Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

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PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he answers questions on the "Protect America Act", Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. The president said he will delay his five-nation trip to Africa if necessary to help members of the House pass a bill governing U.S. eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

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But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
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- NotWaldo I'm a Fan of NotWaldo 44 fans permalink
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George W. Bush received a coded message from Bin Laden himself recently. It said :

370HSSV-0773H

Bush was baffled, so he e-mailed it to Condi Rice. Condi and her aides had no clue either, so they sent it to the FBI, the CIA and the NSA.

With no clue as to its meaning they eventually asked the Royal Canadian Mountain Police for help. Within thirty seconds the RCMP cabled the White House with this reply:

"Tell the President he's holding the message upside down."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 02/15/2008
- batgirlevi I'm a Fan of batgirlevi 9 fans permalink

LMAO

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/15/2008
- pinkyboo I'm a Fan of pinkyboo 22 fans permalink

LOL !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:13 PM on 02/15/2008

great day starter . . .

(Bet he STILL had to have Dick read it to him . . . )

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/15/2008
- pizzmoe I'm a Fan of pizzmoe 20 fans permalink

Good one!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/15/2008

The photo amply illustrates the adage, "a picture is worth a thousand words."
Paranoia is a side effect of alcohol-induced brain damage.
So is ignoring the law because one considers himself too special for normal laws.
I'm so sick of having a narcissistic dry drunk running things.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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FDR ; There is nothing to fear !

Repubs ; Ahhhhhhhhhhhh Fuckkkkkkkk, we're all gonna dieeeee !!!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/15/2008

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BushCo: There is nothing to fear but fear and more fear!

The GOP ... fearfully yours.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/15/2008

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Vogy says:

"which is an absurdity given the circumstances and speed of modern communication."

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LOFL

You just blew the ass out of your own argument vogy!

If modern communications are so speedy why not use that speed to comply with FISA which does not have to be instant?

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008
- Mike169 I'm a Fan of Mike169 50 fans permalink
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Maybe if the government put us all in a nice safe place where we can't get hurt or hurt ourselves...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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Green Zone.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/15/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 215 fans permalink
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Putting an end to the FISA lie:

It is NOT necessary to our Nation's security, that the government have the absolute unfettered power to spy on everyone, all the time, without question, without accountability, and without limit.

The reality is that 99.999% or more of the People pose absolutely no credible threat of committing any terrorist act, ever, and collecting the mountains of data involved in spying on everyone all the time just gets in the way of watching the 0.001% or less of people that actually need to be monitered for legitimate security purposes, which no court would deny a warrant for.

And don't forget, that at least part of the reason the Bush Adminstration missed the numerous clues pointing to 9/11 was because they couldn't sort out the relevant from the irrelevant data, even with far, far less data to sort through.

So what, then, will be the effect of adding billions of additional pieces of worthless data to the haystack? What are the chances that the people that could not get a bottle of water to a child after Katrina will actually find the needle in the massive data stream they argue they "need."

So why then, do they "need" this?

Because they need the powers of a Super-Joe McCarthy, to scare the pi-s out of their political enemies and encourage the People to self-censor and remain in fear of both the terrorists and their own government.

Bush/Cheney, and their neo-con flying monkeys don't want to give up their clandestine powers, and they will do anything in their power not to. Expect some serious sh-t to hit the fan over this one. They will stop at nothing, and their main tool for perpetuating their power will be the promotion of fear among the people.

Whatever happens, do not forget these wise words:

"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." FDR

See also Olberman's Special Comment on this subject from last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23174929#23174929

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008
- freespeach I'm a Fan of freespeach 59 fans permalink

Great link Moshe.

It is so rare to see the truth spoken (on TV) anymore, it is almost shocking when you see it.

