Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

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PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he answers questions on the "Protect America Act", Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. The president said he will delay his five-nation trip to Africa if necessary to help members of the House pass a bill governing U.S. eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

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But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
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- DELICIOUS I'm a Fan of DELICIOUS 6 fans permalink

IS IT TIME FOR THE DUCT TAPE AND PLASTIC AGAIN?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 02/15/2008

Maybe a few letters filled with the highest quality anthrax will help,you never hear about that anymore.WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 02/15/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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For our dumb as a rock President.

From:

http://www.criticalthinking.org.uk/tigerrepellantrock.html

A nice illustration of a fallacy from The Simpsons:

After a single bear wandering into town has drawn an over-reaction from the residents of Springfield, Homer stands outside his house and muses, “Not a bear in sight. The Bear Patrol is working like a charm!”

Lisa sees through his reasoning: “That’s specious reasoning, dad.” Homer, misunderstanding the word “specious”, thanks her for the compliment.

Optimistically, she tries to explain the error in his argument: “By your logic, I could claim that this rock keeps tigers away.” Homer is confused: “Hmm; how does it work?” Lisa: “It doesn’t work; it’s just a stupid rock!” Homer: “Uh-huh.” Lisa: “... but I don’t see any tigers around, do you?”

Homer, after a moment’s thought: “Lisa, I want to buy your rock...”

Correllation does not imply causation. Just because two things occur together, does not mean that one caused the other. Homer argues that as the Bear Patrol vans are correlated with an absence of bears, the former must have caused the latter. Lisa, tongue in cheek, argues that as the presence of her rock is correlated with an absence of tigers, the former must have caused the latter.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/15/2008
- neocon43 I'm a Fan of neocon43 29 fans permalink

At least he was smarter then Gore.Got you on that one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 02/15/2008
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nope

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:26 PM on 02/15/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 123 fans permalink
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Wrong again.. wrong still.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:45 PM on 02/15/2008
- HLMerkin I'm a Fan of HLMerkin 2 fans permalink
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You are freakin' hilarious. I obviously lost you at rock . . . .

If you got to "Correllation does not imply causation" your head would have exploded.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 02/15/2008
- jazzman I'm a Fan of jazzman 245 fans permalink
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More pronouncements from Adolf: "More snooping! Got that Himmler?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 PM on 02/15/2008

gunshowonthenet.com?

C'mon...you made that up, right? LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/15/2008

Nah I just searched for a list Constitutional cases citing the 'immaterial' Federalist Papers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:40 PM on 02/15/2008
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LOL notice that the link doesn't mention whether the citations were initiated by the Supreme Court or whether they were used in the arguments of council along the appeals process.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:41 PM on 02/15/2008
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They exist, yes we know that hobson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 PM on 02/15/2008

Well, at least he managed to prove that the Federalist Papers, do, in fact, exist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/15/2008
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Is any one actually opening vogie's links?
Personally, I'd rather lick a canker sore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:34 PM on 02/15/2008
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So do the good folks at huff po just scrub hobson's posts for GP now? He isn't fairing well today on any front.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 02/15/2008
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I found my role of duct tape and went to my interior bathroom
but there was a terrorist already there, hiding in my bath tub!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 PM on 02/15/2008

Eeeeeep! Whatever did you do?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:30 PM on 02/15/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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Long Island Sound is teeming with snorkels today. It's horrifying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:35 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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In spite of your huge ego Vog, you , are a featherweight.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:13 PM on 02/15/2008
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feathers are heavier then hobson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- lm945 I'm a Fan of lm945 4 fans permalink

I forsee one of two scenarios quickly transpiring:

1. An increased terror alert
2. A manufacturered "terrorist" attack (either thwarted at the last minute, or even allowed to transpire)

Bush and the Republicans will then all be jumping up and down, screaming (and foaming at the mouth) "the Democrats did it, the Democrats did it, it's all their fault!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/15/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

All activities under the Protect America Act can continue for up to a year even if the law expires AND there is still FISA which was sufficient for Ronald Reagan to fight the Cold War against enemies who had a nuclear arsenal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 02/15/2008

Exactly. Bush is fear-mongering to get favors for his little Telecom buddies. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 02/15/2008
- GenXer I'm a Fan of GenXer 20 fans permalink
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All the extra reductions in civil liberties will still not prevent crazies from campus shootings. The only ones hurt by shameless domestic spying are law abiding citizens.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 02/15/2008
- Pleidian I'm a Fan of Pleidian 6 fans permalink
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I tell you, Prescott Bush is doing a dance in Hell. Full steam ahead.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:38 PM on 02/15/2008
- Ides I'm a Fan of Ides 21 fans permalink

"I guess you gotta come to the conclusion that there’s a threat to America … or not a threat. But clearly they don’t feel that sense of urgency."

--George W. Bush, February 14, 2008

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/15/2008

The Bush Administration was illegally spying on everyone in March 2001, but it didn't prevent 9/11.

"Rebuilding America's Defenses" (RAD) from The Project for a New American Century (PNAC) in 2000 documented what they wanted to do with this:
http://newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

"If outer space represents an emerging medium of warfare, then “cyberspace,” and in particular the Internet hold similar promise and threat. And as with space, access to and use of cyberspace and the Internet are emerging elements in global commerce, politics and power. Any nation wishing to assert itself globally must take account of this other new “global commons.”

