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February 19, 2008 09:13 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., listens to Parma, Ohio, Mayor Dan DePiero during a campaign stop at Grace's Grill in Parma, Ohio, Tuesday, Feb. 19, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

CLEVELAND — Hillary Rodham Clinton says reporters, not her campaign, uncovered evidence of Democratic rival Barack Obama sharing speech lines with Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick.

She made the claim Tuesday despite the fact her campaign posted video clips on YouTube illustrating similarities in the speeches and has suggested in several instances that the shared lines amount to plagiarism.

THE SPIN: "It's not us making this charge, it's the media," Clinton told Honolulu television station KITV Tuesday. "The media is finally examining my opponent which I think is important. We're trying to pick a president, someone for the toughest job in the world."

She added: "I think the media is going to be putting forth whatever facts and information it has for voters to assess on their own."

In an interview with another Honolulu station, KGMB, Clinton noted that Obama and Patrick share a strategist, David Axelrod, "who is apparently putting words in both of their mouths."

She added: "I think that's a serious concern."

FACT CHECK: Any suggestion that the story had a life of its own, apart from the Clinton campaign, is disingenuous.

The Associated Press, the Boston Globe and other news organizations have reported on instances in which Obama used some of Patrick's speech lines _ often without attribution.

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In the latest example, from a Democratic Party dinner Saturday night in Milwaukee, Obama repeated almost word for word part of a speech Patrick gave in 2006 extolling the importance of powerful oratory in politics. This was to rebut Clinton's charge that rhetoric is less important than results.

The New York Times reported the speech similarities Monday, having looked into them the day before. The story said the similarities "were highlighted by a rival campaign that did not want to be identified." The common lines were not characterized as plagiarism in the story.

Patrick, a friend and supporter of Obama, said he encouraged the candidate last week to respond to Clinton's criticisms about his rhetoric, as he has done before. He said he shared lines from his 2006 campaign for governor with Obama's speechwriters and wanted no credit, because the two men often swap ideas.

The Clinton campaign jumped on the matter. Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson held an hourlong conference call about it Monday and repeated many of the charges during another call Tuesday.

"Senator Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and the strength of his promises and, as we have seen in the last couple of days, he's breaking his promises and his rhetoric isn't his own," Wolfson told reporters Monday.

Wolfson added: "It raises questions about the premise of his candidacy."

And Clinton told reporters Monday night: "If your whole candidacy is about words, those words should be your own. That's what I think."

Obama spokesman Bill Burton said: "Senator Clinton knows full well that her campaign held a conference call with reporters to fan these flames and the fact that she suggested her campaign had nothing to do with it is exactly the kind of evasive tactic voters are rejecting."

Obama said Monday he wished he'd credited Patrick. He noted Clinton occasionally has used lines similar to his in her speeches.

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By Beth Fouhy

CLEVELAND — Hillary Rodham Clinton says reporters, not her campaign, uncovered evidence of Democratic rival Barack Obama sharing speech lines with Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick. She made the...
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- TerryFL I'm a Fan of TerryFL 11 fans permalink

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One candidate voted to spend 150 billion and cause the demise of over 100,000 people with her vote to attack a sovereign nation. The other neglected to properly attribute a quote to a friend with whom he had discussed said quote. Based on the gravitas of 'quotegate", I am going to back the warmonger.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 PM on 02/19/2008
- TerryFL I'm a Fan of TerryFL 11 fans permalink

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Yes, you might as well go to sleep. After your candidate has lost ten primaries in a row, there is not much reason for you to stay up. Say good night.....­..........

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 PM on 02/19/2008

When Hillary Wins the Whitehouse, will HuffPo be so willing to point out her lies?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:23 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

It will only get much worse.
Ar Huffpoo has been criticizing the clintons for a decade or more. She was really into the slamming during her Republican years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:25 PM on 02/19/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

She's not going to win the Whitehouse and will proably leave the Senate when she realizes she will never reside at 1600 again. Or just maybe Chelsea2020

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:55 PM on 02/19/2008

You know, after 8 years of pointless distracting negative campaigning, the American people may just have caught on to these tactics.

How well did they work tonight? Let's ask Wisconsin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:17 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

Let's try on a little of hillary speech... If she so smart... What did go and say this?????

First Lady Hillary Clinton was an amazing breath of fresh air when she stood up to the Chinese gov't and spoke at the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing.

. On September 5, 1995, Hillary Clinton, then first lady of the United States, stepped to the Conference podium. Most of the speech is an overview of the struggle for women"s rights, and successes met. Two-thirds of the way into the text Clinton finally addresses China directly:
""""""""I believe that, on the eve of a new millennium, it is time to break our silence. It is time for us to say here in Bejing, and the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women"s rights as separate from human rights."""­"""".
She's been standing up ever since.

