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First Posted: 02-14-08 03:46 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Even as Sen. Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign was blasting Sen. Barack Obama for his ties to the Exelon Corporation, the firm of Mark Penn, Clinton's chief strategist, was earning hundreds of thousands of dollars from the very same nuclear energy giant.

This past week, Burson Marsteller, Penn's powerhouse consulting agency, was paid more than $230,000 by Exelon to help renew a nuclear energy license in New Jersey, the Huffington Post has learned. The payment was for work that took place over several months, and Burson is still employed by the company.

"They did some work for us in New Jersey between June and November," said Craig Nesbit, vice president of communications for Exelon Generation, a subsidiary. "That bill was invoiced on December 12 and it just took that long to pay these things... We still are paying them a little bit but it is ramping down."

It has been public knowledge that Exelon is a client of Burson. But news of the recent payment comes less than two weeks after the Clinton campaign, and Penn himself, took Obama to task for what they implied was preferential treatment for the company.

On February 3, 2008, the New York Times reported that Obama had backed away from criticism of Exelon following revelation that the company had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants. The Illinois Senator, the paper noted, chose to push legislation that offered guidance, rather than mandates, for prompt reporting of leaks. Moreover, the Times added, Obama's senior adviser David Axelrod worked as a consultant to Exelon, and "since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama's campaigns for the United States Senate and for president."

Following the article's publication, the Clinton campaign pressed the notion that Obama had succumbed to pressure from his donors, even though Clinton had supported the bill. In a radio ad before the Nevada primary, the campaign used Obama's Exelon ties to cast doubt about his opposition to Yucca Mountain, a proposed nuclear waste depository. And in a memo to "interested parties," Penn himself highlighted the Times story, arguing that what Obama says is often contradicted by what journalists find "when they dig into the facts."

Nine days later, Penn's firm, Burson Marsteller, received $230,627.05 from Exelon -- roughly $3,000 more than the sum of Obama's campaign donations from Exelon employees -- for work deemed "Public Affairs."

Representatives from Burson confirmed the payment. While Howard Wolfson, a spokesperson for the Clinton campaign, said there were no political ties between Sen. Clinton and the company: "I dont recall Exelon sitting in Senator Clinton's office watering down legislation designed to protect people from nuclear leaks," he said.

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The information about Penn's financial links to Exelon was not provided by any political campaign.

Burson, it should be noted, is not technically working for the Clinton campaign. But a subsidiary Penn, Schoen & Berland Associates is, having been paid more than $4.3 million so far. Moreover, Penn is Clinton's highest-ranking adviser and continues to hold the title of "worldwide CEO of Burson-Marsteller."

That he would have financial ties to Exelon, watchdog groups say, is of political significance.

"I think it is not that unusual to see advisers to all of the candidates also advising various interests and it is undoubtedly a tough thing for the candidates to be able to filter whether or not the advice they get from people who also lobby is going to be truly impartial advise," said Josh Israel, a senior researcher for the Center for Public Integrity's "Buying of the President 2008."

"Hopefully, the candidates will take it with a grain."

According to Nesbit, the work Burson undertook on Exelon's behalf was primarily to generate local political support for nuclear energy. In August 2007, the New Jersey Affordable, Clean, Reliable Energy Coalition (NJ ACRE) was created to help secure the renewal of the Oyster Creek nuclear power plant's operating license. Around that time, Burson set up speaking engagements and events for Patrick Moore, a Green Peace founder who now supports nuclear energy, to advocate on the plant's behalf. They also conducted at least one poll on the subject.

Criticism of renewing the Oyster Creek license has not been absent. Local officials and residents have worried that the nuclear station did not have a clear evacuation route in case of an accident, and was hazardous for local water life.

During the presidential campaign, Obama has said the he would like to explore nuclear power as an energy option while Clinton says she's "agnostic" on the issue.

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Forget about Mark Penn. We have fully paid so-called strategists on Billary's payroll promoting their SERVICES right here: "Political operative in NC, NY, CA, and a little in SC. Local, State, and National Elections. LGBT strategist, labor strategist, minority strategist." At least, Obama does not need to pay us (his supporters) to speak our minds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:49 PM on 02/16/2008

Mark Penn, despite his ties to Blackwater and is unprincipled use of sexism/racism in this campaign, is still the most moral person in the Clinton machine.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 PM on 02/15/2008

Sam you forgot to mention Axelrod.
You forgot to mention the 214 donors from Exelon chose to contribute to Obama. You forgot to mention that John Rowe is the Chairman of the Nuclear Industry Lobby, and that he is a contributor and fund-raiser for Obama.
You fogot to mention that no one from Exelon has contributed to Hillary's campaign.

www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 PM on 02/15/2008

$230,000 isn't peanuts, but what about the $10-million Obama's guy David Axelrod received from Exelon in 2006 to create shock ads to scare Illinois consumers into accepting a huge electricity rate increase?

