Christine Pelosi: Superdelegates Should Not Overturn Majority Dem. Vote

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First Posted: 02-15-08 12:10 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM

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Christine Pelosi, daughter of the Speaker and (more notably at the moment) a superdelegate, warns of a massive disillusionment of voters should Democratic Party officials back a presidential nominee that didn't win the pledged delegate vote.

"Many of us are elected by the grassroots of the party," she said, "And I cannot imagine going home in November to those people and try to phone bank for someone who did not capture the [pledged delegate] vote... We were all galvanized by what happened to Al Gore in Florida."

Pelosi, who has been a DNC member since 1996 and recently authored the book "Campaign Boot Camp," acknowledged being petitioned heavily from campaign surrogates but declined to say whom she would support. She did, however, list different attributes upon which her superdelegate vote will be based: "Who is building a base of volunteers, who is bringing the party together - the best indicators of future performance."

In her interview with the Huffington Post, she spoke freely and at length about some of the challenges facing the 796 superdelegates as the presidential nomination seemingly falls into their laps. What, for instance, should the party do about the primary elections in Michigan and Florida, which did not, according to DNC rules, carry any delegates, but which the victorious Hillary Clinton campaign is hoping to have counted?

"Of course they should be involved. I can't imagine a scenario personally where they are not. The question is how?" said Pelosi. She then playfully suggested a novel idea: splitting the state's delegates 50/50 to Obama and Clinton. It would, she argued, allow for representation from each state while not changing the dynamics of the race in one candidate's favor. Of course, she added, "Ideally we sit back and let the process do its will and by the time you get to June it won't matter."

In a separate interview Friday with Bloomberg TV, Christine's mother, Nancy Pelosi, went a step further, arguing that the Florida and Michigan primaries shouldn't decide the party's nomination. "I don't think that any states that operated outside the rules of the party can be dispositive of who the nominee is,'' Pelosi told Al Hunt. She also addressed the power wielded by the super-delegates, dismissing concerns that they vote against the will of the majority of Democratic voters.

"It's not just following the returns; it's also having a respect for what has been said by the people,'' she said. It would be "a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided."

Reflecting her mother's remarks, Christine Pelosi also sought to debunk the perception that super delegates were just cigar smoking -- "my mother won't allow that" -- backroom dealing, political bigwigs willing to trade their votes at the Democratic National Convention for patronage.

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"We are paying attention," she said, "What we are supposed to do is enhance the process not step on it."

As evidence, the Speaker's daughter riffed on a variety of political and campaign topics. Pelosi showed little patience for the most recent line of attack by the Clinton campaign, which has accused Obama of ducking debates in Wisconsin.

"It is always sort of a stunt when you call for a debate," she said. "If they really wanted a debate you know, Howard [Wolfson] has David [Axelrod]'s phone number. They could arrange this if they really wanted to... This silly fight over a debate or a snub or this or that is really dumb."

But her most critical words were saved for the Republican side of the political aisle.

"John McCain is George Bush's third term," she said of the GOP frontrunner, "and I just don't believe the American people want to elect George Bush for a third term."

As for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's decision to stay in the race against the most unlikely of odds: "Can't Fox give him a talk show or something?"

Mostly, however, Pelosi offered a cautiously optimistic outlook for the Democrats in 2008. There is a historic nature to the election, she posited, a chance to bring and secure a new generation of voters in the political process. And absent a major screw-up, Democrats could ride that wave to long-term victories.

"I think that if we can capture and hold the enthusiasm of the 20 million Americans who have come out to vote so far," Pelosi said, "and the millions more who will by the time our nomination process if over, if we can keep those people organized and energized we will win."

Christine Pelosi, daughter of the Speaker and (more notably at the moment) a superdelegate, warns of a massive disillusionment of voters should Democratic Party officials back a presidential nominee t...
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- mcnairbo I'm a Fan of mcnairbo 8 fans permalink

Their names where all on the ballots in Florida douche bag. Get off this website and crack a newspaper sometime.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:17 PM on 02/15/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 497 fans permalink
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A lot of people in FL stayed home because the news media kept broadcasting that their votes wouldn't count. There's no way counting FL and MI is fair considering the rules and the response to the rules. I think voters should be heard. There should be a re-vote for both states.

