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Obama Wins Wis. Primary, Hawaii Caucus

DAVID ESPO | February 20, 2008 04:02 AM EST | AP

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WASHINGTON — Barack Obama cruised past a fading Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Wisconsin primary and Hawaii caucuses Tuesday night, gaining the upper hand in a Democratic presidential race for the ages.

The twin triumphs made 10 straight for Obama, and left the former first lady in desperate need of a comeback in a race she long commanded as front-runner.

"The change we seek is still months and miles away," Obama told a boisterous crowd in Houston in a speech in which he also pledged to end the war in Iraq in his first year in office.

"I opposed this war in 2002. I will bring this war to an end in 2009. It is time to bring our troops home," he declared.

Sen. John McCain, the Republican front-runner, won a pair of primaries, in Wisconsin and Washington, to continue his march toward certain nomination.

In a race growing increasingly negative, Obama cut deeply into Clinton's political bedrock in Wisconsin, splitting the support of white women almost evenly with her. According to polling place interviews, he also ran well among working class voters in the blue collar battleground that was prelude to primaries in the larger industrial states of Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Clinton made no mention of her defeat, and showed no sign of surrender in an appearance in Youngstown, Ohio.

"Both Senator Obama and I would make history," the New York senator said. "But only one of us is ready on day one to be commander in chief, ready to manage our economy, and ready to defeat the Republicans. Only one of us has spent 35 years being a doer, a fighter and a champion for those who need a voice."

In a clear sign of their relative standing in the race, most cable television networks abruptly cut away from coverage of Clinton's rally when Obama began to speak in Texas.

McCain won the Republican primary with ease, dispatching former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and edging closer to the 1,191 delegates he needs to clinch the GOP nomination at the party convention in St. Paul, Minn. next summer. The Arizona senator also won the primary in Washington, with 19 delegates at stake.

In scarcely veiled criticism of Obama, the Republican nominee-in-waiting said, "I will fight every moment of every day in this campaign to make sure that Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change."

McCain's nomination has been assured since Super Tuesday three weeks ago, as first one, then another of his former rivals has dropped out and the party establishment has closed ranks behind him.

Not so in the Democratic race, where Obama and Clinton campaign seven days a week, he the strongest black presidential candidate in history, she bidding to become the first woman to sit in the White House.

Ohio and Texas vote next on March 4 _ 370 convention delegates in all _ and even some of Clinton's supporters concede she must win one, and possibly both, to remain competitive. Two smaller states, Vermont and Rhode Island, also have primaries that day.

With the votes counted in more than 80 percent of Wisconsin's precincts, Obama was winning 58 percent of the vote to 41 percent for Clinton.

Wisconsin offered 74 national convention delegates. There were 20 delegates at stake in Hawaii, where Obama spent much of his youth.

Washington Democrats voted in a primary, too, but their delegates were picked earlier in the month in cacuses won by Obama.

The Illinois senator's Wisconsin victory left him with 1,303 delegates in The Associated Press' count, compared with 1,233 for Clinton, a margin that masks his 145-delegate lead among those picked in primaries or caucuses. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination at the party's national convention in Denver.

Obama's victory came after a week in which Clinton and her aides tried to knock him off stride. They criticized him in television commercials and accused him of plagiarism for using words first uttered by Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a friend. He shrugged off the advertising volley, and said that while he should have given Patrick credit, the controversy didn't amount to much.

The voters seemed not to care.

Wisconsin independents cast about one-quarter of the ballots in the race between Obama and Clinton, and roughly 15 percent of the electorate were first-time voters, the survey at polling places said. Obama has run strongly among independents in earlier primaries, and among younger voters, and cited their support as evidence that he would make a stronger general election candidate in the fall.

Obama began the evening with eight straight primary and caucus victories, a remarkable run that has propelled him past Clinton in the overall delegate race and enabled him to chip away at her advantage among elected officials within the party who will have convention votes as superdelegates.

The economy and trade were key issues in the race, and seven in 10 voters said international trade has resulted in lost jobs in Wisconsin. Fewer than one in five said trade has created more jobs than it has lost.

The Democrats' focus on trade was certain to intensify, with primaries in Ohio in two weeks and in Pennsylvania on April 22.