Why is the media letting Axelrod off the hook for this? Is it becuase he used to be one of them, and he sucks up to them now as a source?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/16/2008

Sam- you forgot to mention axelrod and the donation problem...now come on.

Obama has received 214 donations from Exelon
Hillary has received 0 donations from Exelon.... but why worry about the DETAILS....

www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 02/15/2008


Why would anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes on this site expect a HuffPo writer to construct an argument using facts? Particularly if they are unfavorable to Obama?

It is clear--The HuffPo will not be outdone by the (established) fourth estate's race to the bottom. The obvious bias towards Obama notwithstanding, this site has become a cesspool of and magnet for hyper-propaganda, rant, and uncivilized personal attacks. As Erica Jong so eloquently noted, the Hillary-hating Obamarama machine "can't spell". Well, of course it can't spell--it doesn't READ! The two are related, you know...

One day, we may very well look up to find that The HuffPo is the subject of a HBR case study.

Possible titles:

"How to Leverage Your Online Community to Promote the Politics of Personal Destruction."

or

"Maximizing Advertising ROI by leveraging the Obamarama Hate Machine"

In the meantime, for the handful of us here who do read and are interested to know who Obama is tied to, please see:

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

http://zmagsite.zmag.org/Feb2007/street0207.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:31 PM on 02/15/2008

Fact-
John Rowe is the Chairman of the Nuclear Industry's Lobby.
Fact-
John Rowe is a contributor (maxed out) to Barack Obama
Fact-
over 200 Exelon executives and middle management employees have contributed to Barack Obama's campaign
Fact-
Hillary Clinton has received 0.00 from Exelon

www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 PM on 02/15/2008

More Reasons Not To Vote for Hillary:
1. NAFTA (Bill was all over it, she can't possibly want to talk about it)-NAFTA completely screwed the unions and most hourly workers.
2. Universal Health Care (We might have had half a chance of having this, IF she would have kept her nose out of this when William was president)- you see, universal healthcare would be something for the PRESIDENT to tackle, not the first lady, not an unelected, unofficial person- even one as power nuts and pushy as this one.
3. Whitewater -if you think the Repugnicans won't roll out the "witnesses", the allegations, the trials and tribulations of Whitewater again- whether anything happened or not, guess again. It'll make Swift Boat look like a freakin float trip.
4. Vince Foster- found dead of apparent suicide in a national park. The self abusers and nut jobs swear that Bill and Hill had him murdered. You'll bring these crazies out in force--again.
5. "Stand by your man"- little Ms. Big Mouth, never missing an opportunity to slam a faction she dislikes (I suppose in this case it would be all women who chose not to work, and remain at home) "I guess I could have just stayed home and made cookies"- yeah, Big Mouth, that was well-thought out. You betcha. You go on 60 minutes to try and salvage the poliitical career of Mr. Can't Keep It In His Pants and make matters much worse by insulting millions of stay at home moms.
6, 7, 8. Monica, Gennifer, Paula-- Back then, the campaign actually called them "Bimbo Eruptions"- they kept popping up, another woman claiming to have done the nasty with Bill. And, of course, back then, Bill could reasonably deny it. I mean come on. Bill cut a wide swath in this category. He completely blew any chance Al Gore had by not keeping his johnson in his pants. Had we known what a real shit bird Bill was back then, well, we wouldnt be in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/15/2008

Wow!
This is (Lady) Macbeth: The Sequel!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:04 PM on 02/15/2008

Obama, superdelegates John Rowe, Exelon

Follow the money

www.politicalamnesia.blogspot.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 02/15/2008
- Kally I'm a Fan of Kally 10 fans permalink

Hey cod piecers how about posting about obama and the British Iraqi crook AUCHI who obama supported and wanted to get the US to give him a visa. When it was found out about the meeting rezko arranged with Auchi and couple of other Iraqi crooks with obama, the request was dropped. And all efforts to check out the other Arabian guy el-mendoz -something or other --- didn't pan out because the intenet cables were cut.

