HILLARY WINS!!!!!!!!! DNC WILL SEAT THE DELEGATES THEY WILL NOT DISENFRANCHISE 2.35 MILLION VOTERS!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/14/2008

Keep praying with that caps lock button on, it just might happen. Oooh!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/14/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

For all I know the DNC will do that, they don't seem to have a lot of spine. Florida might be a reasonable vote, but the only person on the ticket in Michigan was Clinton. That one needs to be revoted with more than 1 choice. Having an election with 1 candidate is not an election. I doubt if she can win though. She so far has received less votes than Obama, she is looking tired and her campaign is looking increasingly desperate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/14/2008

Sure, as a segue into drawing distinctions between himself and the soon-to-be Republican presidential nominee, Barack Obama has been praise-mocking John McCain for his “half-century” of service to the nation. Now, McCain responded by suggesting an Obama-McCain debate on age, in which he would no doubt accentuate his most recent message: “That young whippersnapper Obama doesn’t know a thing about hope.”

Of course, no one would deny that McCain also knows the importance of hope. Surely, it helped him endure five and a half years of captivity and torture.

Unfortunately, McCain’s greatest hope is not to change America, but to become president – at any cost. The likeable candidate from the 2000 Republican primary is MIA. Or AWOL. Or maybe he’s a POW of the right wing.

Whichever is most accurate, one thing is clear: the old McCain (sorry!), who stood up to his party and its failed leader, is gone. In his place, we have the new McCain, bear-hugging George W. Bush just as he did in that famous photograph. He now supports the irresponsible, unfair tax cuts he previously voted against. He says we could be in Iraq for a hundred years. Worst of all, the former victim of torture has now voted to condone it.

In the end, Barack Obama’s campaign has been an unlikely journey. But so has John McCain’s eight-year campaign: he somehow morphed from the knight in shining armor into the prince of darkness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/14/2008
- sn I'm a Fan of sn permalink

Great comment. The latest evidence of McCain's pandering to the right by compromising his principles is his vote against banning torture--an issue that was so important to him a couple of years back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/14/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

The only real thing I have to offer?

Perspective, I guess.

I'm so, so upset by Obama that I really will switch parties if McCain offers me a glimmer of reaonsable exit.

You truly have driven out this hard-core Democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 02/14/2008
- Jeff1958 I'm a Fan of Jeff1958 45 fans permalink
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If you're a hard-core Democrat, I'm Jane Fonda.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 02/14/2008

Better not to vote at all than to vote for a neo-con. I don't want the blood on my hands.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 02/14/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

So true, he has sold out massively over the last 8 years. Everything from kissing the guy who trashed hid family, to deciding tax cuts skewed to the wealthy are necessary(perhaps his wife showed him her bank account balances) from being against torture as defined in Geneve to letting the president define torture. If Bushie says pulling out your fingernails isn't torture it isn't. The man is a lot more of a flip flopper than Kerry was portrayed to be.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 PM on 02/14/2008

"It's nice of him to constantly point out how nice he thinks of John McCain and his half-century of service to our country," Davis said sardonically. "I don't think he can get that ["half-century" line] out enough.""

You're damn right Obama can't get that line out enough, get used to it buddy - because you'll be hearing it about a million more times from now to November. Tough! Deal with it, McCain is a relic and Obama will remind the American people of that fact..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 02/14/2008

OBAMA-BOUND

A hope dealer in the White House?

Appealing to green youth

And scrambled eggheads who mistake

Amorphous wishes for truth.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/14/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 69 fans permalink
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Back to the writers' workshop, dude.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 PM on 02/14/2008
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Cynics can belittle young hopes
Crankily squawk and cry
and post unhappy messages here
while tomorrow passes them by

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 02/14/2008

"And, associates said, Mr. McCain had always hoped to take on Mrs. Clinton."

Well DOH! She's the only one who won't be able to credibly attack him on his war insanity.

