Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

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PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he answers questions on the "Protect America Act", Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. The president said he will delay his five-nation trip to Africa if necessary to help members of the House pass a bill governing U.S. eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

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But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
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- crablover I'm a Fan of crablover 22 fans permalink

Enough already! I refuse to live in fear! By making statements such as these, Bush is himself practicing terrorism!

The odds of being struck by lightning are lower than your chances of dying in a terrorist attack, yet this administration continues to use fear to subvert the Constitution and enrich his cronies.

He wants immunity for the the eavesdropping telcos because if any of the privacy violation cases goes to trial, he faces the prospect of prosecution himself for breaking the law and subverting the Fourth Amendment.

Congress -- grow some balls and impeach these bastards!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/15/2008
- Ammobob I'm a Fan of Ammobob 36 fans permalink

Naaaah, it ain't THAT bad, is it? DEMS have had 6 months to debate the issue, now it's crunch time and the HOUSE balks. Drama, drama....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 02/15/2008
- Sachem515 I'm a Fan of Sachem515 2 fans permalink
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See Olbermann's Special Comment from last night

MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23173388/

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B99iCYV2gU

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 02/15/2008

Hey Sachem515 -
Was that beautiful or what? I was feeling the love! Olbermann truly speaks to critically thinking Americans who care deeply about this country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/15/2008

If we are in so much danger, why did he not sign the temporary extension of the PPA?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 02/15/2008

Right On. You and me and all the folks who voted for Contempt and all their supporters and anyone who understands this: http://kennedy.senate.gov/newsroom/press_release.cfm?id=3E414E2D-8473-434E-AFCE-077E56AC1338

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/15/2008
- malrubius I'm a Fan of malrubius 3 fans permalink

"Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger"

Is this guy a master of irony or what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/15/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

A-yup. The worst thing Congress has done is fail to impeach his arse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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Master of Irony, Lord of Stupidity, King of Creepy, Fuher of Fascism, Demagog of Derision.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 02/15/2008

the only thing missing from bush's pointy little head are a set of devil horns.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 AM on 02/15/2008

Most of the trolls who post here are boring and simpleminded.Why don't they go to like minded blogs? It's like cleaning up garbage when you try to debate with them. You're bound to get some on you. I wonder what percentage of Americans are as dumb as a troll? I wonder what percentage of Americans are as afraid as the trolls?
Gawddddddd I need a break from the emptyheaded fuckers. They wear you out with their incessant stupidity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/15/2008
- prscnt1 I'm a Fan of prscnt1 8 fans permalink

Why don't you apply your rant to yourself and disappear?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 02/15/2008

Because my dimwitted friend although I am not American I want America to become the most democratic and free country on the planet.
At the moment it is not that. With fools like you in control it will never be so either.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:51 AM on 02/15/2008

Most Americans said they have paid close attention to the controversy over the program, and a bare majority of those surveyed, 51 percent, said it is an acceptable way to fight terrorism, while 47 percent said it is not. Beneath those overall findings, however, were sharp partisan divisions.

Nearly two in three Americans surveyed said they believe that federal agencies involved in anti-terrorism activities are intruding on the personal privacy of their fellow citizens, but fewer than a third said such intrusions are unjustified.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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I don't know if their dumb, but they are definitely brain-washed, or at the very least have mental health issues. These trolls would have been the first ones to put on a Brown Shirt in 1933, and they gladly would've killed innocent people because they were told to. The brown shirt has been replaced by a W sticker or an American Flag on their lapel and occasionally a jesus-fish on the back of their mini-van.

Remember what Sinclair Lewis said:

"When fascism comes to america it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:42 AM on 02/15/2008
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 29 fans permalink
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this is a fairly simple-minded website. The majority of the posts can be summed up as follows: Chimp and the repooplitards are fuckwads.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/15/2008

You are so quick with the facts, I am impressed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 02/15/2008
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Debate? They're not here to debate.

They're here to insult.

They're here to hock up the bile
that their pundictators feed them.
Chewers of other America haters' cuds.
Regurgitants. Sheep. Victims.

Don't debate. Assault.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 AM on 02/15/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

1984

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 02/15/2008
- ronspri I'm a Fan of ronspri 14 fans permalink

The republicowards need to go back to hiding under their beds. Get a warrant! There are more than enough laws already in place. How incompetent do you have to be to not be able to do things within Constitutional guidelines. Thank God for those who stood strong against this. Finally I breath, some spine!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 02/15/2008

It has already passed the Senate, and it is supported by a majority in the House, but Nancy Pelosi won't let it come to a vote because she wants to play politics with our national security? Unbelievable. Democrats must be proud of their do-nothing Congress.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 02/15/2008

You seem to favour 'protecting' the USA by attacking the fundamental values upon which the country was founded. How does that protect America?
Do you wish your country to become more like the dictatorships you 'people' claim to abhor?
Why do you want to export democracy abroad while supporting its curtailment in your own country?
I don't think that people like you understand but your arguements are illogical. You want to 'fight' terrorism by more government interference in the lives of Americans coupled with creating more terrorists abroad. Makes no sense.
It is like fighting poverty at home by cutting social programs and lowering the minimum wage and then hiring illegals . Makes no sense.
I suppose that's what appeals to you.

