Nasty Clinton-Obama Fight Descends To "Plagiarism" Accusations

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First Posted: 02-18-08 01:46 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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The two Democratic presidential campaigns traded accusations on Monday that each candidate had lifted language from other politicians, with a Clinton official going so far as to accuse Sen. Barack Obama of plagiarism.

The heated rhetoric came after segments of speeches from Obama and Massachusetts Gov. Devall Patrick were posted back-to-back on YouTube by a "rival campaign." In the clips, both men use nearly identical language when discussing the power of words.

Obama: "Don't tell me words don't matter. 'I have a dream' -- just words? 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' -- just words? Just speeches?"


Patrick: "'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal' -- just words? Just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' -- just words? 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words? 'I have a dream' -- just words?"

The Obama campaign denied anything nefarious, noting that the two men are friends and political supporters of each other and that the line was, in fact, ad-libbed.

The Clinton camp, however, jumped right on the issue arguing that the use of someone else's language was telling for a candidate who leans so heavily on his oratory. The debate - aided, in part, by a relatively slow news day - culminated in dueling conference calls at 11 am on Monday morning.

"The issue whether or not there is approval is immaterial. The public did not know that the words had come from Gov. Patrick," said Clinton's spokesperson Howard Wolfson. We need a president, added Massachussetts Rep. Jim McGovern who is "not just someone who can copy someone's homework."

Moments later, Wolfson, in a separate interview with Politico, described Obama use of Patrick's earlier speech as "plagiarism."

In response to the charges, the Obama camp took a two-prong approach: downplaying the political significance of the language lifting and making the case that Sen. Hillary Clinton, herself, had borrowed lines from Obama.

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"Throughout our history there have been moments where leaders have inspired the country through words," said campaign manager David Plouffe on a conference call with reporters. "We think at the end of the day this is another effort by the Clinton campaign to create distractions." This is, he added, "a curious charge from Sen. Clinton who repeatedly throughout this campaign has used words that Sen. Obama has used."

As evidence, Bill Burton, Obama's press secretary, sent out several memos in which Clinton uttered such Obama catchphrases as: "Yes We Can," and "Fired Up And Ready To Go."

Throughout the back-and-forth a secondary debate raged as to exactly how important the whole episode was.

On one hand, Peter S. Canellos wrote in the Boston Globe, the use of lofty rhetoric - either lifted or original - can create rousing expectations that suffocate a politician.

"Except that when it comes to the actual substance of issues, there's no special agenda attached to the politics of hope. Both Patrick in 2006 and Obama this year have websites full of positions on the issues, but they're not easily distinguishable from those of other Democrats. The issues tend to get lost in the language of hope, perhaps because they sound and feel routine, and don't strike an inspirational chord."

On the other, as Obama noted in a press conference later on Monday, workers in Ohio couldn't care less about one segment in a lengthy speech.

"[Patrick] has occasionally used lines of mine. I have occasionally used some words of his. I know Sen. Clinton has used words of mind as well. I don't think that is something that workers here are concerned about." Obama added that he should have credited Patrick, but said in the end, "I really don't think this is too big of a deal."

The two Democratic presidential campaigns traded accusations on Monday that each candidate had lifted language from other politicians, with a Clinton official going so far as to accuse Sen. Barack Oba...
The two Democratic presidential campaigns traded accusations on Monday that each candidate had lifted language from other politicians, with a Clinton official going so far as to accuse Sen. Barack Oba...
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ifreez stop the fukin reposts

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:08 AM on 02/19/2008

please

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 PM on 02/19/2008

Keith Olberman on this topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwAfpNcg10

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 02/19/2008
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You want to really talk about something then you should be looking at the way she is willing to sell out our kids for that allmighty dollar:The Clintons, Jackson Stephens and the East Liverpool OH http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=172x23023ss=172x23023

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 02/19/2008

I don't understand why it is okay to set an example for all Obama's young followers that plagarism is okay. Where is the line? Its okay because Duval is a buddy? Its okay because people like him? Huh?

And how is his lieing and cheating different for all the politicians who have come before him who were liars and cheaters?

