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Bob Kerrey: Florida, Michigan Delegates Shouldn't Be Seated

Politico   |  Ben Smith   |   February 15, 2008 01:09 PM


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Bob Kerrey, never one to change his views or start talking about "automatic delegates" just because somebody told him to on a conference call, isn't buying a key aspect of the spin from his endorsed candidate, Hillary Clinton, on the nomination process....

..."You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. Period," said former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey, The New School's president, when asked if the delegates from the Florida and Michigan primaries should be represented at the Democratic National Convention in August. Scoopy ran into Kerrey on Sunday at Chelsea Piers, where Kerrey had taken his young son and a friend bowling.

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- Lalo I'm a Fan of Lalo permalink

From MyDD:

Here's the state of the race that includes all 50 states (in other words, with Florida and Michigan counting):

Clinton leads Obama, 1127 to 1119, in pledged delegates.

Clinton leads Obama, 240 to 140, in super-delegates.

There are 393 remaining super-delegates.

There are 1301 remaining pledged delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 02/15/2008
- mrJJ I'm a Fan of mrJJ permalink

30 days to Change their minds..... No TV coverage; no Radio coverage & no newspaper coverage... ya got to be kidding... My state wanted to go early.. sanctions werent worth it.. Good Thing We Played By The Rules... Eyes on Texas!!!! BTW Billary is toast here... yall just keep reading them polls hehehe

DNC Strips Florida Of 2008 Delegates
No Convention Slots Unless Later Primary Is Set

Sunday, August 26, 2007; Page A01

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/25/AR2007082500275.html?hpid=topnews


Judge OKs DNC sanctions over Fla. primary

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-12-05-florida-primary_N.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:42 PM on 02/15/2008

And meanwhile in Florida, the Democratic leaders are forwarning that this may so upset the electorate that Florida will swing to Republican......again.

Smart move, Obama?

I think not.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:10 PM on 02/15/2008

See the article on what's going on in Florida. Getting down and dirty now!

Florida is claiming that this denial of their delegates will likely swing the state to the GOP.

No kidding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/15/2008
- mrJJ I'm a Fan of mrJJ permalink

Thats their right... In November they can throw our their Party Boss who knowingly went with the decision to not have any delegates seated in the primary for his state... Or of course they can also Vote Republican.. Thats their right and thier choice... in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/15/2008

Gosh... I would hate to lose such a reliable Blue state to the Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/16/2008


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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 02/15/2008

The only reason the Obama camp and all his supporters are fighting not to seat the deligates from Florida and Nichigan is because it doesn't benefit them. If the table were turned and the shoe were on the other foot, they will be screaming bloody murder about disenfranching the voters -- including minorities; the same way they are claiming will happen with superdeligates if they support Hillary. They are always looking to change the rules only when it benefit them!

Looks like they want to have their cake and eat it too!.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/15/2008

Bullshit from both of you. Your candidate is not doing well, now she wants to change the rules to benefit her. I'm pissed off that she wants to and I'd be pissed off if Obama did too.
If Obama receives the majority of the popular vote and the superdelegates vote for Hillary they WILL be disenfranchising the voters. Neither of you have a leg to stand on. getting nervous?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 02/15/2008

BO doesn't want people's votes to count. These are important States that will be lost if their votes are not counted.

BO is going after the supers. In the NYT today they mentioned that BO has given (over the past two years) $650,000 to 81 elected officials who are supers. Guess what 34 of them have said they are voting for BO.

In contrast HRC donated only $195,000 to 109 but only 13 of them promised her their votes. Looks like BO is better at buying super delegate votes. He paid $28,000 per super delegate. HRC paid only $15,000.
She is a better deal maker I guess. Watches her budget carefully. Looks like BO is just spreading the money around. And he and his supporters are so indignant at the idea of super delegates. Yet he goes after them with a big check book. Can someone say "hypocrite" (but with a hopeful tone to it)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 PM on 02/15/2008
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FACT: To refuse to allow those Delegates who were chosen by Michigan voters in the Democratic Primary on January 15... to refuse those Delegates from participating in the nomination process at the Convention, is to DISENFRANCHISE the nearly 600,000 Michigan Democrats who voted in that Primary.

