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Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

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George Bush overheard prior to addressing the House talking with Nancy Pelosi.

"We live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns, not our sons or daughters of course. I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That spying on Americans, while tragic, probably saves lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at the Democratic national convention, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like torture, rendition, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending our wealth. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a woman who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way. Either way, I don't give a damn what the Constitution says or what the American people think they are entitled to."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 02/16/2008

Then Bush screamed:

"You can't handle the truth!"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:19 PM on 02/16/2008

Hey dick lick, no one is saying you can't eavesdrop, we're saying you have to get warrants. You just want immunity for the telecoms, and protection for your sorry ass. We are not buying it. Now go clear some brush or something.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/16/2008
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dude,
no need to eavesdrop -
i'll put it right here
on huff-post,
suck my fucking boner.
okay, that's all done.
now back to politics....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/16/2008
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Or Boehner...

Sorry, couldn't resist. I promise to make a sincere act of contrition.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:34 PM on 02/17/2008

I'll let Bush eavesdrop on me if he lets me eavesdrop on him. Seems only fair.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/16/2008

This piece of dog excrement (named George W. Bush) is so IRRELEVANT now that what ever comes out of this stinking mouth can only add to the stench that pollute the Earth.

I blame the spineless Democrats like this Washington's prostitute named Nancy Pelosi for taking the "impeachment off the table". The nation has been damaged enough. The constitution has been battered too much. The people have had enough of this lousy corrupt Neo-con and corporate-controlled government. In fact, the only thing that is "in danger" is the democracy itself and the terrorists, who are threatening our democracy, are Bush and his evil Neo-con conspirators.

There will be a day when Bush and his evil gang get justice either on Earth or in hell or both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:48 PM on 02/16/2008

Bush is just preparing the "uhmerican" people for the next attack, which is really inevitable. Then he can blame it on the democrats. My guess is that this will conveniently take place before the next election. This administration has already proven that if you look the other way long enough, something can, and will happen. Hint.....Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S. using airplanes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:58 AM on 02/16/2008

The script of a tragic, foreign induced, event would be very convenient for the bushitians. Such an event would transmogrify "the great decider" into "the great dictator."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 02/16/2008

law suits involve depositions


bush and chaney trying tio save their asses

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 02/16/2008

The senate bill does not authorize warrantless domestic wiretapping or wiretapping of US citizens in foreign countries. From the senate bill summary "prohibits an acquisition intentionally targeting a person reasonably believed to be outside the United States with the significant purpose of acquiring the communications of a specific person reasonably believed to be located in the United States"

"States that: (1) FISA shall be the exclusive means for targeting U.S. persons in order to acquire foreign intelligence, whether such persons are inside or outside the United States"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:48 AM on 02/16/2008

They can listen to our calls now when we call abroad and do so without a warrent.

I suppose we should not complain unless we are calling Osama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:21 PM on 02/16/2008
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The telecoms thought their gravy-train handshake with the Republicans would just keep on rolling until there was nothing anyone could do about it.

America is a great country--we'll prove that to the world when we dispose of such corrupted fascist power via democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:23 AM on 02/16/2008

DO YOU THINK THE SPYING ALSO INCLUDED KEEPING RECORDS OF THE MILLIONS OF DOCUMENTS THAT THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION LOST ON PURPOSE. IF EVASDROPPING IS SO IMPORTANT TO OUR SAFETY WHY HAVEN'T OUR BORDERS BEEN SEALED...ANY TERRORIST CAN COME ACROSS WITH MONEY AND EXPLOSIVES TO DO US HARM. INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 AM on 02/16/2008

DELICIOUS; Absolutely correct. But with out the eavesdropping Bush and his cabal of traitors can not keep track of those true patriots who want his butt in prison or executed for crimes against humanity. 1776

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/16/2008

Only a few months ago, the Bush/Cheney "lost" five or six million E-Mails and other types of documents. By law (a joke to the great decider) the administration is required to retain this data.

Could this Bush demand for more communications spying by used to spy on the Bush administration? This would save the trouble of trying to extract information from the Bush administration. Furthermore, it would be perfectly legal. Perhaps, Bush/Cheney & Company communications could be immediately placed on-line for public access.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/08/bush-e-mail-mys.html

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/04/12/lost_documents/index.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_e-mail_controversy

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:26 AM on 02/16/2008

good lord...do we STILL have to pretend this clown is president??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 AM on 02/16/2008

How about PRIORITY eavesdropping on those who permitted planeloads of Saudis to leave the US immediately following 9/11 while most aircraft were still grounded??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 02/16/2008

Sorry, we now know that:

1. The US government built, funded and trained Al-CIAda.

2. That the Bin Ladens are business partners with the Bush family. (Caryle Group)

3. Steel framed buildings do not collapse into thier own footprints. (World Trade Center #7)

4. The only people with the power to hit the pentagon with a missle on the morning of 9/11, was the military itself. If I am wrong, just show us the video of the plane hitting the building.

Now that we know these things, we are not going to fall for more lies. We are not going to allow them to take our freedoms away. We are not going to let them spy on us outside of judicial oversite.

We have seen the enemy of the American people.

We know who lied the US into a war of aggression.

It is time to end this war and bring the troops home.

Treason trials now.




    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:29 PM on 02/15/2008
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Truther!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/16/2008

Actually, the Pakistani Intelligence Service (ISI) trained the group later to become Al Qaeda. We did fund them, though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:23 PM on 02/16/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:05 PM on 02/15/2008
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