Clinton Faces Daunting Delegate Deficit

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DAVID ESPO | February 20, 2008 11:07 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., reacts during a campaign stop at the Dodge Arena in Hildago, Texas, Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Obama's victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday _ his ninth and 10th in a row _ left him with 1,178 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses in The Associated Press' count. Clinton has 1,024.

Another 1,025 remain to be awarded, most of them in contests in 14 states, Guam and Puerto Rico. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

Further complicating Clinton's challenge, Obama appears particularly well-positioned to win at least one of the remaining states with ease. Mississippi, with a primary on March 11, fits a pattern of Southern states with large black populations that he has won handily, including South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

The rival campaigns maintain their own delegate counts. And while both agree Obama is the leader, they differ on the significance.

"The only way in this system to amass delegates is to win by big margins. Close races result in close delegate distribution," David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, told reporters in a conference call.

"The only way she can do it is winning states like Ohio 65-35, Texas 65-35, Pennsylvania, you know, 70-30. and you go on and on and on. She'd have to win pretty much all the states, even states where we're considered to have some strength," he added.

Clinton's top aides said Plouffe was deliberately trying to set unrealistically high expectations for the former first lady.

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"We expect to do well in both those states," said Harold Ickes, speaking of Texas and Ohio, which hold primaries on March 4. "But 65 percent is a far reach and there is no expectation here that we're going to hit that number."

"We're in the neighborhood of about 75 delegates behind, that is less that 3 percent of the total number of delegates who have been elected. We expect to narrow that gap substantially by the end of this process," he added.

Obama's lead in delegates won at the ballot box is partially offset by Clinton's advantage among superdelegates _ members of Congress, governors and other party leaders who are unpledged to either candidate. She leads in that category, 238-173, cutting Obama's overall margin to 89 delegates in the AP count.

Superdelegates are free to shift allegiances. And Clinton's recent string of primary and caucuses defeats coincides with a slow erosion of support among the same party leaders who established her as the front-runner months before the first votes were cast.

She has failed to add any since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, while Obama is slowly gaining ground.

The former first lady lost two more superdelegates during the day, both in New Jersey, when one switched to Obama and the other moved to uncommitted.

Additionally, Reps. Lloyd Doggett of Texas and Ron Kind of Wisconsin, both superdelegates, endorsed Obama.

"My constituents overwhelmingly chose Barack Obama to be their nominee, and I am proud to pledge my superdelegate vote to him as well," Kind said in a statement.

Further underscoring Clinton's political peril, Rep. David Scott of Georgia announced he would vote for Obama rather than the former first lady, and Rep. John Lewis said he might switch, as well.

Superdelegates aside, results in earlier states show how difficult Clinton will find it to overtake Obama's lead when the primaries resume in two weeks.

In general, delegates are allocated on the basis of popular votes within congressional districts, and any candidate who gains 15 percent of the vote is entitled to at least one.

Clinton won New Jersey with 54 percent of the vote and Massachusetts with 56 percent on Feb. 5. But because Obama ran relatively well, particularly in some congressional districts, she won the delegate competition by only 28 delegates combined in the two states.

Contrast that to Obama's home state of Illinois, he won slightly less than 65 percent of the vote _ and won 55 more delegates than Clinton.

The contests left on the calendar include primaries in Ohio, Texas, Vermont, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota as well as caucuses in Wyoming, Guam and Puerto Rico. There are 44 delegates unallocated from primaries and caucuses held earlier.

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Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
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- zundra I'm a Fan of zundra 8 fans permalink
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Is Obama an empty suit? Read this excellent DailyKos article titled "I'm not buying the Obama hype"

The answer may surprise you!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:09 AM on 02/21/2008

zundra, thanks, fantastic article that gets to the nitty gritty of the experience issue etc..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:33 AM on 02/21/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

...whateve­r.

We know character when we see it.

We don't need someone who knows how to play games with elitests.

We need someone who has our back and is one of us!

Someone who includes and does not exclude.

Obama is who we have been waiting for!

YES WE CAN

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 02/21/2008
- zundra I'm a Fan of zundra 8 fans permalink
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You didn't read the article did you?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 02/21/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Do we really need another 4 years of listening to affairs in the White House? Hillary and McCain: More of the same!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/21/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

can you imagine a white house with slick willy free to roam around with out having to even go into the oval office?

think about it...slick willy the sequel?

c'mon

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/21/2008
- rubicon101 I'm a Fan of rubicon101 7 fans permalink

Huffinton Post and Barack Obama is resembling Scientology and Tom Cruise more and more each day.
Yes you can believe

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 AM on 02/21/2008

It looks like when all the delegates from past contests are allocated Obama has a 159 delegate lead in pledged delegates.

To put that in perspective: Hillary Clinton's pledged delegate lead from NY (46), NJ (11), Mass (17), Cali (36), Ark (19), OK (10), TN (10), AZ (6), NM (2), and American Samoa (1) total up to 158. In case anyone missed it, that is every state Hillary has won so far where she came away with a pledged delegate advantage (NH was 0, NV was -1).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/21/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

Imagine if,.......­.

....Hillar­y had won 10 straight, with an AVERAGE margin of victory of 33%, with 17% (landslide) being the smallest spread,...­..

....Don't you think the Clintons would be crying,... no DEMANDING,­.... that Barack step aside, for the good of the party?

Great Luck!
~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/21/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

Hillary the one positive thing you are doing in your campaign is teaching all the young children of the world that going the low class way doesn't work.

