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Nasty Clinton-Obama Fight Descends To "Plagiarism" Accusations

February 18, 2008 01:46 PM


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The two Democratic presidential campaigns traded accusations on Monday that each candidate had lifted language from other politicians, with a Clinton official going so far as to accuse Sen. Barack Obama of plagiarism.

The heated rhetoric came after segments of speeches from Obama and Massachusetts Gov. Devall Patrick were posted back-to-back on YouTube by a "rival campaign." In the clips, both men use nearly identical language when discussing the power of words.

Obama: "Don't tell me words don't matter. 'I have a dream' -- just words? 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' -- just words? Just speeches?"


Patrick: "'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words? Just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' -- just words? 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words? 'I have a dream' -- just words?"

The Obama campaign denied anything nefarious, noting that the two men are friends and political supporters of each other and that the line was, in fact, ad-libbed.

The Clinton camp, however, jumped right on the issue arguing that the use of someone else's language was telling for a candidate who leans so heavily on his oratory. The debate - aided, in part, by a relatively slow news day - culminated in dueling conference calls at 11 am on Monday morning.

"The issue whether or not there is approval is immaterial. The public did not know that the words had come from Gov. Patrick," said Clinton's spokesperson Howard Wolfson. We need a president, added Massachussetts Rep. Jim McGovern who is "not just someone who can copy someone's homework."

Moments later, Wolfson, in a separate interview with Politico, described Obama use of Patrick's earlier speech as "plagiarism."

In response to the charges, the Obama camp took a two-prong approach: downplaying the political significance of the language lifting and making the case that Sen. Hillary Clinton, herself, had borrowed lines from Obama.

"Throughout our history there have been moments where leaders have inspired the country through words," said campaign manager David Plouffe on a conference call with reporters. "We think at the end of the day this is another effort by the Clinton campaign to create distractions." This is, he added, "a curious charge from Sen. Clinton who repeatedly throughout this campaign has used words that Sen. Obama has used."

As evidence, Bill Burton, Obama's press secretary, sent out several memos in which Clinton uttered such Obama catchphrases as: "Yes We Can," and "Fired Up And Ready To Go."

Throughout the back-and-forth a secondary debate raged as to exactly how important the whole episode was.

On one hand, Peter S. Canellos wrote in the Boston Globe, the use of lofty rhetoric - either lifted or original - can create rousing expectations that suffocate a politician.

"Except that when it comes to the actual substance of issues, there's no special agenda attached to the politics of hope. Both Patrick in 2006 and Obama this year have websites full of positions on the issues, but they're not easily distinguishable from those of other Democrats. The issues tend to get lost in the language of hope, perhaps because they sound and feel routine, and don't strike an inspirational chord."

On the other, as Obama noted in a press conference later on Monday, workers in Ohio couldn't care less about one segment in a lengthy speech.

"[Patrick] has occasionally used lines of mine. I have occasionally used some words of his. I know Sen. Clinton has used words of mind as well. I don't think that is something that workers here are concerned about." Obama added that he should have credited Patrick, but said in the end, "I really don't think this is too big of a deal."


 
 

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- ProgressiveNotLiberal See Profile I'm a Fan of ProgressiveNotLiberal

Clinton (Feb. 21, 2008): "You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about."

Edwards (Dec. 13, 2007): "What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine."

Bill Clinton (1992): "The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time."

Clinton (Feb. 21, 2008): "You know, the hits I"ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:19 AM on 02/22/2008
- Groobiecat See Profile I'm a Fan of Groobiecat

ummm, what's wrong with this picture? am I crazy or is Hillary lying?? This is from the Wash. Post:

Clinton's campaign has focused its attention over the last few days on exposing similarities -- in some cases exact replicas -- between Obama's speeches and those of Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick. Clinton pointed to the media for the spate of stories about Obama's speech, saying on Tuesday that "it's not us making this charge, it's the media."

In fact, two days in a row, Clinton advisers went to great lengths to circulate stories about what they described as Obama's plagiarism. "Have you seen this?" was the subject heading on an e-mail spokesman Phil Singer wrote advertising a set of videos the campaign posted on YouTube. "Sen. Obama put himself out as a great orator, and so when he is found to be lifting passages of a speech from another elected official, it is significant," Howard Wolfson, a senior Clinton adviser, said in a conference call with reporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 PM on 02/19/2008
- HernQuin2008YouTube See Profile I'm a Fan of HernQuin2008YouTube