Obama's campaign has already distributed mass mailings critical of Clinton on the issue in Ohio. "Bad trade deals like NAFTA hit Ohio harder than most states. Only Barack Obama consistently opposed NAFTA," it said.

Clinton's aides initially signaled she would virtually concede Wisconsin, and the former first lady spent less time in the state than Obama.

Even so, she ran a television ad that accused her rival of ducking a debate in the state and added that she had the only health care plan that would cover all Americans and the only economic plan to stop home foreclosures. "Maybe he'd prefer to give speeches than have to answer questions" the commercial said.

Obama countered with an ad of his own, saying his health care plan would cover more people.

Unlike the Democratic race, McCain was assured of the Republican nomination and concentrated on turning his primary campaign into a general election candidacy.

In one sign of progress in unifying the party, he split the conservative vote with Huckabee in Wisconsin.

Huckabee parried occasional suggestions _ none of them by McCain _ that he quit the race. In a move that was unorthodox if not unprecedented for a presidential contender, he left the country in recent days to make a paid speech in the Grand Cayman Islands.

McCain picked up endorsements in the days before the primary from former President George H.W. Bush and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a campaign dropout who urged his 280 delegates to swing behind the party's nominee-to-be.


 
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The work horse, campaigned a day and a half in Wisconsin. And she says Obama is all show. Talk about fairy tales!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

We are no electing a campaigner­... that's just dumb.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/19/2008

Obama blamed Clinton's "hollering at Republicans and engaging in petty partisan politics" for the failure of the health care initiative she spearheaded in her husband's administration.

This statement shows either an incredible level of hypocrisy on Obama's part or a level of naivete that boggles the mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008
- specultr I'm a Fan of specultr 6 fans permalink

It also shows an incredible amount of misinformation on your part.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 02/19/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

If you support Hillary: it's not the best strategy to bring up her 1993 healthcare fiasco

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:26 PM on 02/19/2008

We would have a national health care system right now if Hillary had not taken an "it's my way or the highway" attitude with Congress when Bill Clinton put her in charge of the project. The GOP was ready at that time to move forward with a new health care program. She should have dealt with them. She didn't. Hence no health care and now the GOP is not in favor of the whole thing.

We need someone who can talk and deal on both sides of the aisle. Obama will do that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/19/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

I'm going with both. Obama is basically the Jimmy carter cnadidate. The GOP are in teh same situation as they were in 75 after Watergate where they need to help prop up the weakest Dem candidate so they either (a) manage tyo retain the whitehouse despite all odds, or (b) if they lose, put in place a spineless wishy washy president that they can dump on for 4 years and propel themselves to another 12 year stint.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 PM on 02/19/2008

Hilary Clinton is using a scorched earth policy - if she can't be the nominee, she will destroy Obama's chances in the general election. Someone needs to sit down with the woman and explain that if she looses the pledged delegate vote and the popular vote, it over. No more dirty campaigns, dirty tricks, politics of personal destruction aimed at the other guy. No more stealing pledged delegates, manipulating super delegates, trying to change the rules in Florida and Michigan. No more Hilary!!! Either you win or you don't - it would reflect better on you if you could respect the Democratic Party and the process enough to abide by the wishes of the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Neither can win without the supers. Has Obama said he will accept their decision? Nope.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008

I'm tired of the politics as usual that we have seen with Bush and Company. When Hillary tries to do the same I get just as angry. We are country of rules and laws. The DNC told both Florida and Michigan their delegates would not be seated if they moved their primary and they did just that. They knew the consequences of their actions. Hillary, Obama, both signed onto the DNC contract. That should be it. Hillary now is trying to pull a George W. Bush and get the rules changed in her favor. That's slimey, folks. I want fairness in my next president - I'm tired of slimey!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:42 PM on 02/19/2008
- misterbone I'm a Fan of misterbone 18 fans permalink

