Clinton Faces Daunting Delegate Deficit

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DAVID ESPO | February 20, 2008 11:07 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., reacts during a campaign stop at the Dodge Arena in Hildago, Texas, Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Obama's victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday _ his ninth and 10th in a row _ left him with 1,178 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses in The Associated Press' count. Clinton has 1,024.

Another 1,025 remain to be awarded, most of them in contests in 14 states, Guam and Puerto Rico. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

Further complicating Clinton's challenge, Obama appears particularly well-positioned to win at least one of the remaining states with ease. Mississippi, with a primary on March 11, fits a pattern of Southern states with large black populations that he has won handily, including South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

The rival campaigns maintain their own delegate counts. And while both agree Obama is the leader, they differ on the significance.

"The only way in this system to amass delegates is to win by big margins. Close races result in close delegate distribution," David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, told reporters in a conference call.

"The only way she can do it is winning states like Ohio 65-35, Texas 65-35, Pennsylvania, you know, 70-30. and you go on and on and on. She'd have to win pretty much all the states, even states where we're considered to have some strength," he added.

Clinton's top aides said Plouffe was deliberately trying to set unrealistically high expectations for the former first lady.

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"We expect to do well in both those states," said Harold Ickes, speaking of Texas and Ohio, which hold primaries on March 4. "But 65 percent is a far reach and there is no expectation here that we're going to hit that number."

"We're in the neighborhood of about 75 delegates behind, that is less that 3 percent of the total number of delegates who have been elected. We expect to narrow that gap substantially by the end of this process," he added.

Obama's lead in delegates won at the ballot box is partially offset by Clinton's advantage among superdelegates _ members of Congress, governors and other party leaders who are unpledged to either candidate. She leads in that category, 238-173, cutting Obama's overall margin to 89 delegates in the AP count.

Superdelegates are free to shift allegiances. And Clinton's recent string of primary and caucuses defeats coincides with a slow erosion of support among the same party leaders who established her as the front-runner months before the first votes were cast.

She has failed to add any since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, while Obama is slowly gaining ground.

The former first lady lost two more superdelegates during the day, both in New Jersey, when one switched to Obama and the other moved to uncommitted.

Additionally, Reps. Lloyd Doggett of Texas and Ron Kind of Wisconsin, both superdelegates, endorsed Obama.

"My constituents overwhelmingly chose Barack Obama to be their nominee, and I am proud to pledge my superdelegate vote to him as well," Kind said in a statement.

Further underscoring Clinton's political peril, Rep. David Scott of Georgia announced he would vote for Obama rather than the former first lady, and Rep. John Lewis said he might switch, as well.

Superdelegates aside, results in earlier states show how difficult Clinton will find it to overtake Obama's lead when the primaries resume in two weeks.

In general, delegates are allocated on the basis of popular votes within congressional districts, and any candidate who gains 15 percent of the vote is entitled to at least one.

Clinton won New Jersey with 54 percent of the vote and Massachusetts with 56 percent on Feb. 5. But because Obama ran relatively well, particularly in some congressional districts, she won the delegate competition by only 28 delegates combined in the two states.

Contrast that to Obama's home state of Illinois, he won slightly less than 65 percent of the vote _ and won 55 more delegates than Clinton.

The contests left on the calendar include primaries in Ohio, Texas, Vermont, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota as well as caucuses in Wyoming, Guam and Puerto Rico. There are 44 delegates unallocated from primaries and caucuses held earlier.

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Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
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Has anyone heard where we are with the New York audit? Anyone have a good source on McCain's involvement with securities and loan scandal from 80's?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:03 AM on 02/21/2008
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Wikipedia - Keating 5

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 AM on 02/21/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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I don't know about New York, but I hear that in California, the percentages for Clinton and Obama are moving slightly toward Obama. It probably won't mean that Obama wins the state, but he will pick up a few delegates. We're still doing some counting here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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If she can't beat him with pledge delegates after March 4th, then we need her to withdraw and stop the nonsense. We need to get on the same page and our general election game faces on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:26 PM on 02/21/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 77 fans permalink

For FOX NEWS to support Hillary over Obama is suspect at best. Hillary is GOP Lite. She brags about her accomplishments and cannot name one. Obama does not attack her, so why is she
resorting to that kind of smear? Sore loser I guess. Seems like she will be the nominee if Bush1 has a sayso in it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 02/21/2008

They want their base to get all excited. Hillary's the last chance for that. And that chance is getting smaller and smaller...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 02/21/2008
- Chandidevi I'm a Fan of Chandidevi 26 fans permalink

To achieve the landslide, they can always do what was done in California and New Hampshire...STEAL THE DAMN THING!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:59 AM on 02/21/2008
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She didn't steal steel those elections....

