Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

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PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he answers questions on the "Protect America Act", Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. The president said he will delay his five-nation trip to Africa if necessary to help members of the House pass a bill governing U.S. eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

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But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
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- stlrfan I'm a Fan of stlrfan 2 fans permalink

When the House comes back will Boehner cry for us again? Chimpy flies off to alienate five African nations, boy sure hope this trip is as fruitful as his Middle east jaunt. Should'nt he stay home since we are all going to die when the Listen to America act expires?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/15/2008

Anyone interested in the subject of government spying on the conversations of its citizens needs to rent the movie "The Lives of Others."

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/The_Lives_of_Others/70056425?lnkctr=srchrd-sr&strkid=846606966_1_0

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 PM on 02/15/2008
- souris I'm a Fan of souris 11 fans permalink
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...............339 DAYS 11 HOURS 22 MINUTES left of this evil, ignorant, warmongering tyrant-wannabe asshole! It can't come soon enough!!

P.S. Voting for John McCrazy would mean more of the same..............

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/15/2008
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this would be a great time for somebody at at&t to release some tapes they recorded of cheney's phone calls...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 PM on 02/15/2008
- adc I'm a Fan of adc 5 fans permalink

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

It was true when Ben Franklin said. it's true now.

This country used to possess a pioneering spirit, sense of responsibility, a great work ethic and a real distrust of government intrusion. It was the stuff that made America great! It was our foundation.

Today, the country is filled with entitlement seeking pussies who want Big Brother to keep them safe from everything; believe the government should regulate everything and want Uncle Sam to shoulder the burden of every little detail in a person's life - the details we never wanted the government involved in, to begin with.

You can't have it both ways. What Bush and certain sectors of the government are doing are simply logical extensions of the power we granted the government, when we gave our consent to the government to rule over us - not serve us.

If you want change: repeal the "New Deal" policies and entitlements. Abolish the Federal Reserve. Return to the Gold standard. Learn to take responsibility for yourself. The government doesn't owe you - you owe you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:36 PM on 02/15/2008
- msmaggie I'm a Fan of msmaggie 10 fans permalink

Protect us and protect our liberties, that's your job Bush. Know it's easier to just ignore our freedoms, but hey, no one said it's supposed to be easy.

What a complete moron this clown turned out to be. I really think he doesn't understand what his duty is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/15/2008
- Nommo I'm a Fan of Nommo 82 fans permalink
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He didn't turn out to be a moron. The only morons in this mix are the ones realizing now that he is a moron.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/15/2008

Fascist beast!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/15/2008
- shanester I'm a Fan of shanester 15 fans permalink
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Olbermann had a blistering "special comment" about this last night saying Bush is basically a fear mongering fascist. I Agree 100%

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:31 PM on 02/15/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 212 fans permalink
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Here is the link to Olbermann's Special Comment on FISA last night:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23174929#23174929

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/15/2008

Wiretapping our phone calls and reading our emails is just the beginning. Bush can then use this information to imprison us.

Under the Military Commissions Act of 2006, EVERY SINGLE U.S. CITIZEN is now a potential "enemy combatant." All Bush has to do is refer to any U.S. citizen as an "enemy combatant" and he has authorized himself to haul you off to prison, never charge you with a crime, use heresay evidence to convict you, and have his kangaroo court find you guilty. The Military Judge determines if evidence will be admissable. Evidence obtained without a search warrant is admissable, and best of all the Defense cannot see all the evidence used to determine guilt.

Bush has given himself blanket authority to be judge, jury and executioner of each and every one of us and not allow us to defend ourselves. As far as a trial transcript, "classified" information (which could be everything) is omitted.

Lynching is once again legal in the U.S.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/15/2008
- strandwolf I'm a Fan of strandwolf 6 fans permalink

Scrub this:
I want the bastard HANGED

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/15/2008
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photo coins a new term -

Bushadows - where rats do their dirty work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/15/2008
- quintus I'm a Fan of quintus 12 fans permalink

Definition of Bushadow: when the dark side of a leader's persona rules the country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/15/2008

A close friend of mine was working in Dubai a few weeks ago. He's English. While he was there Bush came to visit. Everyone in Dubai was advised to stay home, and everyone received the day off from work. So as we see on TV and in the media our leader visiting countries and areas we feel could be dangerous, but he galavants around reassuring us we should be safe, just know he's changed the entire system of the city for his one day arrival. And of course they are surprise visits. He'd get whacked if the weren't.

www.purplestates.tv

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 02/15/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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They should change to decaf over at huffytoons.

