Drawn-Out Primary Fight Will Weaken Crucial DNC Fundraising Efforts

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Huffington Post   |  Thomas Edsall and Amanda Michel
First Posted: 02-19-08 01:22 AM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon issued a response to this article, which you can find at the end of this post.

The longer the primary fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama stretches out, the more it will weaken the fundraising capacity of the Democratic National Committee, a crucial source of financial and staff support for the general election nominee.

While energized rank and file Democrats have turned out in record numbers, the DNC, nevertheless, ended 2007 nearly broke, after embarking on two expensive projects -- the building of a national voter file and a 50-state staffing program -- according to reports filed at the Federal Election Commission.

DNC chair Howard Dean has not been able to transfer the fundraising prowess he demonstrated during his 2004 presidential bid to the national party.

Some sources said many donors stopped contributing in retaliation for the failure of the newly elected Democratic House and Senate majorities to stop, or force major cutbacks, in the war in Iraq. In addition, many of the donors Dean brought in during the 2004 campaign have transferred their loyalties to Obama.

That leaves unexplained, however, why the Democratic Senatorial and Congressional Committees are breaking all records, while the DNC has effectively stagnated.

The DNC's bottom line, according to most experts, will not improve significantly until the party settles on a nominee. Once that happens, many donors, if past history is a guide, will give to the DNC to boost prospects of taking over the White House.

At the moment, however, both the Obama and Clinton campaigns are gearing up for the fight to continue at least until early June when the last primary is scheduled, and perhaps all the way to the August convention in Denver.

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The delay could prove particularly damaging to Obama, if he wins the nomination, because he is considering taking a limited amount of public money to finance his general election campaign. If he does take public money, he will be looking to the DNC to provide hundreds of millions of dollars to help pay for both staff in battleground states and for pro-Democratic radio and television advertising.

Clinton has made it clear that she is very likely to reject public financing if nominated. Even so, she would be looking to the DNC to raise cash. Donors who have "maxed out" to either Clinton or Obama, by giving a total of $4600 to be split between the primary and the general elections, can still give as much as another $25,000 directly to the party committee.

The importance to the DNC of settling on a nominee early was clearly demonstrated in 2004. Then, John Kerry effectively won the nomination in March.

In February and March of that year, DNC receipts were a modest $5.7 million and $6.6 million, respectively. In April 2004, with a nominee in place, the cash flow nearly tripled to $16.2 million. By August, it was at $27.6 million, and by October it reached $63 million. Overall, for 2003-4, the DNC raised a massive $360.6 million.

By the end of 2007, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee had a net balance (cash on hand minus debts) of $33.7 million. The DSCC had a net of $27.9 million. Both of these committees raised substantially more than their Republican Congressional and Senatorial counterparts, and began 2008 with millions more dollars to spend on the election.

Alone among Democratic committees, the DNC has been substantially bettered by its Republican counterpart, the RNC. The RNC raised $85.7 million in 2007 to the DLC's $54.8 million, and had a net cash balance at the start of 2008 of $17.3 million compared to the DLC's $730,000.

In January, according to Stacy Paxton, DNC spokeswoman, the flow of contributions improved modestly with the beginning of the primaries and caucuses, pushing the balance in the bank up to $3.3 million as of February 1.

At the same time in 2004, the DNC was in a significantly better cash position with over $10 million in the bank.

Paxton argued that the cash balance does not take into account the creation of a nationwide field staff assembled through Dean's "50 state program" -- financing four staffers in each state, at a cost of up to $10 million annually.

In addition, Paxton said, the DNC has developed and refined a national voter list at a cost of more than $10 million.

Others, including Democratic House Caucus chair Rahm Emanuel, have been sharply critical of the 50-state program, arguing that it is a waste of valuable resources in many states that will never vote for a Democratic presidential candidate.

Some of Dean's harshest critics are now top advisers to the Clinton campaign.

Neither Clinton nor Obama, however, wants to do anything to offend Dean at this moment, because his decisions could play a crucial role both in determining whether the disputed Florida and Michigan delegations will be seated, and in shaping the debate over the potentially decisive role of "superdelegates" in picking the nominee.

Asked to comment on the currently weak position of the DNC, Howard Wolfson, Clinton's communication director, said "Democrats are incredibly energized and both candidates are raising record amounts. Money is not going to be problem for the DNC."

Top aides to Obama declined to comment.