A lot of people don't even think there should be a re-vote (I disagree). Everyone agreed to the rules beforehand. That's just the way it is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:24 PM on 02/15/2008
- beartrap I'm a Fan of beartrap 2 fans permalink

I heard that 1.7 million Democrats voted in FL. True many voted because of a property tax issue, but that is a lot of votes, if it were true that they were told the votes didn't count. Why should Democrats in FL be without a voice because their state party bucked the system? This election is going to be won on who gets FL and Ohio. Might be a good idea to pay attention to indications of which of the candidates those states prefer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:10 PM on 02/15/2008
- Jellybelly I'm a Fan of Jellybelly 5 fans permalink

Texas Dem Primary:
Clinton 54%
Obama 38%

Taken from Rasumussen Reports 2/15/08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:16 PM on 02/15/2008
- Sisyphuss I'm a Fan of Sisyphuss 13 fans permalink

On the other hand, an ARG poll (American Research Group) has Obama ahead by 6% in Texas.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/15/todays-poll-shock-obama-up-6-in-texas/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 02/15/2008

So what? It's a RED RED RED state.

Better to study Ohio.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:19 PM on 02/15/2008
- mslindab I'm a Fan of mslindab 6 fans permalink

Remember those numbers. They will never be that high again and by 3/5 the Clintons will be saying they were never expected to win Texas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:17 PM on 02/15/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

Screw Untity....­...We Will Never Vote for the Clintons Again.

Hello - I'm Horace Kent,.... & I approve this Article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-sturdy-beggars/screw-unitywe-will-nev_b_86813.html

Great Luck!
~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:12 PM on 02/15/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

******** OBAMA SUPPORTERS PISS ME OFF:

Hello - I'm Horace Kent,.... & I approve this message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rki8AbYAPaQ

Great Luck!
~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 02/15/2008

Her mother also represents the state of California, which voted the majority FOR Hillary Clinton.

This kind of thing really sucks...wh­o are these people anyway, a good question, how did she get to be a super delegate?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/15/2008
- CellarDoor I'm a Fan of CellarDoor 11 fans permalink

If I'm not mistaken, Bill Clinton is a superdelegate. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:15 PM on 02/15/2008

Wonder how he'd vote in a secret ballot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:20 PM on 02/15/2008
- jojojo I'm a Fan of jojojo 9 fans permalink

The Super-Ds, as i understand it, were created in 1982 to count for 20% of the delegate count, bringing to the nomination influence not only a relatively small number of voters who might vote only based on their narrow, local, personal issues, but to add to the mix some votes from party members who would take a broader " big-umbrella" view of the party, the nation, the candidates, and the election. I may not have it just right, nor do I necessarily agree completely, but that's my understanding of the genesis of the super-delegates.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:18 PM on 02/15/2008

If I might add, per wiki...

The genesis was the raucus Demo convention of 1968 (too much populism for the old guard), though the mechanism wasn't invented until 1982, after a party-shak­ing...

Big showdown in 1980 with Ted Kennedy challenging incumbent Carter, who survived the challenge and went on to get clobbered by Reagan in the electoral college, but with only 50.7% of the popular vote. (Some mandate, eh?)

And then, first time up, Superdelegates gave us Mondale over Hart in 1984. In fairness, by the convention, Mondale had a slight delegate lead, but NOT a majority of the total. (Not sure the popular split.) The SuperD's COULD have given it to Hart. Note that Mondale's insider and financial advantages were huge.

Would Hart have been able to beat incumbent Reagan? Who knows. The SuperD's implicitly thought not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:38 PM on 02/15/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 10 fans permalink
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With all due respect to Miss Pelosi, the very fact that she IS a superdelegate illustrates how screwy and un-democratic this system is. Her mother, at least, was elected to something, so her extra 10,00 or so votes in the delegate race is understandable, if not acceptable. But her daughter? I'm sure she's a nice young lady, but this not only stinks of rank nepotism, it IS rank nepotism. In an election where a major issue is the existence of DYNASTIC tendencies in the Democratic party, the appointment -- not election, appointment -- of sons and daughters to positions of great power and authority cannot be tolerated.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 02/15/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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I think she said she actually ran to be elected as a superdelegate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:57 PM on 02/15/2008