Hillary's campaign is nothing more than smoke and mirrors at this stage. The media has been totally suckered by her supposed determination to see it through to the convention. This BS is nothing more than a bluff, to keep her chances alive in Wisconsin. Otherwise, she wouldn't be able to persuade even her base support to bother to vote. Truth be told, Wisconsin is her last stand. If she loses it, she will have to concede. She's not stupid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/19/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Don't knock smoke and mirrors. Obama's entire campaign has been nothing but smoke and mirrors to hide his lack of substance and plagerism. it's working for him (at least with his fanatical 20% cult).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:55 PM on 02/19/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

You don't know much about politics, do you? and BTW, Obama has practiced some pretty dirty politics. Most notably in his ILL races. Stepping on long serving blacks to elbow them out of the way all the way to leaking the divorce papers of one of his opponents. Oh yes, Obama has all the dirty trick well tried and tested. Google Taylor Marsh pod cast of the culinary workers being coerced to vote for Obama or be denied access to the caucus. Now that's dirty and illegal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/19/2008

If she can't pardon Bush, she'll make sure McCain can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/19/2008
- Monrocsol I'm a Fan of Monrocsol 5 fans permalink

One minor detail to your equation: Clinto/Obama 08!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:15 PM on 02/19/2008
- williamg I'm a Fan of williamg 251 fans permalink
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That will never happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Obama/Webb

or

Obama/Edwards

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008

You know, the deadline to get your name on the ballot as an independent is coming up rather quickly.

If Hillary keeps intimating that she is willing to "steal" the election, Obama will almost certainly be forced to go nuclear.

The DNC would do good to check HRC and her antics and rally the establishment behind the clear People's Choice candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Why would they want to throw the general?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 PM on 02/19/2008
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So she can make a run in 2012.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/19/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

Obama is certainly not my choice. Or the choice of 80% of the Dem party. He's the clear choice of his 20% base who can skew small caucus state votes But that's about it. Mr. twenty-percenter is suicide for the dems. He's Mccain's best chance of a win.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 PM on 02/19/2008

Thanks for the info. As an independent voter, this helps me realize how lost the Democratic party is. Guess I will be voting Republican this year.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/19/2008
- bauersox I'm a Fan of bauersox 4 fans permalink

Bingo! Absolutely correct. That's exactly what's been going on here, and it's going to bring us at least four more years of GOP wreckage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:52 PM on 02/19/2008
- cblcar I'm a Fan of cblcar 6 fans permalink

Let's hear it for all women. Hillary '08 by Martina McBride

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9z-Aatd0wA

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/19/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Let's not, but tell everyone that we did.

Let's hear it for the best candidate REGARDLESS of gender: Barack Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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And how on earth did you reach that conclusion? Let me guess, Yes you can?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/19/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

The best candidate for 20% of the population, maybe. it's a shame he has done everything in his power to alienate the other 80% though.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:46 PM on 02/19/2008
- Pyrum I'm a Fan of Pyrum 33 fans permalink

Let's hear it for the best candidate, period. Ron Paul!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:20 PM on 02/19/2008
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Let's hear it for all women who are not being intimidated into voting for Clinton simply because she is a woman!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/19/2008
- specultr I'm a Fan of specultr 6 fans permalink

free women?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Let's hear it for women voting the same way as their husbands. Hurray! Feminism is officially dead!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:54 PM on 02/19/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

Hmmm, could probably sort of change that statement to reflect another group but then I am sure I would be considered a racist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:23 PM on 02/19/2008
- bauersox I'm a Fan of bauersox 4 fans permalink

It's possible to intimidate delegates, and it's certainly possible to intimidate caucus voters, but it's not possible to intimidate women or anybody else in a secret ballot vote.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:55 PM on 02/19/2008
- PODdem I'm a Fan of PODdem 2 fans permalink

Would having gone through childbirth be a positive for being a president.­Would it bring another Perspective to the job, in matters of family,mothers and health?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 PM on 02/19/2008
- denver I'm a Fan of denver 5 fans permalink

Lets hear it for all the african americans who are voting for Obama only because he is black!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/19/2008

Or because Bill Clinton threw away three decades of mutual respect and affection to win a primary!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/19/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

Or because Obama is not a war monger like his two competitors.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 02/19/2008