"Although many concepts of 'cyber-war' have elements of science fiction about them, and the role of the Defense Department in establishing 'control,' or even what 'security' on the Internet means, requires a consideration of a host of legal, moral and political issues, there nonetheless will remain an imperative to be able to deny America and its allies' enemies the ability to disrupt or paralyze either the military's or the commercial sector's computer networks."

Some people have compared RAD to Hitler's publication of Mein Kampf, which was ignored until after the war was over.

This RAD report also documented that they wanted to change the way the military is run (e.g., can you say "Blackwater", "KBR", "Halliburton", mercenary) and that they wanted to have a permanent military presence in the Middle East (like Iraq).

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."

Oh, yeah... Didn't something happen in September of 2001 that was like a Pearl Harbor?

Wasn't it Al Capote that we sent up the river for tax evasion, because we couldn't nail him for murder and his other crimes?

If we can't nail Bush/Cheney for 9/11, stealing elections, international war crimes, etc., I'll settle for violating FISA laws.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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If it was true, which it isn't, that the president's number on job was to protect the homeland, Constitution be damned, then he could reasonably shoot down any Muslim , or liberal, or whatever, if he thought they were a threat, utter , bullshit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 02/15/2008

Oh WOW!!! I didn't see this beauty until now.

Best review your Constitution with particular attention to the section on The Executive...

I see you take issue with the Federalist papers, I assume you regard them as immaterial to the body of works used to determine Constitutional law. Perhaps you should take that up with the Supreme Court, I'm sure they would find your arguments fascinating.

I see that you ignore the case law. Too many words no doubt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 PM on 02/15/2008
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they are immaterial

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Where did you get your law degree ?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 02/15/2008
- noamjunior I'm a Fan of noamjunior 86 fans permalink

one thing the GOP quislings can't answer
If we now live in an era where we can no longer afford privacy to stop terror
WHY DID BUSH CONTINUOUSLY TRY TO SUBVERT THE (9-11 COMMISSION?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 123 fans permalink

The answers were there for them on day one, provided by the Bush people. It was under-trained Muslim flight students who came from middle class families who just got so carried away by radical Imams that they killed themselves to start a war in Iraq.

The fact that seven of them are likely still alive is of no consequence.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:58 PM on 02/15/2008

I was going to post earlier, but I've been hiding under my bed all day because I was so afraid of an attack...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 123 fans permalink

...they can see you even under there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 02/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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LOL!

Be afraid... be very afraid....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 02/15/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 02/15/2008

ROFL! Excellent.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 02/15/2008

I'm messaging from my underground bomb shelter. Thankfully I still receive my wi-fi connection.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/15/2008
- serialcoma I'm a Fan of serialcoma 123 fans permalink
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Was that you touching my butt?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 02/15/2008
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The real danger is to continue this destructive slide into fascism. So Bush is really fighting for these telecom companies to get retroactive immunity! I wonder what THEY have to hide. We are loosing our rights constantly, this erosion must stop. I drew a cartoon about these dirty birds shitting on our constitution, it's up on my website now,
www.whatnowtoons.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 PM on 02/15/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/02/15/poe/

In a surprisingly decent interview with Mike McConnell on NPR, the interviewer provoked McConnell into giving the lie to the President's shrill fear-mongering .
MCCONNELL: Well, Renee it's a very complex issue. It's true that some of the authorities would carry over to the period they were established for one year. That would put us into the August, September time-frame. However, that's not the real issue. The issue is liability protection for the private sector.

The very idea that expiration of the PAA would leave us with "intelligence gaps" is absurd on its face, since we simply revert to the more-than-adequate FISA framework. But even if it were true, those gaps could easily be closed if the administration simply accepted a bill without telecom amnesty.
The issue is not "intelligence gaps." Rather, as McConnell candidly admits, the "real issue" is "liability protection for the private sector." To take them at their word, George Bush and Mike McConnell are putting the nation at risk in order to ensure that AT&T and Verizon do not have to be held accountable in a court of law for having broken the law. Think about how twisted and corrupt that calculus is.
One other vital point: The claim that telecoms will cease to cooperate without retroactive immunity is deeply dishonest on multiple levels, but the dishonesty is most easily understood when one realizes that, under the law, telecoms are required to cooperate with legal requests from the government. They don't have the option to "refuse." Without amnesty, telecoms will be reluctant in the future to break the law again, which we should want. But there is no risk that they will refuse requests to cooperate with legal surveillance, particularly since they are legally obligated to cooperate in those circumstances. The claim the telcoms will cease to cooperate with surveillance requests is pure fear-mongering, and is purely dishonest."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/15/2008

In other words, the president is putting the country in danger by catering to his corporate cronies. He's more interested in ass-covering than combating terrorism.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 PM on 02/15/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

Shh. don't tell the trolls...they are safe in their cult worship.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 02/15/2008
- JaneC I'm a Fan of JaneC 277 fans permalink
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He's never been interested in terrorism. He turned his back on terrorism six+ years ago.

Why would he start so close to his departure to be concerned?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 02/15/2008
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Yesterday morning, one Foxie sitting on a sofa referred to the Telecoms as "companies that helped us out."

By the way, these companies were so patriotic they shut off wiretaps when the krimestoppers were too busy to notice they had forgotten to pay the bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 PM on 02/15/2008

LOL...yes, I remember that story. Those damn patriotic Telecoms, always putting country before...err...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/15/2008

McConnell candidly admits, the "real issue" is "liability protection for the private sector."

This is only partially true, of course. If the "private sector" firms are found guilty of breaking the law, and did so in collusion with the administration, this becomes an article of impeachment that is legally and politically difficult to ignore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:26 PM on 02/15/2008
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