As to the person who commented on Obama's lack of economic knowledge, I'd submit that - while this is undoubtedly true - I don't see the Clintons having learned from their litany of economic mistakes that melted away the benefits of an internet and technology boom. NAFTA was NOT a good thing, neither is the WTO or GAT. Excessive trade imbalances are only good for Wal-Mart, no one else, and a piss-poor currency value might help exporters, but only if we still had any worth a damn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 02/14/2008
- Heidfeld I'm a Fan of Heidfeld 11 fans permalink

Another blind NAFTA rant. Until you learn the truth about NAFTA, then back away from it. NAFTA has nothing to do with the Chinese government holding the value of their currency down. NAFTA has nothing to do with millions of english speaking Indains graduating with computer science degrees every year.

Bill Clinton's budget surplus had us on track to ELIMINATE the NATIONAL DEBT BY 2009. Imagine that! No debt by next year! Even if Sept. 11th threw that off course, we would have a huge annual surplus to help our economy we would be sitting pretty right now.

NAFTA or not, if Bill Clinton's budget was left in place, the US would have few economic problems right now if any.

Yes SHE Can!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/14/2008

Bwahahahaha, typical Clintonianism. NAFTA SCREWED the Blue Collar workers across this nation. Textiles, plastics, AUTO manufacturing, All moved to Mexico, Cent. America, and Canada. Try to find a Ford or GM built in the USA, most come from Canada now. The NAFTA trade bill which has served as the template for all the other free trade bills has destroyed the textile industry in the Carolinas. If you think NAFTA was nothing, you are either clueless or a Repubic.

Clinton screwed more than Monica. He screwed America too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:08 PM on 02/14/2008
- sn I'm a Fan of sn permalink

I agree that the Clinton years were productive and prosperous. However, President Clinton in 1992 was a relative newcomer to national politics and an underdog in the party. Bill and Hillary are not the same people any more. They represent the establishment and therefore have strong ties to special interests and corporates. This will handicap them in implementing effective policies for the well being for regular Americans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/14/2008
- ATLiberal I'm a Fan of ATLiberal 28 fans permalink
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That is the problem with NAFTA. If otheer countries don't play fair, like China, then NAFTA only hurts us. Besides, it's painfully obvious that NAFTA was tailor made for the benefit of the corporations, not the people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 02/14/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

Hillary isn't Bill. We haven't heard much about her economic plans other than that they are like Bill's. Certainly better than McCain's plans of eternal war, more tax cuts to his donors, and Judges like Scalia and Alito. But I think that Obama's plans attract me more. Primarily because Clinton is still saying she thought it was a good idea to go into Iraq. If she cannot explain her vote over having people die any better than she has, she doesn't attract me in the primaries. Bushie still can't find a mistake he made I don't want another president who has the idea that they are perfect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:15 PM on 02/14/2008
- Groobiecat I'm a Fan of Groobiecat 10 fans permalink

"Senator McCain offers to Torture Himself as Proof that He is the Toughest Candidate."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/14/2008

"Mr. McCain has told friends and associates that he views Mr. Obama as something of an upstart whose charmed political life delivered him to the same place Mr. McCain's decades of public and military service did."

What a crock. McCain cynically dumped his then-wife and moved to Arizona because it had an open U.S. House seat AND the heiress to a liquor fortune (a dubiously amassed liquor fortune at that.) Make no mistake, without his marriage to Cindy Hensley, whose father had an exceedingly shady past, John McCain probably is retired in trailer park in Hemet. He cynically appropriated the money and influence he needed to become the figure he is today.

Recommended readings:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2000-02-17/news/haunted-by-spirits/full

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1994-09-08/news/opiate-for-the-mrs/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/14/2008

Jayvee -- your attack on McCain's marriage is the type of personal attack that Obama supposedly disapproves. But I guess it's okay for Obama supporters to play dirty and attack others, while others' criticisms are called racist remarks. You should be ashamed of your hypocrisy. Oh, by the way, wasn't Obama who did cocaine; and was it Obama who enlisted slumloard Rezko's help to buy his mansion?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/14/2008
- savertime I'm a Fan of savertime 4 fans permalink

But it's okay for you to sew out Clinton talking points!! According to Jennifer Flowers, Bill was into drugs and of course, we know how Rove tried to cover up GWB's cocaine use. Are we suppose to believe that McCain did not dabble during his vietnam service not to mention his rebellious period?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:02 PM on 02/14/2008

Nope frechy McStain would have done just fine... his daddy and Grandaddy were Admirals...

