Bush Says Congress Putting US in Danger

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PAMELA HESS | February 15, 2008 05:43 PM EST | AP

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President Bush pauses as he answers questions on the "Protect America Act", Thursday, Feb. 14, 2008, on the South Lawn of the White House in Washington. The president said he will delay his five-nation trip to Africa if necessary to help members of the House pass a bill governing U.S. eavesdropping on phone calls and e-mails of suspected terrorists. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an attack" because of Congress' failure to adopt a Senate bill that would have renewed a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States.

That bill also would have shielded from lawsuits telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks without clearance from a secret court that was established specifically to oversee such activities. In its competing version of the legislation, the House intentionally left out that feature.

"American citizens must understand, clearly understand that there's still a threat on the homeland. There's still an enemy which would like to do us harm," Bush said. "We've got to give our professionals the tools they need, to be able to figure out what the enemy is up to so we can stop it."

"By blocking this piece of legislation, our country is more in danger of an attack," he said.

Democrats, in turn, accused Bush of fear-mongering and misrepresenting the facts.

"This is not about protecting Americans. The president just wants to protect American telephone companies," Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, head of the House Democratic Caucus, said Friday.

Beyond the rhetoric, the central issue is what the government can and can't do come midnight Saturday, when a temporary eavesdropping law adopted by Congress last August expires.

That law let the government initiate wiretaps for up to one year against a wide range of targets. It also explicitly compelled telecommunications companies to comply with the orders, and protected them from civil lawsuits that may be filed against them for doing so.

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But while the wiretaps can go on after the law expires, the compliance orders and the liability protections disappear. That's because of a quirk in the way the law was written, says Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell.

"There is no longer a way to compel the private sector to help us," he said in an Associated Press interview.

Democrats dispute that assertion. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said that even when the law expires, existing wiretapping orders would continue to protect telecom companies.

Regardless of who's right about that point, the government can eavesdrop after the law expires. It would simply have to go back to its old procedures, getting orders approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

McConnell rejects that option. He says the process of getting court orders is cumbersome and ties intelligence agents up in red tape.

The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires the court to approve wiretaps inside the United States, a process meant to protect U.S. citizens from potential government abuses of authority. But changes in technology since then mean most of the world's computer and phone traffic passes through the United States, much of it on fiber-optic cable. Successive court cases say court orders are needed to listen in on any of them, McConnell said.

To get a court order, intelligence agents have to prove they have "probable cause" to believe a target is a foreign agent or terrorist before being allowed to tap a line inside the United States, even if the communication originates and ends in a foreign country.

It is difficult for intelligence agents piecing together shreds of information to get enough to merit probable cause, McConnell said. By the time they can amass enough information to do that, the phone number they wanted to track might already be obsolete, he said.

"More than likely we would miss the very information we need to prevent some horrendous act from taking place in the United States," he said.

The FISA law does make provisions for emergencies _ instances where there is no time to fill out the paperwork. Within a few days, though, the paperwork must be completed and probable cause must be proved to get an order approved.

House Democrats had sought to extend the current law temporarily to buy time to work out a longer-term compromise. The White House objected, and the attempt failed as Republicans were joined by conservative Democrats to defeat the move. McConnell acknowledged that the administration's opposition was intended to pressure Congress to do what Bush wants.

McConnell says an extension would fail to address a central problem: delaying legal immunity for companies that help in the warrantless wiretapping program could lead phone companies to challenge wiretapping orders in court as a way to insulate themselves from future lawsuits.

Already, he says the roughly 40 lawsuits filed against telecom companies nationwide have chilled the private sector's willingness to help the intelligence agencies in ways unrelated to electronic surveillance. Exactly how is classified, and he won't elaborate.

"I'm talking about the things they've done to help us track terrorists," said McConnell. "They did lawful things at the request of the government under the conditions they've done it for 50 years."

But that help has waned over the last two years, he said. "Your country is at risk if we can't get the private sector to help us, and that is atrophying all the time," he said.

Lawmakers left town Thursday for a 12-day recess but both sides are working behind the scenes. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney met with Republican congressional leaders in the Oval Office to discuss the impasse with the Democratic-led House. House and Senate Democratic leaders met in Hoyer's office to hammer out plans for a conference in which Republicans will be asked to join, Hoyer said. Republicans say they won't participate.

WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
WASHINGTON — With a government eavesdropping law about to expire, Washington is awash in accusations over who's to blame. President Bush said Friday that "our country is in more danger of an att...
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- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

We know the chicken hawks will jump when bush boy cries wolf.

The question is whether normal Americans have learned.