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DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon: "A few points were missing from today's post by Thomas Edsall and Amanda Michel, "Drawn-Out Primary Fight Will Weaken Crucial DNC Fundraising Efforts." First, make no mistake, the DNC will have the resources to compete and win in November. We raised $8.5 million more in 2007 than in 2003, and in January, we raised $5 million and retired all but $250,000 of the debt the DNC took on to help take back the House and Senate in 2006. What's different this year is that the DNC is making early investments in infrastructure and technology so our nominee can hit the ground running. One key lesson learned from past presidential elections was the importance of making early investments in infrastructure, planning and staff. It's true that fundraising hasn't taken off as it will once we have a nominee. Our strong Democratic candidates are raising record amounts, which may limit contributions to the DNC now, but will create more opportunities to raise record amounts once we have a nominee."

DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon issued a response to this article, which you can find at the end of this post. The longer the primary fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama stretches out,...
DNC Executive Director Tom McMahon issued a response to this article, which you can find at the end of this post. The longer the primary fight between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama stretches out,...
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- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 54 fans permalink

Any time either Clinton are involved in anything, it devolves into a food fight. The Democratic Party has had enough of that kind of behavior. Let's elevate ourselves to a higher field of play. The Clintons are so old politics, so divisive, so argumentative to no end. I'm sick of it. I'm not going back to the '90s when it was a scandal or sleaze per day coming out of the White House. They have given us a preview of just what life will be like with them back in power, and it's not a pretty sight. Another round of Clintons in power would be the end of the Democratic Party for a long, long time. Her acquiesence to the scuttering of our constitutional rights is downright spooky.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:56 AM on 02/19/2008
- zozosmom I'm a Fan of zozosmom 3 fans permalink

What right-wing Republcian talking-point nonsense. Just becasue half of the people support Clinton, SHE is DIVISIVE. You people love to pretend that all these people haven't actually VOTED for her. She is still in the race because she has SUPPORT. Your arrogance and sense of entitlement will not win you the voted of Clinton supporters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:56 AM on 02/19/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 67 fans permalink
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As I see it, it's not the Clintons that have given us a preview, but the MEDIA who are manipulaton you and many others and your opinion. I wish that more of you would get it. The big story out there should be that the Republicans are all fractured and falling apart -- they had a bunch of losers for candidates and have ended up with an old, depressed -- and not very healthy candidate. I have my doubts that he will survive the next 9 months let alone 4 to 8 years in the White House. But are you hearing any of this? I am with those who hope that the Democratic candidate who is most likely to win in November gets the nomination. But can't you see how the MEDIA is spinning this back and forth, back and forch, dangling a string in front of us and then pulling it back. The Republicans have not only fractured their own party and the country, but now they have the Dems at each others throats too. And this is what they are dreaming will bring them another win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/19/2008
- Clarabell I'm a Fan of Clarabell 67 fans permalink
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It's probably obvious, but I meant manipulating. But I would like to add one more thing. Isn't what the Clintons are doing, trying to get elected and give us a choice, whay democracy is all about. Is it good that all of the other candidates pulled out before they even had a chance to compete because they were ignored by the MEDIA and didn't have the money? Kerry was criticized for sitting back and letting himself be swiftboated, but if he had fought the proper fight, he would have been called a whiner, a bad sport, and a crybaby -- and look what we ended up with -- a NIGHTMARE.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 02/19/2008

Time to go Hillary. You're bringing the party down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 02/19/2008

"Hillary's messing up our high"

The Obama camp in a nutshell. She's also winning the support of half the democratic party. It's the Obama campaign's totalitarian immaturity that is undermining the party's chances of winning in the general election

Clinton/Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/19/2008

If she quits now, gracefully, maybe he'll consider her for Secretary of State. In the unlikely scenario that she can still win (without moving the goal posts), he would be politically naive to accept a role as her running mate since she'll get trounced in November.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:08 PM on 02/19/2008
- zozosmom I'm a Fan of zozosmom 3 fans permalink

From where I'm standing OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE KILLING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. People like you are a disgrace. She has the support of HALF THE VOTERS. Screw you for acting like those supporters don't count. Should Obama get the nomination, he will need every last one of us. Right now, he and his supporters are guaranteeing we will be writing her name in if we have to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/19/2008

Actually, I was for Edwards but would have been supportive of Hillary had she won, even though I've always had apprehensions about her being able to win enough moderates in a General Election. The point is, barring a miracle or "meddling", she cannot win the nomination so why destroy the party and its chances in November ? Show some grace and leadership.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 02/19/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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1 million more people have voted/caucused for him over her. He has the popular vote and is supported by far more than her. She will destroy the Democratic party if she is given the nomination by Superdelegates when he has overwhelmingly won the popular vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 02/19/2008
- messy I'm a Fan of messy 38 fans permalink
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The DNC can get away with denying Barry the nomination only if they deny it to Hillary at the same time and going with the person behind door number three.