Considering that's how he got his "military career" he shouldn't be squawking about charmed lives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 PM on 02/14/2008
- Annette I'm a Fan of Annette 15 fans permalink

I agree, his dumping his first wife because she wasn't rich enough is every bit as moral and upright as Newt dumping his first wife in the recovery room of the hospital post surgery because he didn't think she was pretty enough to be first lady. How did the GOP confuse the Bible thumpers into believing they were the party of values?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:22 PM on 02/14/2008
- MyThought I'm a Fan of MyThought 10 fans permalink

We all know that McCain is a war hero, a POW. I fail to see how that would make him a good president. Many in Congress and Senate were in Viet Nam.

I hate the way McCain is exploiting his POW days for political gain - it's disgusting.

Obama - I'm sick of his condescending ways and obvious phobia about age. He is only 14 years younger than Hillary, for example. That is not a generation. A generation is 20 years or more.

Words, pretty and inspiring - are just that - words. I remember a line from a Beegees song - "it's only words and words are all I have to steal your heart away".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 02/14/2008

Match Game: 1)Clinton 2)McCain 3)Obama
A. Platitude spouting sophist dreamer with a PHD (Pileit High & Deep) in coolness.
B. Manipulative schemer, caters to special interests, tired looking, floundering, cash-drained campaign
C. Out of touch, hotheaded, comeback kid ready to start WWIII
Bonus: Which is the lesser of three evils???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/14/2008
- caywen I'm a Fan of caywen 7 fans permalink

I disagree with both points.

I think McCain's war hero status is perfectly fair game for him. It alone does not qualify him for POTUS, but it is an asset. That asset is his to exploit because he earned it and it's his. I don't support him as POTUS because he's on the wrong side of the issues.

Obama doesn't have a phobia about age. His relative youth is his asset, and it's his to exploit. And if he were really as condescending as you say, I doubt he'd have the success he has right now. I'd love it if he were also a war hero, and I'd hope he'd use that to his advantage as McCain does.

In other words, the war hero and age things are fair game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/14/2008
- Querent I'm a Fan of Querent 69 fans permalink
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A war hero is someone who triumphs on the field of battle. McCain never even walked on the field of battle, as far as I know. He got shot down over enemy territory, and captured. His resistance of the offer to free him while continuing to hold his comrades was heroic. So why not call him a "prisoner hero"? What was McCain's rank, anyway? Major? Colonel? Something like that. He was a flier, not a general. Seems to me his military expertise comes mainly from the Senate, where his behavior was not conspicuously heroic either, consisting mostly of rubberstamping everything Bush wanted.


Everything except torture, on which he has now sold out for the votes of the 300 remaining NeoCons, who probably will not vote for him anyway.


I'd like to hear more about the demise of McCain's first marriage and his divorce. Repigs just can't seem to treat their wives decently, somehow. Probably comes from their personality disorders.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 02/14/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/14/2008
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 247 fans permalink
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caywen. How is dropping bombs on Vietnam from 10000 feet up considered an asset? Running a swift boat into the jungles of Vietnam, now that might be an asset because you would be down and dirty and in the midst of the mud and violence of war but flying a jet and slaughtering thousands from on high without having to see the results of your carnage; I don't get it. How does that qualify you for anything?