"There's a saying in Texas. Fool me once..."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

Nothing like Texas fool...heh­,heh.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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Everything is bigger in Texas; especially the idiots and assholes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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Texas Tool.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 02/15/2008
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lol

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/15/2008

Congress IS putting the US in danger, but only because they haven't impeached your sorry ass, yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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hehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:04 PM on 02/15/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

Since I'm convinced there's a Neo-Con listening to my every conversation - I've taken to ending all phone calls with - KISS MY ASS YOU TOTALITARIAN SON OF A BITCH! My friends are worrried about me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/15/2008
- incontempt I'm a Fan of incontempt 2 fans permalink

LOL I say "f**k georgie" everytime hehe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- batgirlevi I'm a Fan of batgirlevi 9 fans permalink

LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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I agree JoJo. I like to end my calls with

"George Bush is a cocksucker"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/15/2008

I've taken to ending all phone calls with - KISS MY ASS YOU TOTALITARIAN SON OF A BITCH! My friends are worrried about me.
__________­__________­__________­__________­_____

Jesus, you'd make a great telemarketer :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 02/15/2008
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 61 fans permalink

Let's put it this way, conservatives:

Do you, a political wing that's always going on about how you can only do what the Constitution explicitly, really want the Democrats to have the ability to read your mail and listen to your phone conversations under the guise of National Security, and then have you thrown into some jail cell without trial for an extended amount of time and subject you to "enhanced interrogation" just like you were afraid Bill Clinton was going to do throughout the '90s?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/15/2008

They never see the repercussions of their actions!

That's what makes them so much fun ... Rove has already destroyed McCain for us!

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/15/2008
- OlongapoEd I'm a Fan of OlongapoEd 36 fans permalink

Never underestimate the willingness of those on the right to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008

If this spying authority does somehow manage to stay in effect under Bush, you can bet your last dollar the Republicons will scream bloody murder that it's illegal once a Democrat becomes president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/15/2008

I know that's right...!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008
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at this point - i don't think there's much difference in agendas at that level of politics.

they're all elites - all playing the big game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/15/2008

you are making an amazing leap,how many american citizens have been jailed in the past 7 years based on national security eavesdropping???the answer is NONE,other than the easy liberal answer of the slippery slope,there has been no evidence of any law abiding american citizen being affected by the listening to phone conversations.if there were they would have been front and center yesterday,

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/15/2008
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then why is it important to bypass warrants?

why so quick to give it all up to the "higher authority"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/15/2008
- BlackJAC I'm a Fan of BlackJAC 61 fans permalink

There was no hard evidence that Saddam Hussein had a functional nuclear weapons program or al-Qaeda on the payroll, apart from the easy conservative answer of the slippery slope towards Global Caliphate and the criminalization of Christianity, capitalism, and heterosexuality, either; what's your point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 02/15/2008
- GarsLuber I'm a Fan of GarsLuber 12 fans permalink

I was by sheer luck that after the republicans walked out on the Democrats 'political sideshow' that there happen to be a microphone and camera on the Capitol steps.

I've visited Congress on several occasions, and never have I seen a mic and camera on the steps. That sure was lucky for them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/15/2008
- Superbus I'm a Fan of Superbus 27 fans permalink
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Electronics are the Republicans best friends.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

I've noticed how Bush doesn't exactly know what a computer is or how The Internets work. Poor fella.

Ted Stevens does, though. He says it's a series of tubes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 02/15/2008

Gee, were you ever there when a bill of this nature was being considered?

I love the false logic of personal anecdotes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/15/2008

Not unlike knowing the weapons of mass destruction were in Iraq. Knowing puts you at the scene of the crime; as vendor?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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And in the same breath Boner accused the dems of "Grandstanding", then walked out in procession to a podium... What a fucking douche bag that guy is. I hope he has a heart-attack this weekend.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/15/2008

W is a legend in his own mind.

They should use that light/shadows photograph as the basis of his presidential portrait.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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It is so creepy and perfect for that...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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you know what's messed up? I heard a part of a McCain speech and he talked about the last great hope for Earth. I swear to God, his speech writer's are cribbing from Babylon 5.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/15/2008
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Why can we not create a more peaceful and tolerant society?

What the hell is so difficult about that simple task?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/15/2008
- Nochnoi I'm a Fan of Nochnoi 130 fans permalink
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It goes against the Republican family values that include war, torture, and deviant behavior..­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

...the usual after-church topics of conversation at the Waffle House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/15/2008
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no profit motive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/15/2008
- fumes I'm a Fan of fumes 78 fans permalink
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softball! caring is not cost effective.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- BronxBorn I'm a Fan of BronxBorn 50 fans permalink
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25 to 30% of us are hardwired to be complete dickheads.
And so begs the question. How did the dickheads get in charge?
I don't know.