I have not heard one word in the MSM about all this and it has been verified and the pictures were posted and veiwable. But the Arab guy's website disappeared.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:37 PM on 02/15/2008

Ok, I look at it this way. You want strong leadership? Hillary couln't keep her campayne people----let alone an administration together. They wasted 140 million, an beged for money--while bill called that a meger amount to waste. She now says Ohio is not a fire wall state, only Texas. So it's ok if she loses Ohio. Do you want her to dismiss your state in that fasion--just to make a lose of your state softer, as they were expecting to lose now? I'm not a clinton hater,folks. ut I've had enough of people saying our votes dokn't count to suit thier needs. Why the record Demacrate turn out if votes donk't count? Hillary dismissed this fact, and don't want to face facts that's it's Obama word of HOPE FOR ALL OF AMERICAN PEOPLE. Not just the statess that She wants to count, will win this Election and the white house for the people. Not just Demacrates, but the people-----got that? Not just for the Demacrates, but for the people! Not just for blacks, but for whites. United we Stand-----­---Divided we fall.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 02/15/2008
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Strong leadership...the leader of the pack obama the one who lets his wife and oprah lead him around by the nose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/15/2008

Hillary, stop already with your sexist/racist run.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 02/15/2008

Sam, you forgot to mention SOOOO much.

But- for those interested here is a counter to your post.

http://politicalamnesia.blogspot.com/2008/02/obama-and-exelon.html#links

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:19 PM on 02/15/2008

OK, let's get a few things out there. First, what galvanized the GOP to take the presidency, and the congress in the first place. How about a scandal filled whitehouse and a little blue dress. No matter if you think it was a big deal or not, it galvanized support for the republicans. And what do we have now? Illegal war, Illegal torture, Illegal wiretapping (thanks for the vote, Hill!), Illegal renditions, recession and binLaden thumbing his nose at us. Way to go Clintons! Nice work indeed!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/15/2008
- Teddy12 I'm a Fan of Teddy12 3 fans permalink

Sam Stein, "I Report Only the News I Want You to Know" strikes again. Obama's chief strategist Axelrod worked for Exelon and the chairman of the company is Obama's largest fundraiser. It's not just pennies from the employees he's routing to Obama. The bill Obama presented in the Senate he later watered down to suit Exelon. That is a fact, read it. But of course Stein doesn't present the facts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/15/2008
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With Obamarama, spin trumps Fact from day one....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/15/2008

I'm just one of those ignorant African-Americans that Hillary has decided no loner matter in the Democratic primaries so perhaps I have this wrong... but ... is this the same "watered down" bill that Sen. Clinton co-sponsored? If so, why is it a bad thing now but wasn't when she signed on to it? I would understand if the so-called "watering down" occurred before she co-sponsored but (unless she and Bill can bully the DNC into totally suspending the laws of time and space along with jettisoning simple democratic fairness) that wasn't the case. Speaking of hope and standing up for traditional American values while presenting detailed plans for your presidency...I know it's not what we've come to expect over the last 8 years but why not give it a spin...it sure beats 8 more years of the Bush/Clint­on/Bush/Cl­inton...ca­n anyone say "assisted nepotism"? I knew that you could...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:16 PM on 02/15/2008
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westseattle...
That's amazing... The Clinton's appointed G W Bush as Supreme Dictator and forced him into War! Wowsers! If they're so powerful, how come Obamarama is challenging them???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 02/15/2008

I didn't say annointed anywhere in my post, so don't put words in my mouth. If you don't think the Clinton scandals had anything to do with how close the election was for Bush vs Gore, then you are naive. Again, I didn't say they forced him into war, but she did vote to allow this nonsense to start. And finally, I didn't say they're powerful, I said the effect of their mistakes were powerful. Learn to read.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/15/2008

Burning up money in Hillary's senatorial campaign was more important than helping Gore win the Whitehouse. This long-term goal of putting Hill in the house has cost us 8 years of Bush/Cheney and was in vain. All in vain. If any democrat not named Clinton ever gets the Whitehouse back...who­oooosh...t­hey will exorciate the Clintons for their betrayal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 PM on 02/15/2008

