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DAVID BAUDER | February 17, 2008 03:15 PM EST | AP


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NEW YORK — Fewer than a half-million people were watching MSNBC when David Shuster made his comment that Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign had "pimped out" daughter Chelsea by having her make political phone calls.

Among them were monitors at Newsbusters. The Web site posted video of Shuster 10 minutes after the show was over, beginning a reaction that led to his two-week suspension.

The pundit police never go off duty.

Say something stupid, offensive or incorrect on television and you're going to hear about it _ fast.

Web sites and bloggers record everything on news programs, an obsessive attention that can foster a hypersensitivity over words and deepen the nation's partisan divide. Without question, they remind pundits that it's important to think before they speak.

"If you're on television, you have the responsibility to be truthful and honest and do your best," said Amy Holmes, a commentator who has worked at Fox News Channel, MSNBC and now CNN. "But I think some of these pundit police hold people to an impossible standard."

It's been a particularly rough month at NBC. Besides Shuster, Chris Matthews apologized after suggesting Clinton's political prominence was due to her husband's infidelities. The watchdog Media Matters for America said there are many other instances where Matthews had been unusually critical of Clinton. The "Today" show had to say it was sorry Thursday after guest Jane Fonda used a vulgarity.

Shuster's words had few defenders, but TV legend Barbara Walters expressed some sympathy for his predicament. Sometimes you say something unfortunate on live TV, she said on "The View."

"He's getting suspended, he apologized, MSNBC apologized," she said. "Drop it already! It's OK. He made a mistake."

Two pundit police chiefs are Media Matters, from the left, and the Media Research Center, from the right. The MRC operates Newsbusters.

Media Matters was founded in 2004 by David Brock, the former conservative who switched allegiances. Its goal is to watch conservative media figures and hang them by their words, publicizing their statements to the wider world and challenging them on facts.

"You certainly know you're having an impact on conservative media when you become part of the conspiracy theories of every right-wing pundit in the country," said spokesman Karl Frisch. "That's sort of a badge of honor."

Fox's Bill O'Reilly is a frequent target; he calls Media Matters "an assassination Web site."

L. Brent Bozell, nephew of conservative icon William F. Buckley, started the Media Research Center in 1987 with the goal of becoming the conservative movement's ombudsman. It tries to sniff out signs of liberal bias and takes the media to task for gaffes, the same standards journalists hold for reporters, said Tim Graham, the center's director of media analysis.

"We have a rather mundane goal here, which is to get eyeballs," Graham said. "We all like making a splash. We all like getting the Drudge link."

Pundits feel the eyeballs.

"In a campaign capacity, I've been known to have foot-in-mouth disease," said Donna Brazile, a manager of Al Gore's 2000 campaign and a CNN commentator. "But as a pundit, I'm much more guarded. If I say something nice about George Bush, I could get kicked around for months."

As a black woman and uncommitted Democratic superdelegate, she knows people are parsing her words to see if they indicate support for Clinton or Barack Obama.

She's also sensitive to language, and has warned CNN against referring to a "back row" of commentators on its New York set. Fifty years after Rosa Parks, it might be taken wrong if the "back row" contains black commentators.

Fox News Channel's Mort Kondracke knows he's been featured on left-leaning sites when he's flooded with complaints that all use the same language.

When he described a tax one day as regressive, "I got an avalanche of e-mails," he said. "I did my research and I apologized the next day. Then I got a bunch of e-mails saying `you spoke too soon.'"

Partisanship gives these pundit police their bite and vigor, yet sometimes undermines their arguments. Media Matters called O'Reilly "ignorant" last fall when he commented about noticing little difference between the black-run Sylvia's Restaurant in Harlem and restaurants owned by whites _ while giving him little credit for dining there with Al Sharpton.

Similarly, Bozell criticized CBS News for identifying "conservative" Republicans 44 times during Super Tuesday coverage while not labeling any Democrats as liberal. However, he neglected to note the chief reason for the disparity, that doubt among GOP voters about John McCain's conservative credentials was one of the night's biggest issues.

These kinds of instances make people often dismiss the groups' criticisms simply because of who they are, not what they say.

"If you do something that's incorrect or truly outrageous, there's nothing wrong with being called on it," Kondracke said. "I do think Media Matters tends to go looking for trouble."

