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Bush Calls Lawmakers 'Irresponsible'

TERENCE HUNT | February 16, 2008 03:55 PM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Bush said Saturday that lawmakers' failure to renew an eavesdropping law will make it more difficult to track terrorists and "we may lose a vital lead that could prevent an attack on America."

Democrats faulted the president, who taped his weekly radio address before he left on a trip in Africa, for "whipping up false fears and creating artificial confrontation."

"Their true concern here is not national security," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said in a statement. "Rather they want to protect the financial interests of telecommunications companies and avoid judicial scrutiny of their warrantless wiretapping program."

At issue is a law that made it easier for the government to spy on foreign phone calls and e-mails that pass through the United States. The expiration time: midnight Saturday.

The president wanted the House to approve a Senate bill that would have renewed the law. Bush opposed a temporary extension; lawmakers left for a 12-day recess without extending the law. The Senate measure included legal protections for telecommunications companies that helped the government wiretap U.S. computer and phone lines after the Sept. 11 attacks without clearance from a secret court that oversees such activities.

"Some congressional leaders claim that this will not affect our security," the president said. "They are wrong. Because Congress failed to act, it will be harder for our government to keep you safe from terrorist attack.

"At midnight, the attorney general and the director of national intelligence will be stripped of their power to authorize new surveillance against terrorist threats abroad. This means that as terrorists change their tactics to avoid our surveillance, we may not have the tools we need to continue tracking them _ and we may lose a vital lead that could prevent an attack on America," Bush said.

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a former U.S. attorney and attorney general of Rhode Island, spoke for Democrats in the party's radio response.

"We know this president dislikes compromise, but this time he has taken his stubborn approach too far," Whitehouse said. "He is whipping up false fears, and creating artificial confrontation. As the president himself said in the Rose Garden, 'There is really no excuse for letting this critical legislation expire. So let's get it done.'

"But the president instead chose political gamesmanship, rejecting a short extension of the Protect America Act that would allow Congress to complete its work," Whitehouse said. "Make no mistake: If the surveillance law expires, if any intelligence loss results, it is President Bush's choice. Period."

Bush's national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, told reporters traveling with the president in Africa there was little the government could do to compensate for what it considered to be lesser protections against terrorist attacks.

"We're making all the time every effort we can on intelligence, and when one of your important tools is taken away from you for a period of time, it's hard to compensate for it," he said. "That's why we call it a 'gap in intelligence.' Gaps are hard to fill."

Added Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky.: "At midnight, the country will be more at risk than it is today. And that risk will increase each day we don't have a solution to this problem."

White House officials seethed over the fact that the House, rather than passing the eavesdropping bill, approved contempt citations against two Bush confidants, chief of staff Joshua Bolten and former counsel Harriet Miers, over their refusal to cooperate with an investigation into the firings of U.S. attorneys.

"House leaders chose politics over protecting the country _ and our country is at greater risk as a result," Bush said.

"My administration will take every step within our power to minimize the damage caused by the House's irresponsible behavior," he said. "Yet it is still urgent that Congress act."

Reid and Pelosi responded that Democrats "will continue to work on a bipartisan basis to finalize a strong law."

"As we do, there should be no question in anyone's mind that U.S. intelligence agencies have the legal ability to take all actions necessary to protect the security of the American people," they said.

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If it's true that when this bill expires tonight then the telecomms should be sued... then let the lawsuits begin! I'd slip mine in on Monday morning, first thing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 02/16/2008
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ABC News' Bret Hovell Reports: Senator John McCain, R-Ariz., called on one of his democratic rivals for the White House, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to disclose how much money Obama has allocated in so-called earmark spending while in Congress.

"The Senator from Illinois, who says that he wants transparency in government, will not reveal the number of earmarks that he received in 2006 and 2005," McCain told a crowd of supporters Thursday in Burlington, Vermont. "Is that transparency in government? I don't think so."