She benefited in New Hampshire from 2 things.

o No one was ready for her to be defeated so quickly and the women of New Hampshire came to her defense.

o The polls showed Obama with such a large lead that people thought they didn't have to show up to vote for Obama, the independents went over to help McCain instead. Most thought it was all over because polls had him at +13%

She won in California because Hillary was a known quantity and Obama didn't have enough time to campaign there adequeately to impress the democratic electorate. The early voting didn't hurt her either. People voted before they knew they had a viable alternative.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/21/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 61 fans permalink
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Correction: People voted before they were told by the MSM that their candidate was toast.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:44 PM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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I don't know. If you listen to the Ring of Fire radio show from last weekend they have some pretty damning evidence that New Hampshire was rigged.


http://ringoffireradio.com/show.asp?jid=214


download the mp3 files on the right side of screen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:58 PM on 02/21/2008
- nellie I'm a Fan of nellie 502 fans permalink
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Good analysis. I would add that Hillary was helped in California by the endorsement from the United Farm Workers' Union and some strong negative campaigning against Obama by one of its representatives.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/21/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

Actually, in California there was a pretty big problem that hurt Obama. Los Angeles county has about 780,000 registered Non-Partisan voters who were eligible to vote in the Democratic Primary (including me.) Long story short, there was an additional bubble on the ballot that had to be marked in order for the vote to count, very few people knew about it, at least 50,000 votes were invalidated, and polls show non-partisan voters were going largely to Obama. The matter is still in court.

http://www.latimes.com/wireless/avantgo/la-me-vote18feb18,0,4913023.story

And in NY, if you've been following, there are multiple districts in which Obama has zero votes recorded (including Harlem and other heavily black districts), which everyone agrees is impossible. Bloomberg has called it outright fraud.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/nyregion/16vote.html?_r=2&ex=1360904400&en=6114699040e9bc82&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

I'm not suggesting the Clinton campaign is responsible, and there may be similar issues that favored Obama in other states... My point is that it's important to remember that some of the results have been impacted by significant voting problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 02/21/2008

Steal what?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 PM on 02/21/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

http://politico.com

Apparently the Clinton campaign is broke again, and is now about $23 million in debt.

What on earth happened to Hillary's $175 million campaign warchest? How can we expect Hillary Clinton to run the country if she can't even run a presidential campaign?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:54 AM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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California and New York happened. Plus she's paying for Bill and Chelsea to separately fly all over the place. I'm sure it was like paying for 3 candidates instead of just 1.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:01 PM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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that's the difference. She was using Bill and Chelsea as her centralized "messengers", but Obama was using his local supporters and himself to talk to voters. She thought she could bludgeon the Democrats into submission with the power and charisma of Bill, but fudamentally everyone knows that he's not running for office, and if he were it'd be like 1998 all over again and no one wants that (except the Republicans).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:05 PM on 02/21/2008

Why is this woman's big mouth always wide open! In every picture she looks like some sort of nutcase... A female Howard Dean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:46 AM on 02/21/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

She would be a far better candidate were she a female Howard Dean. As for her "big mouth" (which it isn't), this is an "insult" worthy of an adolescent. Personal attacks have no place in politics.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/21/2008

"Personal attacks have no place in politics."

What are ya, Canadian?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 PM on 02/21/2008
- baghdadjoe I'm a Fan of baghdadjoe 37 fans permalink

Clinton Camp Today: "We expect to do very well in Texas and Ohio."

Clinton Camp on Feb. 11: "We're competitive in Virginia, and we're going to do very, very well there."

This is all Baghdad Bob stuff. The Clinton people are hopelessly lost and waiting for the other shoe to drop. It Will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:45 AM on 02/21/2008
- GayGrandpa I'm a Fan of GayGrandpa 69 fans permalink

A graceful bow out is timely...if not now when?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 02/21/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 61 fans permalink
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Women deserve every pay cut they get. You deserve to earn 77 cents to every male dollar. You deserv e to have your right to choose taken away. You deserve to be second class citizens for the rest of time. Women simply are second to men. Always have been, always will be. And the saddest part about all of this is, you only have yourselves to blame.
Frankly, this Clinton campaign has made me sick to my stomach, simply because of how it revealed that women are their own worst enemy. Women deserve everything they get.
Yes, I'm bitter. I am a gay man who has always looked to women as an ally against the patriarchy. You have failed me again and again and again.
I am done with you. I don't care if McCain stacks the court with anti-choice appointments. You deserve it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:35 AM on 02/21/2008
- rmetz74 I'm a Fan of rmetz74 10 fans permalink

So all this post really says is, "I'm a bigot." And like all bigots (including homophobes), you think you're justified.