One worry within the punditry world is that there are different standards for outrage based on the power of the speaker. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow said she'd probably be fired if she played a satirical song titled "Barack the Magic Negro," yet Rush Limbaugh did it with little consequence. Some critics have wondered why Shuster was suspended for his words while Matthews, one of MSNBC's top personalities, didn't miss a day of work.

Maddow said people on TV should expect scrutiny from pundit police as part of the job.

"They may have my head at some point," she said, "but I think we're better off as a country by there being pundit police and having different pundit police, preferably without a partisan agenda, then if we didn't have people making us accountable for what we say."

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On the Net:

http://www.newsbusters.org/

http://mediamatters.org/

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EDITOR'S NOTE _ David Bauder can be reached at dbauder"at"ap.org

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I was watching live when Schuster said it. Anytime Tucker is not on and Shuster is filling in I'll watch. I still agree with him. Chelsea is 28 and needs to available to the press or she's being used by her Mom in an unfair way. I'm waiting for your return David Shuster. Come back soon. We need you back on the air fact-checking these liars/politicians statements.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:13 PM on 02/18/2008

Besides that, McCain--at some conservative gathering--told a REALLY filthy joke with Chelsea as the butt, one that also slammed Janet Reno and Chelsea's mother, a joke that was far worse than Schuster's unscripted remark (and, undoubtedly, far more painful for Chelsea--well, at least the content of that joke would hurt me more than Schuster's METAPHOR, since McCain's was a direct hit on Chelsea's appearance). Obviously, McCain planned in advance to tell that joke.

And, yet, Hillary Clinton claims McCain is a good friend and somebody she admires. No revenge-attempt THERE.

Poor David Schuster..his admittedly stupid remark seems to have just slipped out. But he is a little guy and McCain is a powerful guy. And, right now HC thinks she needs sympathy, so she went after Schuster.

It tells us a lot about HC that a so-called friend can call her daughter "ugly" in public and it doesn't seem to matter to her...or else she stuffs down her anger for purposes of political expediency. But in order to wring out a bit more sympathy NOW, she explodes in outrage at a far lesser remark made by somebody with far less power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 02/19/2008

MC CAINS FILTHY JOKE WAS TOLD AMONG A GROUP OF SO CALLED CHRISTIANS AND LAUGHED AT. IT WASNT ON TV OR CABLE BECAUSE HE WEARS 2 FACES. BOTH NOW AIMING TOWARDS GEORGE BUSH, HIS SUGAR DADDY.
AS FOR CALLING ANYONE A WHORE, WELL HOW ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER. OKAY? HOW ABOUT YOUR WIFE. OKAY? DON IMUS LOST HIS JOB FOR BEING WHAT HE WAS, A SHOCK JOCK AND CAN ANYONE REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THE RUTGERS LADIES WHOSE "REPUTATION WAS DESTROYED". THE ONLY WAY TO DESTROY A REPUTATION IS FOR IT TO BE TRUE. CHELSEA WAS RAISED A WHOLE LOT BETTER THAN THE BUSH TWINS AND SHE IS A DECENT PERSON WHO HAS EVERY RIGHT TO CAMPAIGN FOR HER MOM. YOU DONT GET RHETORIC FROM HILLARY YOU GET SUBSTANCE AND TRUTH AND SOLUTIONS. THE MEDIA HAS BEEN SCUM-LIKE IN THEIR TREATMENT OF HER.IT MAY HAVE BEEN A GAME BUT NOW THEY ARE STUCK WITH OBAMA. GO HELP US.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 02/19/2008