Obama is not honest after all. Ah....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 02/16/2008

I have declared war on you kennedy, every time I see a post from you I will flag it and encourage others to do the same. You are scum and I am taking you down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 PM on 02/16/2008
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kennedy, there are dozens of pieces at HuffPo where your thoughts on Obama (and/or Clinton) will be welcomed. Please go there!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 02/17/2008
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The only thing that expired at midnight on Friday was the section of the FISA law that gave immunity to the telecom companies. A of midnight, they may be sued by anybody. The immunity section may be unconstitutional in that is goes against article One, Section 9 subsection "3 No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed." According to "The 'Lectric Law Library's Lexicon On Ex Post Facto Clause" "An ex post facto law is a law passed after the occurrence of an event or action which retrospectively changes the legal consequences of the event or action." My dictionary has it this way "ex post facto |ˌeks pōst ˈfaktō|
adjective & adverb
with retroactive effect or force : [as adj. ] ex post facto laws.
ORIGIN erroneous division of Latin ex postfacto ‘in the light of subsequent events.’
I rest my case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 02/16/2008

Sorry, but you rested your case a little too soon. It's not enough to just look at a law Library Definition, though that certainly is a good start.

The Constition in Article 1 Section 9, C.3 states: 'No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed,'

What that ACTUALLY means in practice has been decided by the Supreme Court (which is the final arbiter of the meaning of the words in the Constitution) as follows:

A law implicates the Ex Post Facto Clause only if it criminalizes conduct that was not a crime when it was committed, increases the punishment for a crime beyond what it was at the time the act was committed, or deprives a person of a defense available at the time the act was committed.

In other words - it prohibits making what was NOT a crime when done a crime after the fact but DOES NOT prohibit granting immunity from criminal liability for actions that WERE a crime when committed. The rational is to prevent prosecution of things done when there was no law against them. It doesn't prevent "forgiving" past actions via granting immunity from prior criminal acts.

There is no Constitutional basis for arguing the telecoms cannot be granted immunity. There ARE, however, many strong, policy, moral and ethical reasons for refusing to do so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:53 PM on 02/16/2008

Bush

You already had intelligence warning you before 9/11 that Bin Laden was going to attack and you did nothing. So, why should we believe you again, dumbass?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 02/16/2008

And, apparently, he was already having the Telecoms engage in their illegal wire tapping schemes. Kind of takes the wind out of the sails of an argument in favor of the program, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 PM on 02/16/2008
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Bush's departure from office will be an occasion of rare joy in the USA. Like VE day or VJ day, the days when World War II ended in Europe and in Japan. Or, like the day a popular president visits your town. I remember when I saw JFK when I was 10 years old. Everybody was happy. Bush, you are like dark cloud that has been over our land for 8 years. I will be glad to see the sun again.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:13 PM on 02/16/2008
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Read the letter Representative Reyes sent to Bush! This is the in-your-face strategy the Dems have been missing. I agree with a poster on another board - Reyes for Speaker of the House!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 02/16/2008

Where's rollingdivision? Wow the Telecom Corporate apologist must actually get weekends off - no comment from him yet?

But then again, it never really was a question of the effectiveness of current FISA warrant restrictions. It's ALL about the financial liability. Liability for actions taken - potentially, I will grant him that - in contravention of law (but he'd never let us find out as he wants to make sure there are NEVER any court cases to discover whether or not it happened, let alone what else the Bush Admin has been up to).

Oh. . . and for doing so BEFORE 9/11, which kind of blows the whole "in support of the (as of that time, the as yet even "declared") "War on Terrorism".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 02/16/2008
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Bush's Homeland security is about to expedite thousands of immigrants entry without background checks. Seven years later an Bush still hasn't got a clue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:39 PM on 02/16/2008
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Bush will bring his Saudi terrorists friends back unless he gets what he wants.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 02/16/2008

As FISA itself was designed to do in the wake of Watergate, unfortunately we are still struggling against the remnants of a right-wing coup d'état and its elitist provocateurs, such as Prescott Bush and others, who plotted against FDR during WWII and finally came to power in a successful coup d'état against a Kennedy led progressive democracy that threatened to limit the power of the Military Industrial Complex and its financial backers. Watergate was Nixon’s paranoid mistake to discover how much the Democratic Party knew about “the JFK thing,” When the investigation threatened to unravel the plot against Kennedy, Nixon was forced to step down rather than have the corporatists and military collaborators who were the real powers of government from the shadows exposed.