There is really something wrong with our society when we have such low morals as to say it is okay for a future president to lie to our faces - to mislead us into thinking that his speeches are original.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:08 AM on 02/19/2008

bionicwoman, my reply to your arguement is would you think it is ok to tech kids to lie? because i have three transcripts of bill clinton flat out lying on the campaign trail. and before you post that he is not running, i have a great one of hill flat out lying also.
get this through your head, this is a non-issue.
will her campaigns accusations fix the economy? will it end the war in iraq? will it keep social security solvent?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/19/2008

teach

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:11 AM on 02/19/2008

Lots of Obama supporters calling for us to end this nonsense. Where were you guys when Hillary was the frontrunner and this site posted nonsense for weeks on end? Obama is running a campaign based on his particular skill at motivational speaking . We've been forced to endure his anti-rational notion that words can solve the world's problems by themselves. So now it turns out he's just reading from somebody else's script. Why don't you people get over this silly, self-destructive messianism and let the grown-ups take charge. If we nominate Barack Obama he will lose to John McCain. Democrats always do this, nominate some pie-in-the-sky idealist who turns out to be just another politician who is so green that the Republicans in their military-like skill take him down and win 48 states. I really want to win this time. Pretty please?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 02/19/2008

You're smokin' crack.

Every poll...AND I MEAN EVERY POLL shows McCain losing to Obama while Hillary LOSES to McCain.

Wake up from your dream!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:04 AM on 02/19/2008
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Please go read the link to the new republic blog about Clinton's ex-speechwriter. or go here

http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/02/18/former-clinton-speechwriter-weighs-in-on-plagiarism-gate-08.aspx

And let's end this silliness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/19/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 72 fans permalink

Hillary is once again a accusing others of something she herself does. Like when she stole from Mario Cuomo, she stole his "Poetry and Prose" line and never bothered to cite him.

The following is from the Pittsburgh Post Gazettee
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08011/848437-176.stm?cmpid=news.xml


I Quote:

"Indeed, Mrs. Clinton made some of the same arguments Sunday in New Hampshire when she defended her earnest speaking style by saying, in an indirect reference to Mr. Obama, "you campaign in poetry, you govern in prose."

That particular political maxim was first uttered in a 1985 speech at Yale University-- by Mr. Cuomo.

"She didn't attribute it to me, although it's in Bartlett's Quotations and they did," the former governor said, laughing"

The Clinton Campagin " Is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " Shakespeare

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 02/19/2008

i tried to warn all those hillary supporters this morning that her campaign immediately recalled their plagiarism charge, because they knew that with a little digging obama campaign could easily find a similar circumstance.
i will say again, this is a non-issue.
but i must admit some of these posts are humorous.
you would think they had video of obama in 3some with a goat, and a horse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:16 AM on 02/19/2008

Clinton is driving the Party into destruction and trying everything, whatever the consequences, to get the nomination. First going for FL and MI, then arguing that it's perfectly allright for the superdelegates to overturn a popular nomination, now going after the pledged delegates and throwing empty plagiarism accusations. Republicans seeing all this will lick their chops. Penn should've been fired ages ago.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/19/2008
- 2liveNdie I'm a Fan of 2liveNdie 3 fans permalink

Embarrassing Yes, condemning No. Is this the best the Clinton campaign can do? This is so school yard finger pointing that will divide the DNC. After all she claims that words don't matter so why do they now?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 AM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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If they do "SHARE" ideas, I'd like to know WHAT IDEAS did Patrick "BORROW" from Obama, OR is this just spin to cover his a**

I have no horse in this race, BUT.........
I feel that Obama was LESS THAN forthright in "borrowing" (stealing) his friends "SEVERAL" lines of speech without attribution.

After the fact, WE ALL confess.

Plus, Duval Patrick is a Friend and Supporter of Barack Obama, so, he, naturally, will defend him on this.

Again, what line(s) did Patrick borrow from Obama, I'd like to know?

Not one reporter that I'm aware of has asked this question.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 02/19/2008

Actually, "Yes we can" was used by Obama frequently in 2005. Patrick's campaign used it once, I believe, but then changed it to "Together we can".

This is a non-issue and a bit of straw-grasping by the Clinton campaign imo.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:28 AM on 02/19/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 72 fans permalink

I wonder did Hillary cite Obama when she used "Yes We Can" at her rallys ???? Or how about "All fired up and ready to go"???

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:37 AM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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WRONG............................