This is why Hillary won't win. It's her supporters who have nothing objective to say. Point in case: Seezrif claiming: "he has 6 step brothers who are muslim extremists as well as a first cousin who is Odinga the leader of the opposition party in Kenya who is nor only tied to the very enemy we are fighting but who has his followers killing innocent men, women, and children in their homes and villages....get real...who is the dangerous one?"
Haven't we had enough of the lies the last 7 years?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/15/2008

my republican rush and bill o loving uncle (who drives me crazy!) truly believes that Obama was kidnapped/taken as a youth, and trained and is a manchurian candidate. he also hates the clintons. i don't think he is getting this from her camp.

i don't know about what seezrig is saying, but I have seen this: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/01/31/obamas-african-hubris-2/

I have no idea what they do, or where they are, but Obama does have 7 siblings, which I did not know, until now.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/familytree/545462,BSX-News-wotrees09.stng

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/15/2008

Can't be objective, huh? That desperation is telling.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:34 PM on 02/15/2008
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I often think that Bush is a Manchurian Candidate.
He's done a great job fouling up this country,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/20/2008
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Clinton say Obama is all rheteroic so check out the below sites:
Excerpt from:
Judge Him by His Laws

By Charles Peters
Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21
(Washingto­nPost.Com)

People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.
Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)
**********­**********­**********­*********

(Excerpts from Blog: Obsidian Wings, Hilzoy)

Barack Obama kept popping up, doing really good substantive things. There he was, working for nuclear non-proliferation and securing loose stockpiles of conventional weapons, like shoulder-fired missiles. There he was again, passing what the Washington Post called "the strongest ethics legislation to emerge from Congress yet" -- though not as strong as Obama would have liked. Look -- he's over there, passing a bill that created a searchable database of recipients of federal contracts and grants, proposing legislation on avian flu back when most people hadn't even heard of it, working to make sure that soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan were screened for traumatic brain injury and to prevent homelessness among veterans, successfully fighting a proposal by the VA to reexamine all PTSD cases in which full benefits had been awarded, working to ban no-bid contracts in Katrina reconstruction, and introducing legislation to criminalize deceptive political tactics and voter intimidation. And there he was again, introducing a tech plan of which Lawrence Lessig wrote:

"Obama has committed himself to a technology policy for government that could radically change how government works.
(read full report at above blog.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/15/2008
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

Westseattle - Wow - I am a huge Obama supporter and I have come to suspect that you are not! Really this kind of post smacks of Republican instigating. While I believe the Clintons are capable of some serious political wrangling I do not for a second believe they would sink this low. By bringing this up you show yourself - no half way informed decent person would believe this garbage - never mind a democratic member on the huffington post (Clinton supporter or not) and by responding to it you only further the myth, in other words by not ignoring it you are taking the bait this makes you either incredibly stupid or a republican instigator. Seriously stop already- we’re onto you – and if I’m wrong and you are actually an Obama supporter – Shut up you do us all a disservice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 02/15/2008
- mcfried I'm a Fan of mcfried 15 fans permalink

Westseattle - Wow - I am a huge Obama supporter and I have come to suspect that you are not! Really this kind of post smacks of Republican instigating. While I believe the Clintons are capable of some serious political wrangling I do not for a second believe they would sink this low. By bringing this up you show yourself - no half way informed decent person would believe this garbage - never mind a democratic member on the huffington post (Clinton supporter or not) and by responding to it you only further the myth, in other words by not ignoring it you are taking the bait this makes you either incredibly stupid or a republican instigator. Seriously stop already- we"re onto you " and if I"m wrong and you are actually an Obama supporter " Shut up you do us all a disservice

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 02/15/2008

So Clintonesque to attack someone for doing the same thing you're doing. This is exactly why it is time to move on. Nice work Mark and Hillary for exposing yourselves to be who you really are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 02/15/2008

Mr. Penn’s memo also left out another inconvenient fact: Hillary Clinton was a co-sponsor of Obama’s radioactive-leaks bill. Check out the story on buzzflash.com (NOT a Republican right wing web site.)

Mark Penn is being paid millions to assist Hillary's campaign. Burson-Marsteller & Mark Penn are well known as corporate Republicans best friends but no one seems to find it odd that a Democrat has hired Penn?

Penn's firm has represented everyone from the Argentine military junta to Union Carbide after the 1984 Bhopal disaster in India, in which thousands were killed when toxic fumes were released by one of its plants, to Royal Dutch Shell, which has been accused of massive human rights violations in Nigeria. It set up the National Smokers Alliance on behalf of Philip Morris to fight tobacco regulation in the early 1990s.