In the 80s, under Vice President George H. W. Bush and his mafia infested CIA, originally enabled and controlled during WWII by Allen and Foster Dulles and J. Edgar Hoover in order to watch over ports on the Eastern seaboard and to gather intel for the invasion of Sicily and Italy, Reagan functioned as front-man presiding over the resurgent corporatist forces of the war machine that eliminated the Kennedys and MLK.

This Patriot Act extension was designed to protect cooperative telecoms who have collaborated with the [now Cheney led] shadow government that has been operative under Bush [41] since BushCo stepped into its vacuum of power left by Nixon in the wake of Watergate and the coup d'état that took out the Kennedys. We must never forget that George H. W. Bush was the CIA administrator in charge of the second invasion of Cuba. Kennedy’s assassination not only eliminated his progressive government but also was intended as a “false flag” act of provocation to be blamed on Castro, justifying this invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:28 PM on 02/16/2008
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Ya, saw the movie. Mel Gibson wasn't it?

(BTW "they" are outside your door right now. You know too much. And, thank you very much, you have probably killed everyone of us who read your post.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 02/16/2008
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Hey can I poach this? Good info.

Cheney leads now because George Bush Sr. is dead? I'm convinced the man never actually retired. Then again he always hated Cheney so they couldn't possibly be working together. Hm.

My take: Cheney is NSA and FBI, and Bush Sr. is, from the moment he set foot in this country, all CIA, all the time.

And they're all fighting each other while the Master Plan implodes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:36 PM on 02/16/2008
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I think the republican and the NEOCONS are addicted to our phone calls. The 12-step therapy should include:

Obama 08!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:25 PM on 02/16/2008
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We, the People are taking our beloved Country back, and We, are not afraid...

of terrorists and We, will not allow ourselves to be bullied into giving up our freedoms to a totalitarian President!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/16/2008
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I don't mean to be hopelessly slow about this, but didn't Congress offer to compromise, to give Bush an extension on FISA but WITHOUT immunity for the telecoms? And didn't Bush reject that deal? So, exactly, who's being "irresponsible"?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:24 PM on 02/16/2008
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EXACTLT! You have it correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 02/16/2008

So true! Bush considers this bill part of the necessary means of protecting American citizens from terrorism. But he's really trying to protect his own interests. As one lawmaker said, Bush was willing to veto any bill that did not include immunity for the telecoms. Therefore, he cared more about the telecoms than the American people.

Also, love the fact that Bush is in Africa while all this is going down. This is really important to him?!? By the way, China's got most of Africa locked down while we ignored it, so good luck.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/16/2008
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This is called "political theater". Now it comes down to which side can make the "irresponsible" label stick to the other side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 PM on 02/16/2008
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Merry Christmas Romanians know how to get rid of their dick tators

On 25 December 1989 the Ceausescus are tried by a special military tribunal and convicted on charges of mass murder and other crimes. The sentence is death. Ceausescu and his wife are executed by firing squad shortly after the sentence is handed down. They are buried at an undisclosed location. After footage of their dead bodies is broadcast on national television the remaining resistance to the regime change quickly falls away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:17 PM on 02/16/2008
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what you are describing was the common legal punishment during the ceausescu years for many middle and higher rank officials who were convicted of fraud, misappropriation, etc.....I remember reading about it in the 70s, when our msm reported one of the trials-the subtext was about 'how can they be this barbaric?'
Well as a committed leftest-patriot, I always remember it as something we ought to do here.
AND I think it is even more approriate today.

Obama-08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 02/16/2008
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"If the shoe fits" IMO bush is nothing more than an unindicted fugitive from justice - trouble is, no one has the nuts to take him and his New American Century gang into custody. Sad commentary on a once great nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 PM on 02/16/2008
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Something else coming up soon, on MSNBC it was reported that the feceral contract fraud crackdown has a loophole that exempts Iraq and other overseas work. Anyone else heard anything?
I do anticipate something big to happen prior to the election. I don't think the folks with the real power will give it up easily.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 PM on 02/16/2008
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