Face it, Hillary CANNOT win at this point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/19/2008
- zozosmom I'm a Fan of zozosmom 3 fans permalink

Neither can Obama. Neither will actually achieve the delegate count that puts them over the top. But Obama people act like this fact means that HE wins. Where does this sense of entitlement come from?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:22 PM on 02/19/2008

...you mean like " inevitability " type of entitlement ????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:07 PM on 02/19/2008

Clinton wouldn't, as this article asserts, rely on the DNC for funding, she's always relied on the DLC. She's their creature, they're her backers. Republican-not-so-light.

Interestingly, her campaign has gone negative in ads, in a big way. Given all Bill's speechifying about how a campaign against McCain would be "the most civil in history", I guess she reserves her bile for anyone who dares to be more of a Democrat than she is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/19/2008

Hillary would have to be way way behind in delegates to consider dropping out at this point. Same goes for Obama.

The reasons are simple. First, neither is really qualified to do anything else. One of them might convince a plurality of stupid people to vote for them, but its not like either could get a real job after dropping out. If Hillary does get the nomination Obama will just start campaigning for the next election.

Second, neither of them really cares about their party. They just want power for themselves, and if they cant have it they dont really care if it goes to the GOP. That might even be better for them, giving both another 4 years to whine and cry about how evil republicans are without having to take responsibility for anything.

Contrast this to Romney. He could have easily kept running. He personally dislikes McCain, and the two have serious policy differences. But Romney is both qualified to do something besides run for president, and he is principled enough to see McCain as preferable to the DNC alternatives. Romney didnt crave power enough to take his party down with him.

http://tinyurl.com/32kdf6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/19/2008

A job??? Are you nuts? For one thing, Hillary is a lawyer. She is still a US senator, and she could make millions on the speaking circuit. You think Hillary's running because she needs a job????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Same for obama, he doesn't need a job. He too is a lawyer, and a senator. He would never be out of work.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 02/19/2008

Hillary's experience as a professional lawyer is limited to the Rose law firm. She was hired there after her husband became att.gen. of AR, then made a partner after he became governor.

Rose is a well respected firm, but its worth noting what happened to the two partners with whom she worked. Governor Bill Clinton made Rose partner Webster Hubbell AK State Supreme Court Chief Justice. President Clinton, alling Hubbell his "closest friend" made him Associate Att General of the United States in 1993. In 1995 Hubbell pled guilty to mail fraud and tax evasion and was sentenced to 21 months prison.

The other Rose partner with whom Hillary worked was Vincent Foster, appointed White House Chief Council. 6 months into Clinton's first administration Foster put a gun in his mouth (and pulled the trigger) after being subpoenaed in the Whitewater investigation.

Oh, and she failed the Washington DC bar. Twice.

Do you seriously think she is qualified to be anyone's lawyer? Has she ever had a job that wasnt a direct result of her (pretend) husband's political career?

I do agree that she could "make millions on the speaking circuit". This will be true as long as the clintons have some political influence, and as long as that influence is for sale.

Just like Mexico - some dimwit becomes president, then 5 years after he leaves office he's one of the richest people in the country. Hillary is qualified to make a living after leaving elected office to the exact same extent that the United States Federal Government resembles that of Mexico or any other 3rd world kleptocracy.

http://dirckthenoorman.com/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:43 AM on 02/26/2008
- zozosmom I'm a Fan of zozosmom 3 fans permalink

Romney was LOSING!!!! He didn't have the votes of HALF OF HIS PARTY. The problem we have is real and it was created by the DNC becasue they decided it was more important to suck up to Iowa and New Hamphire than to let the voters of MI and FL have their say. I blame the DNC for this mess and they will pay for it when Obama loses the general election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 02/19/2008
- kellygrrrl I'm a Fan of kellygrrrl 642 fans permalink
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for the life of me, after the National Nightmare we have experienced for 7 years, I cannot imagine why Dems are bickering and bashing each other. We are turning into a very dysfunctional family, and we all need to focus on the Real Race which is fast approaching.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:19 AM on 02/19/2008

Let me explain it to you, kellygrrrl. It's because of the last 7 years. You see, we've had enough of it, and we don't want Clinton to masquerade as a Democrat and serve us 8 more years of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 02/19/2008