Everyone should check out Moshe's link.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/15/2008

There is something so creepy about the pic that accompanies this article with Bush half in the light, half in the darkness. Am I the only one who feels it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 02/15/2008
- dotmafia I'm a Fan of dotmafia 45 fans permalink
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"The Democratic leaders ought to be held accountable for their inaction," House Republican leader John Boehner told reporters after the White House meeting.

Why hasn't the Bush "administration" been held ACCOUNTABLE for their inaction before 9/11 occurred, despite the fact that they had many warnings?! Why not Boehner?!

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

The American citizens DO clearly understand that this threat and enemy --

IS GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY
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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/15/2008

Maybe John Boner should ask why Congress hasn't held the Bush Administration "accountable" for 925 Cited Lies or the destruction of the Justice Department, or spying on it's citizens BEFORE 9/11? jis wonderin . . .

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/15/2008

Because he was complicit.

Glad I could clear that up for you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:45 PM on 02/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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If Telecoms break the law, they should be punished. Why is there even a question about it? No immunity.

If they don't plan to break laws, no immunity is necessary.

Either way, no immunity.

As for evesdropping, they can evesdrop all they want, just get a FISA court warrant. If it takes too long, buy the court faster computers, and let them hire a few more people.

Better still, have them fire idiots like Vogons they might have on their staff, and hire some people with brains.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/15/2008

Clever Fume, as always you simply seek to obscure the facts with your nonsense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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The facts seem obscure to you because your head is stuck up your ass. That's why, all you see is shit around you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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I bet there isn't 1 in 10 dems on this site that voted for Kucinch. Keep voting for the safe, warm speech making, corporate sponsored dems, yeah, that oughta shake things up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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He dropped out before it got to California. Don't blame me. Blame him. And the media wo wouldn't let him be in the debates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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You would have, that wasn't my point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008
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i voted for him in 2000 and 2004 in california. obama is the only choice now, but still i think he's part of the establishment.

it's a frustrating situation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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Very.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/15/2008
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Didn't you notice that all the screen names at this site are in Blue Dog blue?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/15/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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What is to be afraid of

1] Let them have your biometric data.

2] Let them have all your banking details and transfers.

3] Let them monitor all your communications.

Gosh I really don't know why anyone would worry about the government having access to everything. Governments have always been so reliable in the past, you should feel safer with all this information stored in one place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/15/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Besides they would probably lose it anyway.

See the UK and data security, what a joke.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 PM on 02/15/2008
- HumeSkeptic I'm a Fan of HumeSkeptic 1653 fans permalink
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Worse, that place would be in the basement of a contractor. Blackwater? I wouldn't rule that out. They get all sorts of contracts from the government besides for killing civilians in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008

The fact that Bush has to resort to the same tired bullshit every time he wants something reminds me of my four-year old who turns on the tears when she doesn't get her way. Instead of tears, it's "to protect the homeland". Every time I hear 'homeland' I think of the Germans protecting the Fatherland and the Russians protecting the Motherland. Bush is a scared little coward who has too much power and not enough brains. He is a fascist, but scarily enough, he has a 24% approval rating, higher than the 14% approval rating Hitler enjoyed form the German people. Amazing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 02/15/2008
- quintus I'm a Fan of quintus 13 fans permalink

No one apparently likes to talk about it, but our country is moving towards becoming a fascist state. Students of history will all recognize the signs.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 02/15/2008
- Clinton I'm a Fan of Clinton 9 fans permalink

It has been there for some time now. It is a fait accompli, now only the details are being ironed out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/15/2008
- darcy I'm a Fan of darcy 27 fans permalink

This man bush is so evil, he takes my breath away. He will go down in history alright...like Attila the Hun.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/15/2008
- Shanti I'm a Fan of Shanti 2 fans permalink

I think Chavez was right on target when he called Bush:" Mr. Danger"!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:51 PM on 02/15/2008
- lornejl I'm a Fan of lornejl 661 fans permalink
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The terrorists have won, no doubt about that. Thanks chicken shit fraidy cat voters, you give sheep a bad name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/15/2008
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