The moderators seem a little over anxious these days.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:19 PM on 02/15/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

Decaf should be illegal or you should get a warrant to drink it. Or are you for illegally drinking decaf?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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I agree. There should be unlimited beatings handed out to anyone caught drinking decaf.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 02/15/2008

Why does LHI Bushemada feel the need to meet with only with the people who beg to let them kiss his ass? He needs to meet with the people who refuse to kiss his ass. Unless he's planning on arming his people to take out the others who won't cooperate, what's the point? Do they just get together and whine and complain about those nasty Democrats? Or are they planning a coup de'etat? John Boner's comment "The Democratic leaders ought to be held accountable for their inaction," sounds like an implicit threat to me. If the attack comes, the Democrats go to the concentration camps that KBR has long since built in the heartland auf das Vaterland!

And does anyone remember that LHI Bushemada said he doesn't need to use FISA anyway? He bypassed it at least 30 times that we know of (which carries a maximum sentence of 150 years if convicted), so why not bypass it now? We are being made to believe that the entire system will grind to a halt if this idiotic "revisionist" FISA bill isn't passed. When LHI Bushemada was caught with his hands in the cookie jar, it was, I don't need to ask permission, or follow the law, but now, it's I can't do anything unless the Congress says so, and we MUST follow the law. WHAT A FUCKING CROCK!!! What a lying sack.

And not passing this bill doesn't do anything to slow the intelligence community down. If an attack does occur during this time, LHI Bushemada will blame the Democrats, when in fact if it occurs, it is, as it was in 2001, his responsibility...not that he knows what that word means or even implies. It's all politics, and it appears that the Republicans are positioning themselves for the final blow, which may well allow them to overthrow the country...which has been the dearest dream of the Bushemada family ever since Prescott's failed coup attempt against FDR in 1933.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/240707fascistcoup.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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If not passed it continues on for 1 year... It doesn't expire. Bush is a cocksucking asshole with delusions of adaquecyy. I hope Air Force 1 crashes into the Atlantic.

Now, having written that I'm sure the NSA is reading it right now and it's going into my FBI file and on Rove's "Enemies List". How does that make you troll republiclowns feel?? You can't talk dirty with your sister without the NSA and Bushie hearing every word.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/15/2008
- Pepper14 I'm a Fan of Pepper14 2 fans permalink

Dems better hope and pray that nothing happens because the least little thing will be blamed on them. They set themselves up for a big fall if they don't pass this bill. I read where they will pass it in the end but just wanted to huff and puff for a little while. With the Senate passing the bill by such a large margin it makes the dems in the house look pretty bad.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 02/15/2008

Who cares what the mental midget says? I say Bush has put Americans in danger.

Besides, this whole thing about "eavesdropping for security" is a red herring. The eavesdropping circumventing FISA started BEFORE 9-11, not to mention that international electronic spying networks, like ECHELON, based on "trigger word" monitoring, have been in place and operating in clever circumvention of the law for decades (the "bounceback" system).

Bush doesn't need this surveillance program which isn't as good as what he's already got under USA/UK/AU/NZ secret intelligence cooperation agreements. This is about getting Congress to officially acquiesce in putting another brick and some mortar onto the foundations of the Unitary Executive.

I can't really understand how there can be NO Republican opposition to this transparent imbecile's plan. Are there absolutely no Republicans with any sense of civic duty and a remaining shred of respect for the Constitution?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008
- quintus I'm a Fan of quintus 12 fans permalink

It's actually more about fascism. We're slowly losing our democracy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:57 PM on 02/15/2008

I read that one Democrat voted for immunity and three Republicans voted against. No surprise...one of the Republicans was presidential candidate Dr. Ron Paul. If you love freedom; vote Ron Paul.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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Republicans are all about control. They don't trust honest and intuitive people. Anything that doesn't make immediate sense is a threat to them.

My thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 02/15/2008
- mcnary I'm a Fan of mcnary 2 fans permalink
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Does the public know 5% of whats really going on.
You are exactly right,The first minute they had the means to spy on the public they spied. Do you really think they give a shit if its legal...man thats a hoot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 PM on 02/15/2008

We wouldn't need to bother with any of this BS if we just stopped thinking it's our "DESTINY" to RULE THE WORLD.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 121 fans permalink

Hit the Easy Button. Remove Bush and Cheney now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:17 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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The button doesn't say "easy" on it, it says "launch weapon"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 PM on 02/15/2008
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The Indians didn't think it was their destiny to rule America. Guess what, they lost to us.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/15/2008

We wouldn't need to bother with any of this BS if we just stopped thinking it's our "DESTINY" to RULE THE WORLD.
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It IS our destiny to rule the world! Our president got this directly from God, and God would not lie to George Bush.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:31 PM on 02/15/2008
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