That's a FACT, not an opinion.


FACT: To do the same regarding Florida's Delegates to the Democratic Convention in Denver, is to DISENFRANCHISE the nearly one and a half million Florida Democrats who voted on January 29 in Florida's Primary.

That's also a FACT, not an opinion.


QUESTION: Why should those more than two million Democrats in Michigan and Florida be DISENFRANCHISED from the process of selecting the Democratic nominee to the Presidency of the United States?

What did those two million people do, to deserve that they should be DISENFRANCHISED from this process?


ANSWER: Nothing except for vote in their State's Primary, on the day it was scheduled.
That's all those two million people did, they voted on the day the Primary was scheduled...


Want to punish those who scheduled the Primaries on the day that they did?

Then punish them, and not the two million people who voted in those two States in those two Primaries on those two scheduled days...

Those two million Michigan and Florida Democrats did not make the schedule, and so they should not be punished with DISENFRANCHISEMENT, simply because they voted on the only day they could have.


And that appeal on behalf of those two million American Democrats in Michigan and Florida, does contain I admit a bit of opinion maybe...

But an opinion based on FACTS and COMMON SENSE and JUSTICE.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:01 PM on 02/15/2008

Oh please. The voters in Michigan and Florida need to grow up. Your states broke the rules and now you want your votes to still count? Sorry, but breaking the rules has consequences. What I'd like to know is why these people bothered going to vote in an election that everyone knew wasn't going to count. Maybe next time you'll pay attention before running to the voting booth. You wanna blame someone? Blame the Democratic parties of your states. And it's not like you only had that one day to vote. If the primary had been held on a different day, I'm sure you could've made the time to go.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 02/15/2008

Hey, Dildo - Florida had a Republican-sponsored tax proposal on the ballot. Democratic voter turnout actually WAS depressed and intentionally so - to get the tax proposal passed.

I do blame the Democratic party of the State of Florida, but the DNC is to blame for not reaching a solution when the state Republicans would not allow the state Democratic Party to move the date back to 2/5 to be in compliance.

This was pure Rovian strategic politics on the part of the Republicans in the Florida legislature. The DNC fell for it and the uneducated masses keep screaming that we cheated. I cheated nothing. It's one thing to say that my vote shouldn't count. It's quite another to blame me for it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:43 PM on 02/15/2008

Rules? These are not broken laws. The State sets up a primary and you vote or don't vote regardless of what the DNC says. These are DNC rules and they disenfranchise voters. What does that say about Obama and changing the tone. I don't know if he can expect their votes in these States to stay Dem. In the last 7 elections MI has voted Republican 5 times. In the past 12 presidential elections Florida has only gone Dem in 3 of them. Ignore them at your peril.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:29 PM on 02/15/2008

The answer is simple--they broke the rules.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:58 PM on 02/15/2008

Do over!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 PM on 02/15/2008

Hey Dem02020 they can do over or ST Flip U. Choose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 PM on 02/15/2008
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hey dem02020 here a couple of FACTS for you.

FACT: if you and the others now SCREAMING about voter DISENFRANCHISEMENT feel so strongly about the issue as you pretend, why weren't you protesting DISENFRANCHISEMENT as fervently at the outset when the dnc FIRST PROPOSED stripping the two states of their delegates?

i'll tell you why; because as long as you and all the other hillary supporters believed that hillary had a LOCK on the nomination, those DISENFRANCHISED voters didn't matter. any truly HONEST person would admit such.

FACT: it was only AFTER hillary found herself behind in the campaign that the DISENFRANCHISEMENT of florida and michigan voters became a major concern. a quick google search will validate this FACT.

how about a little honesty? i challenge you or ANY hillary supporter to find one DOCUMENTED instance, PRIOR TO IOWA, where hillary or any member of her camp voiced vehement disapproval of the dnc decision to DISENFRANCHISE millions of voters. and by that i mean the same level of concern and disapproval as they are now voicing.

and before you say it, no, i'm not a hillary basher. if she is the democratic nominee in november i will gladly campaign and vote for her.

these are FACTS based on COMMON SENSE, JUSTICE and HONESTY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 AM on 02/16/2008
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I think there is a qualitative difference between Michigan and Florida.