who are these people ?
who are these people ? are you so dense as to expouse opinion on people that work their whole lives , generations of lives for the democratic party and democratic principles
we don't rejoice in abortion but Christ said 'judge not lest thy be judged' ,the poor ,the poor , and the poor ...
democrats like nancy pelosi and her family like clintons family and carters family work to get a little justice from those that would deny you that justice,and if the party of lincoln decides it wants to make too much money off the sweat of your labor then sell you crap and pollute the water and sky , then ,well ,guess who's there to fight for somebody that's got problems.
we'd all be sucking in coal like eighteenth century london while the wealthy skid in the alps.eatin­g and drinking well
well if you like unions that gave us ALL a standard of living and medical, and every last freedom you have today
thank a democratic member of congress or a democratic senator ormaybe just maybe , if you all figure it out ,that we're in a two party system ,that one is for the rich ,and one...


VOTE DEMOCRAT BABY !

p.s.
sniping with the vulgarity only
makes you sound less informed and therefore
an idiot when it comes to " expousing "
i suggest you get involved locally first
then soon you'll be smarter than every last one of those corporate hacks on the boob-tube
that we're stuck with now

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:01 PM on 02/15/2008
- DRaymond I'm a Fan of DRaymond 66 fans permalink
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Everybody is harping on the superdelegates when they haven't done anything yet.

Some people want the superdelegates to simply rubber stamp. But honestly the superdelegates can do something more valuable.

Unlike a great many primary voters the superdelegates will know that McCain is the Republican nominee. They will also know which states will likely be the swing states this year.

Would it really be all that evil if the superdelegates, instead of rubber-stamping, asked 'who has the better chance of beating McCain in the swing states?'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:48 PM on 02/15/2008
- AnninCA I'm a Fan of AnninCA 54 fans permalink

That is the ideal. The truth? Obama spent 4 times the money on superdelegates than Clinton.

Buying people is more than a little possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:30 PM on 02/15/2008
- suntzu I'm a Fan of suntzu 16 fans permalink
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If that were the case they would vote for Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:59 PM on 02/15/2008

Very good Democrats and very good patriots, the Pelosi Women... they represent the people-- they are not into preconceived deals-

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:44 PM on 02/15/2008

impeachment if off the table

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 02/15/2008

It is so fun to see the Obama campaign suddenly so concerned about super delegates even before the primaries are over. Come on we will see what happens when it happens, but for now why not just focus on the primaries and pledged delegates. Stop thinking about super delegates they have the right to vote as their will as per the law, so do not change the law during the game.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 PM on 02/15/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 10 fans permalink
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The fact that they are addressing the problem now, and not when it becomes a crisis, simply illustrates how much better the Obama campaign has been run than the Clinton campaign, which somehow managed to squander $120 million and a 30-50 point lead. That, and the fact that Hillary's surrogates have already stated that they WILL attempt to take the nomination through superdelagates, even if they are behind the pleadged delegate count at the end of the primary season, requires that Obamans confront the issue now, before it becomes a problem.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:07 PM on 02/15/2008
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uh it's hillary who brought up the superDs after her losses last weekend and she won't let it go!!!

obama has only responded to the superD questions when asked by reporters.­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:09 PM on 02/15/2008

More Reasons Not To Vote for Hillary:
1. NAFTA (Bill was all over it, she can't possibly want to talk about it)-NAFTA completely screwed the unions and most hourly workers.
2. Universal Health Care (We might have had half a chance of having this, IF she would have kept her nose out of this when William was president)- you see, universal healthcare would be something for the PRESIDENT to tackle, not the first lady, not an unelected, unofficial person- even one as power nuts and pushy as this one.
3. Whitewater -if you think the Repugnicans won't roll out the "witnesses", the allegations, the trials and tribulations of Whitewater again- whether anything happened or not, guess again. It'll make Swift Boat look like a freakin float trip.
4. Vince Foster- found dead of apparent suicide in a national park. The self abusers and nut jobs swear that Bill and Hill had him murdered. You'll bring these crazies out in force--again.
5. "Stand by your man"- little Ms. Big Mouth, never missing an opportunity to slam a faction she dislikes (I suppose in this case it would be all women who chose not to work, and remain at home) "I guess I could have just stayed home and made cookies"- yeah, Big Mouth, that was well-thought out. You betcha. You go on 60 minutes to try and salvage the poliitical career of Mr. Can't Keep It In His Pants and make matters much worse by insulting millions of stay at home moms.
6, 7, 8. Monica, Gennifer, Paula-- Back then, the campaign actually called them "Bimbo Eruptions"- they kept popping up, another woman claiming to have done the nasty with Bill. And, of course, back then, Bill could reasonably deny it. I mean come on. Bill cut a wide swath in this category. He completely blew any chance Al Gore had by not keeping his johnson in his pants. Had we known what a real shit bird Bill was back then, well, we wouldnt be in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:39 PM on 02/15/2008
- mcnairbo I'm a Fan of mcnairbo 8 fans permalink