Its current clients include major players in the finance, pharmaceutical and energy industries (ALL big contributors to Hillary's campaign).

The company's Washington lobbying arm, BKSH & Associates, is run by Charlie Black, who has close ties to the Karl Rove, and was former partners with Lee Atwater, the political consultant who crafted the Willie Horton smear campaign used by George H.W. Bush against Michael Dukakis in 1988.

Black's clients have included Iraq's Ahmad Chalabi, Lockheed Martin and Occidental Petroleum.

Mark Penn's firm also has a highly confrontational relationship with organized labor and it lends help to some of the most controversial union-busting efforts in America.

Yesterday I read that Hillary Clinton was one of the top 10 senators last year for acquiring earmarks for her district. Millions and millions of dollars in pork projects for her district while she is on the campaign trail giving pretty speeches about how she will be fiscally responsible.

We don't need another 4 years of lies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/15/2008
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Ohhh, earmarks, suddenly a bad word. Earmarks Hillary has worked for include expanding health care for National Guard members, bringing high-speed telecommunications to struggling parts of rural upstate New York, building up the VA hospital system, and funding pre-school education programs and day care for poor families.

So evil, so wrong.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:51 PM on 02/15/2008

If Hillary Rodham Clinton can't manage her own campaign's finances without taking a bailout from her husband's funny money, I sure don't want her managing the country's finances...Who's gonna bail us out then? No wonder she's so eager to garnish our wages....Also, with the Clintons now hosting daily fundraisers fir the next 3 weeks, I wonder if any of their donors will feel a bit put off that Billary have $50 million but aren't willing to spedn their own cash beyond the $5 million, while asking donors to pour money into a rapidly sinking campaign with a candidate Americans have made it clear they will never put back in the White House?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/15/2008
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The president doesn't manage the country's finances, that's the role of the Congress. It's a little thing called the power of the purse, written in an apparently forgotten document titled "The Constitution of the United States of America".

Article 1, Section 8:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

It goes on like this for a while, but I wouldn't want to bore you with the details.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 02/15/2008

The point remains, crazy. I suppose Bush didn't have any influence on the budget either, right?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/15/2008
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Hillery made a campaign stop in Tucson, Arizona a few months back. Her private plane taxied into a back side hanger and was parked out of sight, she was escorted across town in an unmarked SUV. Had no advanced notice to the news media, nor to any Democratic party official ( I'm one). Refused to divulge the attendees at her " house party" held in the multi million dollar neighborhood nor the topics discussed. Seems to sound a lot like Cheney, yes?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 PM on 02/15/2008
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No, it sounds like a private meeting and/or fundraiser. It would only sound like Cheney if she also shot someone in the face.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/15/2008

Someone who is not an Obama supporter, please tell me why you don't like Obama. I have heard he is all hot air, yet on his site www.barackobama.com he lays out his positions, and the methods to reach them. So please someone tell me one thing that they don't like about Obama. I can give you a handful about Clinton.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/15/2008
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No universal health care plan, for nuclear power proliferation. preemptive military strikes in Pakistan which will cause another war, no record to back up his claims that he can deliver change, stopping the import of Chinese products which will cause a trade war instead of working with the Chinese government to strengthen their quality control or having the importing company insure the safety of their products. These are just a few. I will support him in the fall if he wins the nomination, but he needs to change these policies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 02/15/2008

No see you got things all wrong. Hillary is the one who voted for the war. Hillary is the one that will charge everyone for health care, regardless if they can pay for it or not. The rest of the crap I have no idea where you got it from. I would love more then just your word on this. So please provide a link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:41 AM on 02/15/2008

It's not universal because he doesn't force it down your throat. Nuclear power proliferation? Proliferation refers to weapons, not energy. Preemptive strike in Pakistan? Nice try to tie him to Bush, but it was Hillary who voted for a preemptive war. Stopping imports from China? How many millions have Clinton's got from China? Please, get a grasp of the issues before you make false claims.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:26 AM on 02/15/2008
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NoRepresentation:

There are too many reasons I don't like Obama to list here. But I do invite you to look at the barrel full of reasons I've listed on the Huff site. If you need more please ask.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/15/2008

Really? Let me invite you to look at voting results and see who is losing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 02/15/2008

Most people that I read, do not dislike Obama, per say, but prefer Hillary. I was hoping very much for a Clinton/Obama ticket.