A Corporate free press might help.
But I digress and dream :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- TLV I'm a Fan of TLV 119 fans permalink

Dick-heads voted for them and dick-heads programmed the voting machines to vote for them. In the states that still had punch-cards, dick-heads threatened voters, threw out new registrations, called rural voters and told them to show up on Wednesday, and dick-heads purged those who had already paid their dues and were now eligible to vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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Dickheads are more driven than normal people to control the world around them. Personally, I'd like to see Dickhead Syndrome in the DSM. I think it's called the DSM. They put harmless transgendered people in it, but not dickheads.

Probably shrinks don't think they could get dickheads to spend any money on addressing their disorder. Dickheads are not into self improvment except when it comes to their "safety" and their wallets..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:18 PM on 02/15/2008
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Okay it's about me me me me me me me that pretty much explains it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/15/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 55 fans permalink

Will Willard Mitt Romney run as a Republican, Democrat, or Independent in 2012?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 02/15/2008

The repug party wont be around then.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/15/2008
- Gordon I'm a Fan of Gordon 28 fans permalink
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many thought that about the democrats in 1994. the gop will be lost for about 4 to 8 years.

wanna take me up on that bet I proposed a few weeks back? that the dem candidate will only win by 5 percentage points or less in nov?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/15/2008
- robotfog I'm a Fan of robotfog 23 fans permalink
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it will be replaced by a pile of devolved slug-like creatures. All with faces that look like a butt.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/15/2008
- FiddleDD2 I'm a Fan of FiddleDD2 10 fans permalink

All three...Re­pubocraten­t

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/15/2008
- Beelzebul I'm a Fan of Beelzebul 55 fans permalink

You are correct, sir. All three. Leave nothing to chance the second time around.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 02/15/2008

without FISA court oversight, the unitary executive gets to electronically spy on its political opponents, the Democrats, and the telecoms get blank checks for their "services.­"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/15/2008
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Don't forget Bush Co people are businessmen.

Imagine theespionage going on as they give their big business supporters a free pass to eavesdrop on their competitors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/15/2008

The European Parliament conducted an investigation into American use of electronic monitoring under security pretenses to effectively pass on commercial intelligence to US firms. As a result, the UK was censured for their complicity, and Germany enacted strict encryption laws for German Corporations in certain industries.

The report on ECHELON is available online.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:29 PM on 02/15/2008

It's simple. History shows us that the more power you place in the the hands of one person, the more that power will be abused. If not be leader A then by leader B. It is inevitable. This is not necessarily something that one political party is more guilty of than another. It's just that power tends to corrupt.

That is why the Founders installed a system of checks and balances. If this president (or any other) can override the vote of congress with signing statements, or usurp what is supposed to be the power of the courts, then he is by definition a dictator. The fact that there may be "worse" tyrants in the world is not the issue. The issue is that we have a constitution that the president swore to uphold, that all public officials swear to uphold.

I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said: "those who would trade their freedom for the sake of security deserve neither freedom nor security."

Not sure, it may have been Jefferson, but either way the message is clear, and these words speak to us regardless of the times or the changing nature of our enemies.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/15/2008
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Sunday, 16 September, 2001, 17:23 GMT 18:23 UK

Giuliani holds on to hope

BBC News

"Rescue workers sifting through the tons of rubble earlier discovered a passport belonging to one of the suspected hijackers a few blocks from where the World Trade Center's twin towers once stood.

New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said investigators would probably be unable to identify the hijackers, because there were unlikely to be enough of their remains left to test."

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you folks aren't still buying that ridiculous explanation of what happened on 9/11, are you? it's been over six years now. surely the truth of the situation has sunk in by now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/15/2008
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"you folks aren't still buying that ridiculous explanation of what happened on 9/11, are you?"

Of course not. There is a documentary out about what really happened. "Cloverdale"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:32 PM on 02/15/2008

Worst. President. EVER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/15/2008

By far!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/15/2008
- JoJoKewl I'm a Fan of JoJoKewl 32 fans permalink

Superbus (See profile | I'm a fan of Superbus)
Leftists believe that private citizens should not have the right to protect themselves and that terrorists have the constitutional right not to be eavesdropped on, even when they are overseas talking to each other.

First nomination for dumbest post of the day. I bet Vogie the Think Tank Lizard tops it tho.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/15/2008

No you've been holding that position all morning, I don't think anyone can catch up now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 02/15/2008
- LaFeminazi I'm a Fan of LaFeminazi 236 fans permalink
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Oh, if you want to see some dumb posts, just pop over to the Tweety thread.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 02/15/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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I get my daily laughs from these idiots. I've been missing Tonyadluv though. She was really accomplished at posting the most ignorant and heinous things possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 PM on 02/15/2008
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Will Americans ever stand up to The Beast and end it?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/15/2008

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The picture says everything ... look at his eyes each going in different direction!

He has finally reached the pinnacle of his capability ...

Flat out fucking crazy with the look to match!

Wooo wooo

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/15/2008
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