It ORIGINATED from Cesar CHAVEZ when speaking to the migrant workers in California

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:13 AM on 02/19/2008
- NYC07 I'm a Fan of NYC07 72 fans permalink

I wonder did Hillary cite Obama when she used "Yes We Can" at her rallys ???? Or how about "All fired up and ready to go"???

posted 02/19/2008 at 09:37:02
Hillary is once again a accusing others of something she herself does. Like when she stole from Mario Cuomo, she stole his "Poetry and Prose" line and never bothered to cite him.

The following is from the Pittsburgh Post Gazettee
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08011/848437-176.stm?cmpid=news.xml


I Quote:

"Indeed, Mrs. Clinton made some of the same arguments Sunday in New Hampshire when she defended her earnest speaking style by saying, in an indirect reference to Mr. Obama, "you campaign in poetry, you govern in prose."

That particular political maxim was first uttered in a 1985 speech at Yale University-- by Mr. Cuomo.

"She didn't attribute it to me, although it's in Bartlett's Quotations and they did," the former governor said, laughing"

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!

The Clinton Campagin " Is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing " Shakespeare

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:55 AM on 02/19/2008

Clinton has STOLEN HER WHOLE RESUME. Thirty five years of experience. We all have experiences but what was her's. She set behind Bill Clinton and is taking credit for looking over his shoulder. I started out as a Hillary fan but I know now that she is nothing more than an empty pantsuit.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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You are talking figuratively - and your opinion. WE HERE are talking LITERALLY.

We are addressing the issue of LITERALLY STEALING a LONG, SERIES OF WORDS from another individual WITHOUT attribution.

That's the difference

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 02/19/2008
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If this is the best HRC's got, she's in big trouble.

Nothing of substance has ever worked in derailing Obama's message. All they've got left is the silly, dirty stuff.

And God forbid if this gets traction and does work. Is this how you want to beat someone? Is this really on the merits?

How will all the Obama supporters feel if this is how he's beaten?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 AM on 02/19/2008

How does it feel being hoodwinked, bamboozled by Obama's "inspiring words?"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 AM on 02/19/2008
- butchie65 I'm a Fan of butchie65 7 fans permalink

If you could read, you would see that the other two leading candidates are doing the same thing. The word here is READ ! No one was hoodwinked, they are ALL doing it.It happens to be on TV right now, talking about all of them.Got that right Joao !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 AM on 02/19/2008

coercedamerican, they weren't his words :-)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 02/19/2008
- LeftLeaner I'm a Fan of LeftLeaner 26 fans permalink
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I don't agree with you.

Obama fans are very protective of him, and no one dare say anything but praise and adoration.

Even the media is complicit in this, and they all (for the most part) are defending Obama on this.

I find it annoying, that everyone is trying to shield him, because no matter what,

He took SEVERAL words of another person's speech, AND MADE IT "HIS OWN".

AFTER THE FACT, WHEN he was FOUND OUT, he backpeddled, and said they often "share" words.

It's not the WORST thing in the world, BUT it is WRONG, and there's no denying that.

So, you OBAMA followers please stop the Unquestioning Adulation of your Messiah.

He TOOK his SEVERAL words without attribution.

Period

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 02/19/2008
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And he acknowledge the MINOR error and explained. What else should he do? Drop out? I'm not saying he didn't take Mr. Patricks words, I'm saying it's silly to make this to be something earthshaking when lots of politicians do it.

And I'm no Obama-whatever, hypnotized follower. It's such a pity that most of you can't be inspired and think at the same time. Like they contradict each other. I like Obama cuz he can do both.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 AM on 02/19/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

...he was making a point the same one his friend did.

Hillary you are desperate and are a sad example for young female.

This is not how you go about "getting your way"

We should all encourage our youth to work the hardest and win because we were the best.

Not because we were the most manipulative.

We know all about you thanks to Alex Jones.

We know that you support one world government.

You will do anything to get this election so that your agenda can be pushed. That's why you supported NAFTA.

You are the reason why people caint afford to vote based on identity. You are not the best we have to offer and I believe there are better qualified female candidates available. There will be a female president of the US but it will not be you.

unless you steal it like dubya.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/19/2008

leftleen, if you post one more even remotley negative post towards barak, i will send his blackboot soldiers to find you, and then it won;t be purty.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:25 AM on 02/19/2008
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