All the names were on the ballot in Florida. Michigan should hold a caucus to elect delegates. Florida's delegates should be seated.

However, I totally support Michigan's and Florida's attempt to rip this undeserved entitlement Iowa and New Hampshire, two non-representative rural states, have about winnowing down our choices. Metropolitan areas (urban/suburban) are where the American people mostly live, and I quite frankly can think for myself and didn't need or want their help.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/15/2008

Nobody forces Obama and Edward to remove their name from the ballot; they decides that on their own -- preperbly because they know they can win there.

And bytheway, Obama and Edward did urge their suppoerts to vote uncommited in the Michigan primary which they did, remember? 40% of them! and Hillary stil won -- hence the fight now not to have them seated.

So now it has to come back and hunt Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/15/2008

laweredup, I hope your grammar and spelling aren't that bad in your legal briefs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/15/2008

ALERT!!!!! ENGLISH 101 CLASSES NOW BEING TAUGHT, APPLY TODAY....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 PM on 02/15/2008

The Clintons are sore losers. Including Florida and Michigan now would be cheating. It's like a sports team including an exhibition game as part of its season record. Ignore all this screaming about disenfranchisement. Breaking the rules has consequences. If you're someone in Florida or Michigan who voted and feel like your vote doesn't count, blame your state for moving up their primaries in defiance of the DNC. If Howard Dean caves in, he and his party will lose all credibility and people like me will vote for McCain.

Oh thanks Bob for being honest. This almost makes up for you telling the public Obama is a Muslim. I know you apologized, but that doesn't cut it. Ever notice how the Clinton surrogates cross the line and then say they're sorry? How many times does the press let them get away with that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:53 PM on 02/15/2008

Denny; having your 4th amendment right taken away is not like an exhibition game. Exhibition game is not written in our Constitution.

This is why I stop reading your post half way through.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:43 PM on 02/15/2008

lawyerup, I stopped reading you because you're functionally illiterate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/15/2008

Really, do us all a favor now and just commit to McCain. As a loyal Democrat for over 25 years of my voting life, I find you little piss-ants who keep screaming you won't vote for anyone but Obama a real nuisance.

The fact is, chief, in electoral politics, you're not always gonna get everything you want...if you think it's better or different on the Republican side...take a hike, then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 02/15/2008

Sure, give those atates a couple of dozen delgates. Why not split them fairly? One third for Clinton, one third for Obama and one third for Edwards (still in the race at that point}. There you go, nobody's happy so everybody is equally unhappy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:29 PM on 02/15/2008

Love it.

Changing the rules mid-race is one perspective. I agree. Bad idea.

I also have a hard time with NH and IA insisting on batting lead-off, let alone the entire primary morass, including OPEN PRIMARIES, but that's another story.

Another angle on this is CHALLENGING the rules, LOSING the ruling, and pressing ahead ANYWAY.

Anyone from MI or FL reading? Your thoughts?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 02/15/2008

I do't see the harm in seating Flroda's delegates personally. Everyone's name was on the ballot...there was very little actual campaigning, except for Obama's commercials that ran about every ten minutes.

I can't imagine the vote would have been much different. Clinton's from New York...about half the state is from New York.

So Clinton gets a few extra delegates...what's the big deal in the long run...Obama's got the Mo and it's not that unlikely that he runs the rest of the board.

Michign - that's another story. I think they'd need some sort of revote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:51 PM on 02/15/2008

You and me, both. So much money is spent on the first primaries. At least Nevada wasn't so small.

It's a very odd system, all the way around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/15/2008

But the vote didn't vote that way! did they?. Isn't that the same arguement the Obama camp started making before anybody knows what is going to happen about the superdeligates?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:48 PM on 02/15/2008
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