uh, hate to interject, but, Schuster used a term that FITS, especially in todays "culture" and NOTE, like the SUPER DELGATE who became a DELEGATE due to campaign involvement at age 17 years of age, is NOW 21 and being REGULARLY CALLED by the CLinton team, soliciting his SUPER DELGATE VOTE , ALlbright, Bill and others have called him PERSONALLY and OH, Chelsea TOO and a BREAKFAST DATE WAS MADE AND KEPT, Chelsea made the breakfast date and did get PUBLICITY of the meeting/date and pictures abound...THe 21year old SUPER DELEGATE , grins ear to ear in discussing on air/in media about these extrodinary OPPORTUNITIES due to his SUPER DELEGATE position...THe ENTIRE Clinton campers are willing to pimp out their services and prestige of any sort to gather the delegates, super or not and voters as well , ITS WHAT DIE HARD CAMPAIGN FOLKS DO !!!
(the suspension of Shuster is NONSENSE !!! and do miss his reportings, wonder even if returns if will be able to continue brutal honest reportings....somehow think his style has been and will be "Crimped' !!! Too bad, for he took on NOT just Dems, but GOPs as well and actually was far less partisan in doing so, just called them as they were !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/19/2008
- rbe1 I'm a Fan of rbe1 permalink

I'll agree with you as soon as Shuster calls Obama's wife his whore in chief.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/19/2008

"If you're on television, you have the responsibility to be truthful and honest and do your best," said Amy Holmes, a commentator who has worked at Fox News Channel, MSNBC and now CNN. "But I think some of these pundit police hold people to an impossible standard."
- i don't think so.. its about time to put them against a standard . if u look at this election cycle, the way they hv treated clintons, its time someone starts to hold them accountable!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:40 PM on 02/18/2008

SOooooooooooo exhausted of the WHINE AND WHIMPERING from the Clinton camps that the media treats them poorly when by and large NOT REALLY SO and they, the CLintons have been way more "coverage" for their campaign than all others and have been allowed to have Hillary presented as THE INEVITIBLE one since the 2004 campaign wrapped !!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/19/2008

Cable news is irrelevant except when it is covered in MSM. Fact is, the internet is irrelevant. Too sad? Maybe, but get over it. Cable Fox's Limbaugh is relevant because he is on the radio, shot out on frequencies that get through to the million and millions of Americans who have blue collar jobs.
Air America is weakly relevant because it is radio that is not in the frequencies that get through to the blue collar workers, and it is too well-spoken.
Howard Stern is irrelevant because he is on satellite radio, but he was relevant before that switch. Oh, who cares.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/18/2008
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big pimpin'

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 02/18/2008

ah, the hypocrisy. if anyone on television even thinks about the word "pimp" in regards to any facet of the Barack campaign, we can expect Sharpton and all his minions would be up in arms. the individual would be tarred and feathered. (and rightly so.) so why this casual stance when it applies to the Clintons? proof, again, of corporate media trying to railroad a candidate down our throats...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 02/18/2008

Does it really matter how many people were watching? It was the inappropriateness of his remarks, not the size of his audience, which led to his suspension.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/18/2008
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pimp off.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 02/18/2008

Vera, that is EXACTLY how I feel.

The fact that MSM pays a "reporter" to make news by interjecting his bar room opinions onto the public airways says volumes about their motives/plans. Am sick to death of these little people inflicting themselves into my livingroom.

MSNBC has two newspeople that I will watch, Keith Olberman and Dan Abrams. No more coverage of primaries, even, will be watched in this household due to their idiots interventions.

Before long they will be as bad as Faux which I never turn on.......and change from any televisions that I come into contact with. At restaurants I complain to management if Faux is on the screens. Have not had a manager refuse to change yet!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/19/2008

Shuster acts like he has ambition. Ambitions 21st century media people know that the web & blogs are like word of mouth networks were in the 19th century. The web & blogs greatly multiply the audience for a saavy media pro who is waspish. The swarm of wasps came back to bite Mr Shuster in the ass & all over when he said HRC & Slick Willy were pimping their daughter. Mr Shuster needs to get allergy shots if he plans to provoke wasps. Getting the proper gear when you seek to smoke a wasps's nest to get rid of the pests is a good idea too.
Angry wasps are really mean. Mr Shuster now knows that from personal experience. Keep away when somebody is smoking a wasps's nest to avoid being bitten.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:37 AM on 02/18/2008

Typo: "Ambitions 21st..." should read Ambitious 21st...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 AM on 02/18/2008
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it's hard out there for a pimp

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:16 PM on 02/18/2008

Shuster gives pimping a bad name.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 02/18/2008

FINAL GRAF:

"then" should be "than" --

"They may have my head at some point," she said, "but I think we're better off as a country by there being pundit police and having different pundit police, preferably without a partisan agenda, THEN if we didn't have people making us accountable for what we say."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:31 AM on 02/18/2008