"Like Mussolini and Kennedy, I'm the Cult of Personality, Cult of Personality, Cult of Personality, Neon lights, A Nobel Price, The mirror speaks, the reflection lies, You don't have to follow me, Only you can set you free, I sell the things you need to be, I'm the smiling face on your T.V., I'm the Cult of Personality, I exploit you still you love me, I tell you one and one makes three, I'm the Cult of Personality"-Just Words from Living Colour. If you join the Obama Cult movement you must drink his koolaid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:00 PM on 02/19/2008
- RusStyles See Profile I'm a Fan of RusStyles

You need to seek help--immediately!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:51 PM on 02/19/2008
- indycar See Profile I'm a Fan of indycar

Sounds like Bubba to me

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:50 PM on 02/19/2008
- ObamaEdwards See Profile I'm a Fan of ObamaEdwards

At the beginning of this campaign, I gave Clinton credit for intelligence. I now retract any favorable statements I made about her. She has no good qualities, and there is nothing admirable about her. These tactics--always initiated by the Clintons and addressed eventually by Obama (who must be as surprised by Clinton's lack of dignity as voters are)--have so stained her reputation, I doubt she will have an effective political career after this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:16 PM on 02/19/2008
- evahartselftlanguages See Profile I'm a Fan of evahartselftlanguages

TO: Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama February 19, 2008



CONGRESS WILL COUNT VOTES FOR ELECTORAL COLLEGE DELEGATES ON JANUARY 6, 2009 FOR PRESIDENT IN 2008:

Read all about it! Read all about it!

First there is the Presidential Election and people have an idea as to who is President, but this is not final because the Electors need to vote. On the first Monday after second Wednesday in December the Electoral College Delegates will vote for President of the United States. They vote and these votes are sent to the President of the Senate. Then Congress will count these votes of Electoral College Delegates and the Election is then official. Vanza Devereaux The Government of a Free Nation,'63 Don't be fooled by election deception for superdelegates are in Congress,Senate,High Officials and still count vote of Electors for President of United States.

Eva Hart Christian In Army 62-70 670 Eddy St. Sfc 94109 Rec job Sec of Def 64

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:06 PM on 02/19/2008
- LeoMarvin See Profile I'm a Fan of LeoMarvin

Huh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 02/19/2008
- ayc See Profile I'm a Fan of ayc

"If it's bad to use someone else's words without crediting them, what about taking credit for someone else's policies without crediting them?

That goes on a lot in politics, and goes both ways -- just last week, the Clinton campaign claimed that Obama stole pieces of his new plan to revive the economy from Clinton. But one of the most glaring examples of the practice involves Clinton's claim -- dating all the way back to her 2000 NY campaign for the Senate -- that she "championed" the Children's Health Insurance Program (known as "S-Chip") and deserves credit for getting health insurance for 6 miilion kids.

The claim has been repeated again and again in ads. But the claim has always been problematic, because Clinton was not in the Senate when the program was established. She was First Lady. In response, her campaign has always said she championed it inside the White House by getting her husband to sign it. And who's going to contradict her?

Well, no one -- until Ted Kennedy decided to endorse Obama. Kennedy is the actual champion of the program, in the sense of having sponsored it and having gotten it passed in the Senate. And this weekend, at a news briefing at which he asserted that Hillary was distorting Obama's health plan, Kennedy also brought up the Children's Health Insurance Program."
http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/2008/02/what_about_policy_plagiarism.html

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:47 PM on 02/19/2008
- hiriumi See Profile I'm a Fan of hiriumi

You can't invent every phrase you say. Plus, this is so non-issue to me. Clinton brings the politics lower and lower to the point people get fed up with it. I want to hear more about issues that this country has. And Clinton's argument that Obama is inexperienced is not pursuasive because of Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Let's talk about the issues, Ms. Clinton. I'm sick and tired of personal attacks you do and your tone remind me so much of Republicans. You might as well join Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:37 PM on 02/19/2008
- gulopartisan See Profile I'm a Fan of gulopartisan

Look either Hillary was an experienced pol for the last 16 years who couldn't even sway her own husband on universal health care or NAFTA, or she didn't care about universal health care and NAFTA. She can't have it both ways.

When Bill was poaching the help, where was feminist Hillary? How did she represent working people on the board of Walmart? Who's paying her limo bills besides the health insurance slimeballs and military racketeers?

I am so fed up with the Clinton smear machine that I'm not even listening any more. The election is not about kindergarten, I don't care if Obama forgot to footnote his speech, and yes, I did notice that his skin is darker than mine. Enough BS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 PM on 02/19/2008
- scandals&skeletons See Profile I'm a Fan of scandals&skeletons

actually it was meant to divert attention from hillarys dropping numbers and campaign infighting.
in that light it was a smart strategic move and it worked to a point. ultimately i think it backfired, as most realize it is so petty as to be a non-issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 PM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner

Don't be so sensitive.