You are no democrat.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:47 AM on 02/19/2008

The MSM is largely responsible for all the bickering. They would rather intervene and screw up the election, in favor of ratings, instead of honestly and accurately reporting. The talking heads have distorted this election beyond all recognition.
I sincerely hope that when a democratic nominee is chosen, this in-fighting among dems will cease. If we have dems that are such Hillary haters, if she gets the nomination, we could lose precious votes. Same for obama, but Hillary supporters are willing to vote for obama if he gets the nomination. I wish I could say the same for obama supporters if Hillary gets the nomination. But you are absolutely correct, we need to pull together as democrats if we want the white house back.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 02/19/2008
- zozosmom I'm a Fan of zozosmom 3 fans permalink

Okay, chipmaster, you realize your rabid Hillary hatred divisiveness is actully proving kellygrrl's point?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 02/19/2008
- maxy I'm a Fan of maxy 2 fans permalink

Every woman has a desire to wear a skirt or dress, suit (with skirt) every once in a while. If this is true about Hillary; I'm not knocking it. It just needs to be added to the pile of shit that she is throwing around. This also explains some of Bills' behavior now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:05 AM on 02/19/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

Finally we have the proof of the BIG FARCE that is Barack Obama. High falutin' speeches stolen from here there and every where, and running away from debating the true issue. The longer this race goes on the more will be revealed of this obnoxious fairy tale. Pier the Piper!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 AM on 02/19/2008
- opie I'm a Fan of opie permalink

The article began as a story about Howard Dean wanting a early selection of the Dem nominee in order to get the Democratic coffers replenished--and the comments turn into the usual H & O baiting.

If the DNC wants to do something for the "party" and win the election, they ought to agree to a 16 year power-sharing agreement. Coin-toss as to whether Hillary or Obama gets to go to the top of the ticket; at the end of the term, the President resigns and turns around to accept a spot as the VP nominee in the next election cycle while the former VP gets the top of the ticket. Repeat during the next election cycle; everybody gets two terms---which is about what it will take to clean up the Godawful-mess Bush has made of this country. Almost every Dem I talk to says the combined H & O ticket is better than one or the other, but nobody thinks it is feasible owing to egos. Do let the DNC do the work of the Superego for a change and earn its keep.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:59 AM on 02/19/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

Send BO to Kenya as Ambassador...he'll be able to preach to all of Africa, and make some converts. Maybe he'll be able to persuade the Africans to accept the AFRICOM military bases on their soil, because for the time being they are saying NO, in block!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/19/2008

They can't do that. Only the voters can decide that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/19/2008
- flashlight I'm a Fan of flashlight 3 fans permalink

Come on Clinton, we need a new "scandal" already.

Toughen this guy up for the general election. If he keeps rising through two or three more of these clinton-spun scandals, he'll be ready for the real swiftboaters in the general.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:57 AM on 02/19/2008

To Howard Dean:

If the superdelegates override the popular vote, I will cancel my Democracy Bonds.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:35 AM on 02/19/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

Please do...the Repugs are desperately seeking converts!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:34 AM on 02/19/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 74 fans permalink
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Someone ought to remind Dean that he's not the dictator of the DNC. They are there to help us elect a democratic national candidate and then help them win the general election. His finance woes need to be addressed, but to blame a "dragged out primary" is way wrong. Dean seems to be good at small, focused stuff, but the big pic seems to be beyond his grasp. Lets get our senior democrats to "help" him understand his mission.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/19/2008

Anyone else but me sick of these two?

Anyone else change their party affiliation from Dem to No Preference?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 AM on 02/19/2008

I am sick of the Obamanics in particular. Hillary had a great deal of support before he entered the race and his manic followers have done everything to tear her down. What goes around comes around so don't expect my sympathy if he gets the nomination and they start tearing him down. He deserves it and I may be "decline to state" soon after he is given the nomination. I refuse to belong to a party that professes to be progressive but allows republicans to help choose it's nominee, and worse, stands idly by while he and his manics delare that replublicans voting for him is a good sign. Bull SH*T!!! They just want to defeat Hillary and Bill and they are getting a lot of help from a lot of disloyal dems. In my sadness all I can say is goodbye and don't call me for my votes or any more money!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/19/2008

BradKnSF... did you ever consider that the reason that "Obamanics", as you call them, irritate you so much, it's because they keep reminding you (with good reason) that Hillary is a "disloyal Democrat"?