You people also claim that Democrats don't know how to protect the USA while ignoring the fact that the worst terrorism attack on American soil took place when a Republican was in the WH and Congress was controlled by Republicans. Your arguement is nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:38 AM on 02/15/2008
- Mercedes I'm a Fan of Mercedes 26 fans permalink

oneeye:

I think they accept whatever Bush does because they (the Repubs) don't know how, or don't WANT to think for themselves--they want someone else to do their thinking for them.

If they take RESPONSIBILITY of putting this clown in the White House, then they will realize that they have approved a traitor to start a war in Iraq based on LIES and that each and every one of them who voted for Bush, or who still supports him and the Repub party are guilty of fascism. They don't want to face what they've allowed to be done to this country, but, luckily some of these people are waking up and realizing that Bush's REAL agenda is that he wants to be King of the US of A and eventually rule THE WORLD by being a PNAC (Project for the New American Century) kind of a guy.

Can you picture Bushie being the "supreme decider" for the whole planet? NO WAY!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/15/2008

I do not want to attack the values upon which the country was founded. Listening to our enemies plot against us is not curtailling our democracy one bit. What if Bin Laden called one of his people here in the US with instructions on a bombing he wants done? Don't you think we should listen in? And by listening, are we taking away somebody's rights? Or are we ensuring the most basic right, the right to life (see Declaration of Independence)? You asked "how does that protect America?" Let's see, if we can prevent an attack, and prevent innocent people from being murdered, I think that qualifies as protecting America.

My arguments are very logical. Do you call al Quaeda a lot? If not, then your life is not being interfered with. And we do not "create" terrorists. We don't strap bombs on children or on retarded women, they do. We don't tell them they get 72 virgins if they kill others, they do.

The worst terror attack took place 8 months into Bush's presidency, but was planned for years before, during Clinton's. While Clinton was President, he had at least 10 opportunities to kill Bin Laden, he passed on all of them. He even had him offered to us to take into custody, he declined. The thing that emboldened Bin Laden the most was Somalia, when we turned tail and ran. He called us a "paper tiger" for doing that, because he felt he could attack us and we wouldn't respond. So if anyone "created" a terrorist, then Clinton must have "created" Bin Laden, using your logic.

The only reason you guys are against it is because Bush is for it. Clinton asked for and got the same thing, yet not a peep of how our rights were being taken away then.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 02/15/2008
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I know, ... We'll have Bush create a signing statement BEFORE the bill passes, ... what difference does it make that Congress hasn't passed anything? He creates his own "laws" as he goes anyway, right?

Be "reasonable", trolls, and you'll realize that by "doing nothing", they have finally done what we sent them there to do! Stuff it in the Fuehrer's face!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/15/2008
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Nancy Pelosi needs to get a new job. I think Olive Garden is hiring hostesses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:41 AM on 02/15/2008
- bluzz I'm a Fan of bluzz 2 fans permalink

More like the repulikkkans won't let them do anything with obstructionist tactics.

The whole congress could pass a bill on this right now without the telecom immunity...but Bush thinks its more important to protect the telecoms then the people...nice. Also the current law allows for it to continue for another year.....this is just bush bullshit and you eat it up like, so what's the fuss. Retroactive immunity....presupposes illegal activity.
I like how all the gun nuts who site the constitution for their right to do so but then don't care that this is much more of a constitutional hit than that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/15/2008
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National Security?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a maroon!

This crap isn't about national security. It's about creating a culture of fear in order to try and shoehorn a Repooplicon moron like John McCain into the WH.

Now THAT'S playing politics. The politics of fear a loathing which is a hallmark of Repooplicon strategy.

weasel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/15/2008
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Surely he doesn't care if there's a law or not. He doesn't let little things like the Constitution and legislation interfere with his heroic exploits.

This is merely an opportunity to crank up the fear meter. Keep an eye out for the 30% of true believers. They'll be trying to listen in on your phone conversations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 02/15/2008
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I was thinking of my neighbors . . . and yours.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 02/15/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 122 fans permalink
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Preznitwit is a coward and a traitor who offers the nation nothing but fear... because he is weak and afraid himself.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 02/15/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

Hello? Is there anybody out there???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 AM on 02/15/2008
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