That's about the same as winning a high score in Grand Theft Auto or Mortal Combat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 PM on 02/14/2008
- Gary47 I'm a Fan of Gary47 15 fans permalink

Who says we know he was war hero? Who said he was in a prison camp? Where's the proof? And how much torture did he really receive - and in what form? Was it water boarding? Which according to him, is not torture. After all, McCain doesn't want torture banned (according you his recent vote) - so I guess that means he really wasn't tortured. And what information did he give up to get better treatment? And why would any of his story make him a hero. He didn't do anything - he just got mistreated in a prison camp (supposedly). There's absolutely nothing heroic about that. Someone should really investigate these questions during the campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/14/2008
- BNL I'm a Fan of BNL permalink

It's increasingly clear that economics isn't Obama's strong point either, since he's in Wisconsin using Hillary's economic plans and calling them his own. Once he gets out of his preacher box, he can't think for himself. Hope and change is nice, too bad he doesn't have a real plan of his own.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 PM on 02/14/2008
- BikerJim I'm a Fan of BikerJim 3 fans permalink

His economic plan is far better than Hilary's as is his stimulus plan. He has a much better wholeistic approach to the economy, than Hillary does. I have sutdied both and found her's to be short sighted and narrow in scope. His creates more jobs and has longer lasting effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/14/2008

Obama doesn't have an economic plan, he stole Hillary's, Bikerjim.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 02/14/2008

Biker Jim: on what basis are you certain that Obama's plan creates more jobs? What do you mean Hillary's plan is short-sighted? Give some specifics rather than generalities that Obama has been using. You can have all the changes you want...but you could change for the worse. And just to give you a real life problem for you to ponder: Nokia decided to move a cellphone factory from Germany to Romania, and Germans are crying foul. Germany has one of the best welfare states for workers. German workers at Nokia is paid 27 Euro an hour, vs. 7 Euro in Romania. If you were a manager in Nokia, wouldn't you move? We also face the same situation here...how do you force manufacturers to stay domestic when cost differential is so huge. You can keep them here, but then American firms will lose competitiveness to foreign firms like Nokia who are more nimble. This is a global situation and not something politicians can easily solve by just taxing the rich or legislating against job relocations. Maybe socialism is what you want since Obama is the most liberal senator in Washington today. That may not be a bad thing, but it deserves more discussion and analysis than mere slogans like "Yes We Can." Yes we can screw things up!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:17 PM on 02/14/2008
- SUNRAI I'm a Fan of SUNRAI 2 fans permalink
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Do they email those talking points out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 02/14/2008

How in the world can a president "freeze foreclosures" and "interest rates?" No one points out that a rate freeze would've left rates 1.25% higher than they are now when she first made that unenforceable pander. And soon rates will go lower. And now she wants a "time-out" from trade? What is she a kindergarten teacher?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/14/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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Could there be anything more depressing than a McCain/Hillary race? A contest on who could change positions faster than the other to pander to the few people not too nauseous to follow the race?

The record turnouts of the primaries would do a 180. I mean, would you rather eat a grizzled piece of leather or a rotten egg?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/14/2008

Misleading headline. I thought it was the top two characteristics assigned to HuffPo posters. My mistake. Carry on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 PM on 02/14/2008
- moda31 I'm a Fan of moda31 10 fans permalink

cranky is definitely right. there's no denying that he's ancient, i don't think there's a need to be overly sensitive about it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 02/14/2008
- Bobby I'm a Fan of Bobby 15 fans permalink

The "Nutjob Express" speaks. Your sell out against torture was cowardly. Your lies about Iraq and the surge are fear mongering. Your hug with Dumbya Bu$h in 2004 was both comical and sad. You are simply an old, delusional piece of shit that would do or say ANYTHING to be President. No wonder you hang with Joe LIEberman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y395Tftgz0E

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/14/2008
- Ohg I'm a Fan of Ohg 5 fans permalink

Barack Obama was not born with a silver missile in his mouth. Obama better represents the true American - someone who has faced the daily struggles of life and has come out on top....
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/02/11/barack-obama-the-color-of-water/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/14/2008

Ohg: you mean true Americans take cocaine under pressure? You mean true American can find rich and powerful friends like Rezko the slumlord to help him buy a mansion for $1.6 mil, and then sell him a stip of land to expand his estate? Obama is cerntainly a smart guy, but let's not try to make him a saint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 02/14/2008
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