Unless of course if Hillary takes the lead again, then it's okay to go against the majority. Oh, and we shouldn't count those two dumb ol' states that voted for Hillary. That's a good rule whereas this other one is bad cuz like Obama needs those Super delegates and stuff.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 PM on 02/15/2008
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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So, if Obama got 26 of the smallest States, with the least amount of people and delegates, and Hillary got only 24 States with the greatest populations and Delegates.­... Ummmmm, is it still Majority of States won rules?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:22 PM on 02/15/2008

Sorry, that should have been one MILLION and a half+ voters disenfranchised.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:32 PM on 02/15/2008

It Is and always will be that the Obama voters are crying foul because the people in Florida actually want their votes counted, The threat by the Democratic Party was STUPID. The voters in Florida had ABSOLUTELY no say in moving the primary. But you Obama supporters are more than willing to have these one and a half+ voters disenfranchised so your man can win. If Obama were(subjunctive because he didn't) you would be the first to cry FOUL!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:31 PM on 02/15/2008
- AdLib I'm a Fan of AdLib 277 fans permalink
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If Hillary stands for winning at any cost, at the cost of her ethics to keep her agreements and the cost of majority rule democracy, there is no true victory she can win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:34 PM on 02/15/2008

If you want to scream at someone responsible for this situation, contact your State Democrat Party. If they hadn't moved up their primary, after the DNC told them what would happen, we wouldn't have this problem.

Either push for a Florida caucus, or the 50-50 split. Just let your local Dems know how you feel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:38 PM on 02/15/2008
- ched I'm a Fan of ched 10 fans permalink
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This one's EASY. Re-do Michigan and Florida. Count all the votes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 02/15/2008
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curious.. do you think hillary would have started pushing for the fl and mi vote if she lost them?

that's what i thought..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:11 PM on 02/15/2008
- Moshe I'm a Fan of Moshe 210 fans permalink
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Nancy overturned not only the will of the People, but the mandates of our Constitution, when she unilaterally declared that she was taking "impeachment off the table."

She swore an oath to uphold our Constitution as a condition of holding her public office.

Impeachment is part of our Constitution, and she has no unilateral authority to amend our Constitution or refuse to do her constitutional duty.

Nancy should have resigned if she did not intend to enforce our Constitution as she swore an oath to do, against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

There have been dozens of impeachable offenses committed by Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, and others.

Nancy, you failed us, and you failed your Nation.

You should resign, not continue to pretend to be our Speaker and remain on the public payroll.

If you are not going to do your job, please go home.

Attend the DEM convention if that makes you happy, but otherwise, step up, do your duty, or go home.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:25 PM on 02/15/2008
- cadawa I'm a Fan of cadawa 21 fans permalink
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When was the last time the Democrats did what they promised? 1999? Farther back?
Don't believe Nancy and don't believe her daughter. The self destructive Democratic leadership want Clinton to run so badly they are wetting their pants. Nancy is their girl.
After all, it's the best chance they have of losing another election to another crazy man.
McCain is a prime example of the neglect of veterans mental health. The time he spent in that cage in Viet Nam is showing up in his politics. He has no self respect and a lot of anger. Whatever moral structure he may have had has been utterly destroyed.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:23 PM on 02/15/2008
- Wanjiru I'm a Fan of Wanjiru 13 fans permalink
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...would someone please explain to me the whole "delegates­/superdele­gates" concept; what it means, how it works and how someone becomes a delegate/s­uperdelega­te?

Thanks...

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:19 PM on 02/15/2008
- LarBear I'm a Fan of LarBear 30 fans permalink
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Theoretically, Super Delegates are Loyal Democrats who want that is which is best (In their opinion) for the Democrats.­..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:28 PM on 02/15/2008
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