Besides, how will Hillary fight McCain and the Republicans on the war and corruption (their 2 most vulnerable points), when she has no room to talk on either topic?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 02/19/2008
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

Brad:

The Dems did this on purpose. They don't want a strong president, they're afraid for their own power. Dick Durbin got the idea to draft Obama and take the AA vote away from Hillary, split the Dem votes right down the middle. See, if Obama wins, Durbin and Ted Kennedy will be president, two people who could never run on their own.

That's your Democratic Party in action. They should all be kicked out.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 02/19/2008

You are no democrat, and I suspect you never were.

To all dems; vote for the dem nominee. It's the only way to take back the white house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/19/2008
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

Yes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 02/19/2008
- SaintZak I'm a Fan of SaintZak 22 fans permalink

My guess. If Clinton loses tonight in Wisconsin there will begin definite behind the scenes moves to force her out. If Obama takes Texas or Ohio she's finished. The Deomcratic party won't let this go on til June or the convention.

Most likely Obama wins Wisconsin tonight and takes either Texas or Ohio. Al Gore, Bill Richardson and Joe Biden will endorse him. Nancy Pelosi will signal her support and there will be a hemmorrage of Clinton's super delegates rushing to Obama.

I really don't see this going on much longer.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 02/19/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 74 fans permalink
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Spoken like a true Obama supporter. Lots of ifs in that "analysis"...Of course if you wish doesn't come true and the American, democratic voters choose Senator Clinton, then will there be a reversal of your torrential rush to judgement?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 02/19/2008

Well let's look at how things ARE right now:

Obama needs 45% of the remaining pledged delegates to win the most. Hillary needs 55-58% depending on what delegate estimates you look at.

Obama needs four more wins in the next 16 state contests to have the most states. Hillary needs 14.

Obama is leading the popular vote by about 800,000.

It is mathmatically possible for Hillary to come ahead but it would require a monumental shift in public opinion. If that were the case Clinton would have to do something incredible to support her case. If that becomes the case, maybe I would choose her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:14 AM on 02/19/2008

Barack should do the right thing and accpet the VP slot. He's got a great future if he and his followers can dump their egos for the good of the democratic party.


Clinton/Obama 08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/19/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

No he should be Ambassador to the UN...he may be able to bring the Chinese, Russians & Iranians around to our way of doing things...like bombing Pakistan.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 02/19/2008

He is winning. Why accept second? If it is about waiting your turn Hillary should have dropped out to support Dodd or Biden.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:15 AM on 02/19/2008

" Barack should do the right thing and accpet the VP slot." - agedefying (See profile | I'm a fan of agedefying)

...Why would he do that ?...Did Gore just enter the race ?? :)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:48 PM on 02/19/2008
- Ndri789 I'm a Fan of Ndri789 2 fans permalink

ONLY IN YOUR DREAMS.....DREAM ON DREAMER!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 AM on 02/19/2008
- Esgarqui I'm a Fan of Esgarqui 2 fans permalink

It's not the primary fight, or the fight for delegates and superdelegates that is weakening DNC capacity to fundraise. You have to add the Michigan/Florida pending decision from DNC. Many think their decision will favor Hillary Clinton, and people do not trust DNC. Fundraising will increase once they observe the rules they established and to which both candidates agreed. Decide Michigan/Florida the way it's supposed to be, OBSERVING AND OBEYING PARTY RULES.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:49 AM on 02/19/2008
- finally I'm a Fan of finally 2 fans permalink

URGENT QUESTION RE PARTY RULES: Politico is reporting CLinton will go after Obama's PLEDGED (yes, the ELECTED) delegates at the convention.... I know she would try, as she will do anything and proves it daily, but COULD THIS REALLY HAPPEN?????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 AM on 02/19/2008

I don't know if it can happen or not.

However it is apparent that the clintons are the dirtiest motherf*ckers in politics and will do absolutely anything - lie, cheat, steal, sell American security, Vince Foster, smear, slander - ANYTHING to get bill back in the white house.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:27 AM on 02/19/2008
- apcalc I'm a Fan of apcalc 2 fans permalink

Check this out

new poll on realclearpolitics.com

In Florida -
McCain beats Hillary by a few, and Obama by 16

you don't think we need them?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:46 AM on 02/19/2008
- tkk I'm a Fan of tkk permalink

One can only hope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:13 AM on 02/19/2008

THIS JUST CANT BE TRUE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY
Bimbo Eruptions??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:50 AM on 02/19/2008
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