Now, I am not sure how I feel. I am so turned off by his supporters, his wife, his race card memo, the media and his hypocrisy. I started out leery because of his lack of experience, but have become more and more turned off.

Most of my time I spend trying to support Hillary, or defend her from all the bullcrap attacks, and end up slamming Obama in the process. I find the Obama supporters live by a double standard, as does Obama. He claims one things, but does another, and gets away with it. I am not here to play, "well she does it too!" But to point out where he is a hypocrite. I believe no politician reaches their level without some politicking. But Obama supporters act as if he is squeaky clean, and pure as snow, and the new savior.

My problem with his lofty speeches, and star studded rallies is that people are flocking to him because of the hype, not because of substance. I worry that in November, when the stars have gone home, the fun rock star type rallies are over, the voters will not turn out. I worry about what is coming from the right to attack Obama. I am sick of the attacks on women, by the media, and for supporting her. I am sick of the misogyny, the comments even made by Michelle. I am worried about the messiah type cult following that is coming out of his base. I am concerned about his choice of churches, in all of America, why he chose that one. I am concerned about his level of Christian faith, and how that will affect him in the WH. I do not like his Pastor. I am interested in where he stands on reparations, and not sure if I agree with giving licenses to illegals. I do not like his healthcare plan, I do not like nuclear power as an option.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 02/15/2008

I worry about what will happen if Obama is President, and someone tried to challenge him on an issue and they are callled racist, or they are afraid to confront him on issues because they will be called racist. It has happened over and over again in the race, and that bothers me. Everything Clinton does is called racist or that she is a bitch, or Billary or neo-con, or whatever. But Obama or his wife are strategic, smart, outspoken....the double standard hypocrisy. It is infuriating.

I do not like that he says her voters will vote for him, but he is not sure about his voters. He and Michelle say they are not sure if they would support her, they would have to think long and hard about it. To me, that is all about ego, not restoring the democrats into the WH - which I feel is most important.

He has said that if he does not win, he is quitting politics, and going to teach and private practice. That makes me question his dedication to serve his country. Again, it seems all about ego to me. After two years in the senate, he decides he is the best person in American to be President.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 AM on 02/15/2008

Do you reply to yourself over and over because you can't make a point? Or do you just like hearing yourself spew half-truths and faulty reasoning?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 02/15/2008

oops "per se" (brain fart)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/15/2008
- Roshi98 I'm a Fan of Roshi98 10 fans permalink
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Sure, he's got his little blueprint posted on his website, but he never actually TALKS about the details.

I've listened to two 60-minute interviews he's held with editorial boards in Nevada and San Francisco and he NEVER spoke precisely about how his health care plan, economic stimulus package, foreign policy, etc. would work. He spoke in generalities about his good intentions, threw out some unverifiable numbers, and seemed generally very uncomfortable about going into the meat of his platform.

I say unverifiable numbers because we neither know what the state of the economy in 2009 will be, nor how the debt situation of our government will alter the numbers. Hillary does this too, and it drives me crazy, but voters tend to fall for it every time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 AM on 02/15/2008

Yeah, we should all listen to what you say. You are the expert! Is that what you want to hear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- indie17 I'm a Fan of indie17 9 fans permalink

First, as a consultant to executives, I know that executives hire the 'detail' folks, like me, to do that work. There is certainly enough of the framework of Obama's policies laid out in his interviews combined with his web site.

We need a leader who will lay out the vision of what we can be and let the 'detail folks' work out the minutia. A leader has to move people, inspire people.

Hillary is a good 'detail person', and a good legislator. That doesn't necessarily translate into a good executive. This is why she does not have the momentum, and people are not as thrilled with her message or vision. She does have the ability to move and inspire the way that Obama does.

Second, the arguments about Obama's economic advisers fall flat -- it would be wise to read more about these guys. Here's a different opinion: Obama has surrounded himself with centrist economic advisers, like the frustratingly reasonable Austan Goolsbee of the University of Chicago. Former Fed chief Paul Volcker is also a supporter.

There is a lot to be said for moderate economic policy, especially with the mess that W has left for us. Many of us voters are 'liberal' on some issues, and 'moderate' to 'conservative' on others. If there's any issue that needs moderation, it's dealing with the economy. The economy is so complex that most folks really don't understand it, and any President needs expert advisers to take it on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 02/15/2008
- aznurse I'm a Fan of aznurse 49 fans permalink

Isn't Mark Penn also the guy who represents Blackwater??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/15/2008
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