This video you've linked is an example of shameless, blatently SEXIST gender baiting. There is no rationale here for why a woman should vote for Hillary. Obama is no less a progressive feminist than Hillary Clinton. This video is unadulterated identity politics. Do you see Obama videos "for the black boys" or even just "for the boys", for that matter? That would sound silly, hah? So does "this one's for the girls." It's tragically pathetic. And if primary voting women were fools it would also be expedient, considering that the majority of Democrat voters are women. But they're not fools, and this identity-based propaganda is patently insulting to their intelligence. It says "Here I am! I'm a woman; you're a woman! Vote purely on the basis of gender solidarity! I'm taking you COMPLETELY FOR GRANTED!"
African American voters didn't automatically side with Obama from the outset---Hillary LED among them in SC for most of last year. Once Obama demonstrated his competitiveness among white voters in Iowa/NH (i.e., his electability), there was a trend toward him among African Americans in which racial identification (PLUS competitiveness and content of character) no doubt played a role. (However, say in some fantasy world that it was Clinton vs. Clarence Thomas for prez in the general---I bet Thomas would get less than 20% of the black vote.)
Once Hillary, Bill, and their surrogates began their racially-tinged rhetoric, that's when the African American vote became firmly consolidated. What the Clintons didn't bet on was that it turned off some white voters too, rather than consolidating them toward Clinton. So with negative race-baiting a failure, they turn more and more to overt, "positive" gender baiting. It's Clinton who claims openly that both herself and Obama personify change by virtue of their gender and "race" alone, respectively, and without any consideration to "content of character" [I need to attribute Dr. MLK Jr. here so I don't get charged with plagiarism]---and she hopes that voters vote on this basis. It's disgusting.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:50 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Woah! I thought the word was they are both so wonderful? If that is the case then the only way to decide is with identity politics. It is what Obama is hoping for, since black women will likely go with color over gender.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:56 PM on 02/19/2008

How 'bout Obama/Edwards ....

Enough of these phony Bush - Clinton Regimes. Enough of those who think they are entitled.

Her backing of Bush on so many policies will be business in America as usual. Most of the Libs that I know cannot handle that shrill voice already ... imagine 4 years of her barking.

The GOP's ONLY hope is that of Hillary at the helm of the Dem ticket.

Just say Adios Hillary ... Adios Bill ... Adios Chelsea. Enough is quite enough.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Yes, that voice. Maybe if she had a bigger adam's apple and a penis, you could see your way to supporting her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 02/19/2008
- specultr I'm a Fan of specultr 6 fans permalink

If she cries again, hell, I'll vote for her.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 02/19/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 43 fans permalink

see that's the problem with you feminist fucks. i'd love to see a woman prez . . . as soon as there's one running with the organizational skills, temperament, integrity, honor and wisdom as barack obama.

i promise you it is not a gender issue and as soon as a woman i can believe in runs i will throw my 50+ yo white mail passion behind her adamantly -- but hillary is a neo-con troll. if you had a clue about real issues or history or record you would know this. but you won't even take the time to become informed because you are part of the myopic "i am woman hear me roar us down the shitter" cult.

why don't you join the "human" race and knock off the gender/race "victim" bullshit?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:19 PM on 02/19/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

It's not a gender issue, it's a corrupt, power-hungry, dynastic, creep issue.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:31 PM on 02/19/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Watch for an Edwards backing of Obama in time for TX/PA, etc.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:07 PM on 02/19/2008
- Monrocsol I'm a Fan of Monrocsol 5 fans permalink

You may have to include Obamain your Adios too! If you want to say Adios to the White House in 08, keep talking like that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/19/2008
- in4success I'm a Fan of in4success 43 fans permalink

personally, i'd rather see edwards as atty general . . . but i must admit i'm losing respect for him day by day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 PM on 02/19/2008
- wyorange I'm a Fan of wyorange 6 fans permalink

Sort of agree with the Adios.

As a supporter of Sen. Clinton, if she is not the nominee of the democratic party, I think she and Pres. Clinton should endorse the democratic nominee and then shortly after step totally away from politics with Sen. Clinton resigning as her senate position.

Don't see it happening, but I would like to see both of them just work on Pres. Clinton's foundation, no more campaigning for candidates and speeches at conventions, etc. Both of them would leave politics with a positive legacy and probably receive a lot more support from the international community in helping with HIV in Africa than either receives from the democratic party.