The Media has been siding with the Obama camp from day 1. That's probably why he's made the amount of inroads he has.

There was a study done (I believe by the Washington Post) whereby over 80% of Obama's reporting has been positive, while only 40% for Clinton.

As the Media's Wunderhind from the beginning, it's no surprise that he's viewed predominantly in a positive light.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:44 PM on 02/19/2008
- scandals&skeletons See Profile I'm a Fan of scandals&skeletons

leftleaner your above post is patently false.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:27 PM on 02/19/2008
- MutualDisdain See Profile I'm a Fan of MutualDisdain

Unless you want reporters to start inventing positive news about Clinton, I would say 40% is about accurate. For every good thing that she does she is dogged by 10 other bad things either she or her husband has done.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 PM on 02/19/2008
- shela88 See Profile I'm a Fan of shela88

Hillary Clinton has been helping herself to other people's words for some time now and no credit has ever been given. One of her most blatant examples of plagiarism is the way she co-wrote her best-selling "It Takes A Village" with co-writer Barbara Feinman and refused to acknowledge her extensive contribution to the book.
It appears more and more that simple graciousness and an awareness of how anyone besides Hillary affects her life is not in her DNA.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 02/19/2008
- Skevimc See Profile I'm a Fan of Skevimc

Lincoln plagiarized the Constitution. What a loser.

If Hillary's camp is pointing this out because "it's telling of someone who leans heavily on oratory". Well let's look at Hillary. She leans heavily on her experience and knowledge of procedure right? So what is she doing in Michigan and Florida? Following procedure? Nope, she's using her experience to figure out how to avoid the rules and shape the race how she wants it, not how it should be. That's real political experience at work!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 PM on 02/19/2008
- gulopartisan See Profile I'm a Fan of gulopartisan

Read up on the Gettysburg Address. Lincoln borrowed heavily from handfuls of fundamental rhetorical sources. The Clintons are contemptible; that should not surprise anyone who watched them hijack our party.

We loved Slick Willy? Right. The way you love smog when you surface after falling into the Hudson.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:30 PM on 02/19/2008
- Political Voyeur See Profile I'm a Fan of Political Voyeur

Doesn't anybody read? Shouldn't Deval Patrick care? Wouldn't that make it a story?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html
-PoliticalVoyeur.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 PM on 02/19/2008
- AC500 See Profile I'm a Fan of AC500

I don't know what she's complaining about she and McCain lifted his overall message of CHANGE. Its clear to me that Obama is a leader that others follow ... even the other two Presidential candidates. So do you want the real deal or one of two facsimiles?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:24 PM on 02/19/2008
- hawkai See Profile I'm a Fan of hawkai

Karl Rove strategy: attack your opponent's strengths.

This Clinton/Bush insanity MUST END NOW!!!

I'm SO sick of these people! We have been given an opportunity to change things for the better. Come on America, don't blow it!!!

VOTE OBAMA!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/19/2008
- okeydokey See Profile I'm a Fan of okeydokey

Just happened to catch Charlie Rose last night. The President of MIT was the guest. She mentioned that there was an energy group of 700 students and guess what their slogan was?
"We are the people we are waiting for." Who said it first I don't know...but the group has been around since 2004. Thomas Friedman talked about this group in his Dec.2, 2007 column.


    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 02/19/2008
- eaglecapri See Profile I'm a Fan of eaglecapri

LeftWeiner,

In response to your email, last night's Evening News with Charlie Gibson cited that Patrick used two ideas from Obama's 2004 campaign - Change and Yes We Can! In the segment, they also had videos of Hillary citing Edwards' words. Edwards first, then Hillary second. Check it out, it's most enjoyable. Can't wait for it to be downloaded on YouTube.

If you choose to reply, please only reply IF AND ONLY IF you respond to Hillary the Thief proofs! Thanks in advance. ;)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:59 PM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner See Profile I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner

First off, nobody has a copyright on the overused word, Change.

Every candidate trying to get into office uses this word - It's nothing new OR ORIGINAL.

AND

"Yes we can" was ORIGINALLY used by Cesar Chavez, the leader of the migrant workers in California.

So, what's your argument

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:52 PM on 02/19/2008
- scandals&skeletons See Profile I'm a Fan of scandals&skeletons

hey i just patented the word "change".
leftleaner you owe me a royalty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:39 PM on 02/19/2008
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