Go look up what Dan Savage has to say about gay misogynists. And then step away from the computer and get yourself a therapist.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 02/21/2008
- AnotherTry I'm a Fan of AnotherTry 61 fans permalink
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I'm just giving in to the Obama movement. You should be happy.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 02/21/2008
- Fabienne I'm a Fan of Fabienne 31 fans permalink

So you judge all women by your dislike of one? Should women judge all gay men by how they might feel about your rant against them? If you are truly an Obama supporter, take your cue from him. Your rant is the kind of rhetoric he would like to abolish. There are many of us from Hillary Clinton's generation who deplore the fact that feminism deteriorated into wanting to play the patriarchal game rather than giving us a gentler, more compassionate world; are we to be judged by what Hillary Clinton does?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 02/21/2008
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I am a Hillary supporter. I voted for her in our primary. I am appalled at the number of women who do NOT support her, proving to me that women can't come together. I don't dislike Hillary Clinton at all. I dislike the fact that women are so easily divided by a male candidate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:06 PM on 02/21/2008
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Imagine if,........

....Hillary had won 10 straight, with an AVERAGE margin of victory of 33%, with 17% (landslide) being the smallest spread,.....

....Don't you think the Clintons would be crying,... no DEMANDING,.... that Barack step aside, for the good of the party?

Great Luck!
~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 02/21/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 55 fans permalink

Hillary didn't bother to plan a campaign. She thought she was inevitable, so she just sat back and waited for her coronation. She just jumped forward to which paintsuit and colored shirt to wear to her certain inauguration. I think it's telling that she has no money, is losing base supporters to someone she clearly was disdainful of as an opponent. What's basically wrong with Clinton is that she is an unprincipled person, with no core values, no ideas, just the urge to be high amongst the elite and powerful. I don't think Americans want the presidency to be about the president, but about them and this country. She simply cannot be that person, while it apparently comes naturally to Obama to look at the presidency in that way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 02/21/2008

Agreed, ever since she ran her Senate campaign the media was already labeling her as the front runner for a run in 2008. I believe she also expected to be shooed in on the coattails of her husband's successes as president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:09 AM on 02/21/2008
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Surrender Dorothy!!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:18 AM on 02/21/2008
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Why aren't Huckabee and McCain debating? If we are going to have debates between the winner and one who cannot win - why not have debates between Obama and people who are not even running. The media support of The Clintons is psychotic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:31 AM on 02/21/2008
- VivaZapata I'm a Fan of VivaZapata 64 fans permalink
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excellent point. how come huckabee isn't asking for one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 AM on 02/21/2008
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Because he is supporting his party. If not for the contest remaining between Huckabee and McCain, meaningless to the outcome though it may be, McCain's only media time would be this seemingly silly but not good for him scandal.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:10 PM on 02/21/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

The article sounds nice but I won't be surprised if Hillary sues over Florida or keeps up pressure on Superdelegates and such. I just have a feeling they will spin -- regardless of outcome -- why they won't bow out next month, even if Obama wins either OH or TX.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/21/2008
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lisa

They have already sued 2 times about florida and both times the judges tossed the cases because PRECEDENT of the supreme court ruling in the 70's says a national party can do whatever it wants.

Senator schumer one of Hillary's 1st supers, her co-senator from ny, and big time campaign helper said this past weekend on tv that the supers will NOT overturn the will of the people. All talk of such is foolish. That from a huge clinton super suporter

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:00 AM on 02/21/2008

What makes Bill Clinton think that Obama will be waiting along the delegates trail for Hillary to "catch up" with him? It is like, I am 20 yrs old, and you are 18, and your point is that, by 2 yrs' time, you will be at the same age as me! I would be 22 by then. This is purely an assertion with all the marks of desperation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:24 AM on 02/21/2008
- bIgTeX I'm a Fan of bIgTeX 2 fans permalink

Hillary Clinton is running for President? Oh ok um sure... OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:18 AM on 02/21/2008
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Get out the presidential kneepads, Hillary. You got some catching up to do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:11 AM on 02/21/2008
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