BTW she didn't steal those words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:14 PM on 02/19/2008

Changing the subject? Hand caught in the cookie jar, and now you're talking about homework?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

actually, showing you what a President might sound like.Hilla­ry doesn't need to borrow words.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 PM on 02/19/2008
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What does this have to do with the matter at hand?Do you want to address the fact that her handlers refuse to deny she's ever used anybody else's words without attribution?Or would you like to tackle her grasping at straws like this because she's really beginning to lose?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 PM on 02/19/2008

It's like watching a drowning cat. Clawing at anything and everything just to stay afloat. She says her camp had nothing to do with it, it was the media. That isn't a misrepresentation. It isn't mis-speaking. It's a LIE. Call it what it is. Lying. All of this over a really weak attack to begin with. Exactly who is making the decisions over there at the Clinton Camp?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/19/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

Why do they keep tellinng us that Hillary is so brilliant? I don't think she is.

Consider her management of (her whole campaign if you wish, but specifically) plagiarygate.

It was bad enough that when she panicked she went negative.

It was bad enough that she couldn't have found something of substance to use. (Really, is Obama that clean?)

It was bad enough that the attack was (1) shown so easily to be unwarranted, and (2) the accuser was at least as guilty as her victim, and (3) she had even 'borrowed' from him!

But when all this came out, it had only exposed her campaign for the lack of originality that we had suspected before. (Don't tell us you have ideas; tell us what they are.) And then she magnifies the stupidity of the case by claiming that it wasn't her, but the media. Easily refuted, and the media would, being accused, have to refute it; thus, she only made a public display of stupidity and a willingness to lie.

I can see now why she had so much difficulty passing the bar exam!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:12 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

But but Clinton...­.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 02/19/2008

Just words? No the presentation of your candidate's thoughts and ideas. Obama is running a campaign based on his overall thoughts and ideas without specifics. And if Obama presents someone else's ideas as his own he lies to us. Just remember, just words?

Deval Patrick 6/3/06

"I am not asking anybody to take a chance on me. I'm asking you to take a chance on your own aspiration­s."

Barack Obama 11/2/07

I'm not just asking you to take a chance on me. I'm also asking you to take a chance on your own aspiration­s."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:07 PM on 02/19/2008

"How can we believe in the genuineness of his message of hope, optimism and change when he cribbed it from another politician?" Jeralyn TalkLeft

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:09 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

Lying seems a little too easy for him. I listened to the debates very carefully. His story re: rezko was a lie. In front of the world. I am seeing a pattern here. Who ever picked up on this about Obama, then I am glad, it goes to the pattern.
Can anyone refute this? Obama says rezko...kn­own him for a few years. Then it's actually 17 years and $200,000.
Wake up !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:18 PM on 02/19/2008

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011988.php

read it.. all the points that all you Obamites seem to constantly miss or refuse to accept. Enjoy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 02/19/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

Sorry to busy rebuilding a broken nation

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:00 AM on 02/20/2008

I am so incredibly disappointed in Hillary Clinton. I will never vote for her, and it is the first time I can say that I won't automatically vote the party no matter who is on the ticket. She doesn't represent anything I stand for and she wants to win at any cost. I want Barack to win, of course, but not simply for me and my family. I want Barack to win for the WORLD. A vote for Hillary would simply be pragmatic and uninspired. Anyone who would sell-out the party as blatantly as she has will never get my vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:02 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

Hell, we wouldn't want pragmatism in a president.
WOW that's so lame.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:11 PM on 02/19/2008
- Sloane7 I'm a Fan of Sloane7 18 fans permalink

If Clinton's tactics are supposed to make the public like her more - I can only say for me, it makes me like her less. Much less.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 02/19/2008
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It would be so much more graceful if the Clinton campaign kept it's big fat mouth shut after the story ran in the times. Let people draw their own conclusions rather than having some slimy, overpriced mouthpiece telling us how to feel about it. What might have become a ping of doubt about Obama becomes a nail of certainty about Clinton tactics. I accept that whatever candidate wins the nomination will be the product of marketing. But bad marketing is where I draw the line.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 02/19/2008

Clinton made Obama do it? Don't think so.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:56 PM on 02/19/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Do what? Use lines given to him?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

whoa!!! don't say lines

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:49 PM on 02/19/2008
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THE SPIN: "It's not us making this charge, it's the media," Clinton told Honolulu television station KITV Tuesday.

FACT CHECK: Any suggestion that the story had a life of its own, apart from the Clinton campaign, is disingenuous.

Hillary Clinton...­The best liar on DAY 1!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 02/19/2008
- angelbravo I'm a Fan of angelbravo 3 fans permalink

I do know that thats her spokeman who keeps giving the interviews on this topic. I can't think of his name but its not Fat-boy Penn.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 AM on 02/20/2008
- nanotubz I'm a Fan of nanotubz 7 fans permalink

American politics have been nasty since Washington, we just like to delude ourselves into thinking otherwise. However Andrew Jackson has been the only politician to honestly own up to doing it. Hillary has just absolutely proven herself to be a W clone. Different policies, same ego and refusal to accept any personal responsibility for anything.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:44 PM on 02/19/2008
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