Sort of amazes me how a good part of the democratic party has morphed into republican-like Clinton haters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:50 PM on 02/19/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

No, the Clintons have morphed into Rethug-like, machine politicians. (Oops, no, they did not morph; they were always power-hungry sell outs.)

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/19/2008
- jojojo I'm a Fan of jojojo 9 fans permalink

She voted to let Bush start the war. She has voted since to continue it. How different is her voting record on the war from McCain's?

End of story, for me, without even getting into the racism she has alowed to infect her campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:59 AM on 02/19/2008
- EinChicago I'm a Fan of EinChicago 33 fans permalink

And Obama has not seen an Iraq funding vote he didn't like and support. Your point is?

Obama is a major case of do as I say not as I do. His anti-war ceredentials are pure bogus. he has said he opposed the war out opf one side of his mouth and consistently voted to fund it at every turn out of the other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:47 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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The Obama campaign is the perfect combination of white guilt and misogyny.

I think we have a winner!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/19/2008
- etc I'm a Fan of etc 2 fans permalink

You mean they.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/19/2008

"I think we have a winner!"

..I think you are a loser..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:14 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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You would, you are probably white and male. no?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 PM on 02/19/2008
- ChiGuy I'm a Fan of ChiGuy 324 fans permalink
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Back those claims please.

Links? Independent thought?

Do you possess either?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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The truth doesn't need links.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 02/19/2008

She's Done. Move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 AM on 02/19/2008
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No, Michelle Obama can recover from that unfortunat comment about having no pride in her country. It should be easy with the MSM on her side.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 02/19/2008

You sound very bitter. Like your boyfriend cheated on you or something. Perhaps you share this in common w/ HRC.

There is no place for these jaded-lover anticts in Presidential politics. I find it quite offensive.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:09 PM on 02/19/2008
- caywen I'm a Fan of caywen 7 fans permalink

The best scenario as I see it is Obama/Clinton 08. With his experience and determination, Obama cleans up the Bush mess. Hillary is in place for carrying the democratic banner forward.

Together - yes we can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:51 AM on 02/19/2008
- GuyFawkes I'm a Fan of GuyFawkes 28 fans permalink

The problem with that is it would be Obama/Clinton/Bill 08. Two for one, remember?

BTW, Obama now tied in Texas in latest poll.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/19/2008
- finally I'm a Fan of finally 2 fans permalink

I'd rather see Sen. Clinton replacing Harry Reid in the senate. We really do need better leadership there, and her many talents seem ultimately more suited for that job than for being president. Favorite Huckster quote: we are not electing someone who can fix the carburator, but someone who can drive the car!
My very favorite pick for VP with Sen. Obama would be Anthony Zinni, ex-marine, general, appointed by Clinton (commander before Franks)and Bush (special envoy the the Middle East) - Vietnam vet, passionate anti-war, early 60-ties, commanding presence, leadership abilities proven, and from the state of PA!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:03 PM on 02/19/2008
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Antony Zinni is a good man. I don't know how that would work out since there has not been a military man for V.P or President in a while.

All I want to say is that I want Gen. Shinsheki for defense secretary. He is no yes man, he is a man of great courage whether in battle or here at home.

Obama, Gen. Shinsheki should be your defense secretary!!!*****

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 02/19/2008

The best scenario as I see it is Clinton/Obama 08. With her experience and determination, Hillary cleans up the Bush mess. Obama is in place for carrying the democratic banner forward.

Together - yes we can.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 AM on 02/19/2008
- cblcar I'm a Fan of cblcar 6 fans permalink

I agree. It would give Obama a superior education on policy which he is sorely lacking. Then in 8 years, no one could accuse him of inexperience.

Hillary/Obama '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 PM on 02/19/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 55 fans permalink
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Makes perfect sense to me, but try explaining it to Michelle Obama who has already told her husband he can only run once. maybe she doesn't want to seem like see is riding his coattails when she makes her bid.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/19/2008
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and if the roles were reversed and this was suggested would you feel the same if not you need to look at why

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 PM on 02/19/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

It is the only way HRC gets to the oval office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 PM on 02/19/2008
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