Yeah, this Hillary spoof is getting almost as many eyeballs, and it's funnier than anything on that cable network.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMgxFE6bms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 AM on 02/18/2008
- Norm I'm a Fan of Norm permalink

People referring to the Chelsea Clinton "pimped out" remark must only spend time on internet political sites. I have spent time on media sites and music sites and the term "pimped out" is used commonly among thirty-somethings. It is used in reference to both men and women. Shuster's remark, consequently, did not offend me at all, although I would have been outraged had it been uttered thirty years ago. It's quite refreshing to know pimp equality has been achieved.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 AM on 02/18/2008

Norm, following your logic, I guess if Shuster had referred to Senator Obama as "nigga" you wouldn't be outraged because Music sites, MTV, VH1, Rap singers and "thirty-somethings" now commonly use this "once" offensive word. Both words still offend me so I guess I am not as "hip" as you are.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 AM on 02/18/2008
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In what context?
Just calling someone "nigga" because they are black as you did is a slur.
Cute how you slipped that in huh?

To say he is "nigga rich" because he out-raises Hillary in fundraising cash 2-1 would be a correct adjective description like Billary "pimping out" Chelsea for votes to 22 year old Super-Delegates.

If she can tell that kid why her Mom should be President why not tell a Katie Couric or a real journalist like Brian Williams the same thing? To do less is giving the appearance of secrecy and deception.

Let's keep it apples and apples.
No orange substitutes like that please.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 02/18/2008

don't forget to mention that the shows on msnbc get repeated over and over and clips from the shows get rebroadcast on other shows and on nbc (even when there isn't a scandal).

he said a nasty thing. they were correct to suspend him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 AM on 02/18/2008

Shut down the newspapers.
Close the TV stations.
Burn the books.
No more Free Speach baloney
No more Freedom of the Press
No more Free Thinking

Hillary is here!

If you send your adult hedge fund manager out to turn tricks, don't be surprised when people call her a hooker.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 02/18/2008

No one wants to shut down the press, I would simply like the press to act like journalists. Report the news not become it, Shuster's problem is he likes to be the issue not report on it. The proliferation of cable news has allowed people with no talent and huge egos face time on TV and this is the result.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:00 AM on 02/18/2008

Chelsea's role in the campaign IS a real issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/18/2008

True, but there will always be editors and they are also sponsored. If they only reported good news or something that didn't get the blood boiling they would probably be out of a job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 PM on 02/18/2008

Wow, get back on your meds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:05 AM on 02/18/2008

typical obamaloons .. long on rants .. short on substance... reflecting his candidate!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:41 PM on 02/18/2008

kundera- have you ever watched o'reilly or hannity- pull your head out of your reublican sink hole and just try to see what's true for once in your blind life

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:22 AM on 02/18/2008

i'll bet media matters sets kondracke off into a twitching fit. now i know why brent bozell is such a bitter, mean spirited prick, he is cut from the same cloth as jonah goldberg- peckerheads who wouldn't have jobs if it weren't for their evil ass relatives

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:17 AM on 02/18/2008

yeah, nobody watches Olberman and his self importance is staggering, although no way near his bitterness and mean spiritness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 02/18/2008

I watch Olberman and he deserves credit for saying what a very large number of Americans think. But the right-wing media has largely suppressed our view and Olberman is one of the few voices who speak for us.

What this dangerously incompetent President has done to this country deserves to be hated.

And he has the highest rated show on MSNBC. That is why he can get away with saying what he is saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:25 AM on 02/18/2008

Hilarious!!!! Highest rated show on MSNBC? That's like saying he's got the highest rated show in my house!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:08 PM on 02/18/2008
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Frankly I think he's pretty nice considering what the repukes deserve for the damage they have done to our country.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 AM on 02/18/2008

Have you ever really watched KO? Sounds as if you haven't.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:07 AM on 02/18/2008

The Clintons are dirty. How could Barack Obama get zero votes from 80 districts in the black community. They say she could lose New York if they count the votes.

/www.nypost.com/seven/02162008/news/regionalnews/obama_robbed_in_ny_97932.htm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/18/2008

It probably was not the first Billary trick...nor will it be the last!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 AM on 02/18/2008
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