We will all sit and watch your campaign crash into the reality brick wall.

We will all be saddenened as you choose to lower your standards and tell lies on a supposed allie in Obama.

We will watch you blame others for your mistakes.

We will watch you.

we will learn from you.

We will move on.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 AM on 02/21/2008

OBAMA HAS WON THE DEMOCRATS ABROAD PRIMARIES.
He won 65% of the vote. There are 7 delegates to be distributed for this primary.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080221/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_delegates

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:00 AM on 02/21/2008
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Everyone knows it's over.. Why wont the media just end this horse race..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 AM on 02/21/2008
- frappe I'm a Fan of frappe 207 fans permalink
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I just hope that the Clinton campaign doesn't go ballistic in a foolish effort to diminish Obama at this stage of the campaign. The handwriting is on the wall as the final chapter will be written in less than two weeks. Don't allow emotions to cloud your judgment.

The simple truth is that unless you win the next round in a landslide, the race is essentially over. At this point, it's best to acknowledge what has become increasingly obvious to Democrats everywhere and prepare yourself for a graceful exit from the race. Going negative now would be DISASTROUS for everyone involved -- you, Obama, and the Democratic party. As you know, Super delegates and Pledged delegates would never allow themselves to turn away from the wishes of their respective constituencies, particularly given the margin of victory in many of those contests. So, that leaves you with one option -- to gracefully bow out for the good of all concerned.

To attack Obama at this point would be judged by both partisan and objective observers as equivalent to launching an attack on the Democratic party itself and its vitally essential efforts to win both the White House AND Congress in November. Such negativity would be extremely disruptive and destructive, potentially diminishing voter turnout and enthusiasm in the general election while providing further ammunition for the Republican slime machine.

So please Hillary, think twice before acting. If you truly have the best interests of the country and the people at heart, which I know you do, you would not do anything to harm our party's chances for an overwhelming Democratic victory in the Fall.

We want to give as many Republicans their "pink slips" in November and for that, we need your help. Think about it for a moment -- not only strong Democratic majorities in both the House and Senate -- but filibuster-proof majorities -- and a Democratic president in the White House! These are the stakes. Let's make it happen. Together.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:52 AM on 02/21/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

Bottom line. . . she is staying through march 4. After she gets another "proper drubbing," she will take her carpet bag back to NY.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:26 AM on 02/21/2008
- BrickSykes I'm a Fan of BrickSykes 40 fans permalink

"DAUNTING" Delegate Deficit?

How About "HOPELESS" Delegate Deficit?

Sorry, Hillary! (But Not Really...)

Brick

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/21/2008

Hillary's failing campaign strategy is another reason why she has shown herself to be a lousy candidate and poor choice for president. Throwing money at problems, even money you don't have, does not solve problems.

-- "...we will raise more money this month than in any other so far. We have all the resources we need to compete and win,” -- Phil Singer,Clinton spokesman

Can you say higher taxes with Hillary as president? She would govern just like she ran her campaign..­.got a problem...­no problem...­spend more money...ra­ther than look at the core issue to rationally fix the problem.

-- "These are not true debts accruing by the campaign, but simply unpaid invoices," -- Blake Zeff, Clinton spokesman

God amighty...­how long are we going to listen to the Washington gobbledeegook concerning financial matters? Unpaid invoices are not debt? ROFLMAO.

-- "Sometimes invoices are not paid immediately because we need additional information for our records, or to verify expenses," -- Blake Zeff, Clinton spokesman

Hillary has failed to maintain control of her campaign budget. Yet, she wants to institute and control the largest spending program in our history...­national health care. Hell, we can't even track illegal aliens...h­ow would we ever track and administer life and death decisions from Washington with Hillary at the helm?

Michael Toner, a former Federal Election Commission chairman, responding to Clinton's campaign finances, "you put off paying bills when you've got obligations that require liquidity.­..These are strategic decisions"

More ROFLMAO...­The only thing missing was the standard warning "please don't try this at home...thi­s is for federal congress only". The odor you smell is the looming "liquidity" crisis in social security..­.and Hillary doesn't have a clue...exc­ept to spend and mismanage more of our money.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 AM on 02/21/2008
- Plowboy I'm a Fan of Plowboy 25 fans permalink

As I figure it, Hillary Clinton has 527 chances to change things.
But she herself can come up with nothing new. If her silly harping on his use of a few phrases that his friend and supporter also used is the best thing she can do, that only assures us that Mr. Obama is clean and talented.
I have previously supported BOTH Clintons but I have never been all that overwhelmed by them. For example, while some keep saying that Hillary is so bright, I keep wondering why she FAILED the DC bar exam. (She later passed in Arkansas.) Isn't the DC exam is among the easiest in the country? When people begin touting her as a future Supreme Court Justice (and even Chief Justice!) I recall my problems with recent selections that seemed less that the best too.

The biggest idea I have heard in this race is Obama's call to change the mind set that has led our country into war, recession, growing joblessness and division. When we are repeatedly told that "X is the best available" for some important position when any schoolchild can easily raise never asked questions about X's qualifications, something is missing.

The logic I hear reminds me of a murder case: the defendant stated definitely that (1) "I didn't do it", (2) "I wasn't even there when I did it", (3) "the witness was not yet is sight when I did it, so he couldn't have seen me", besides (4) "I was only defending myself", but (5) "I didn't know the gun was loaded", and (6) "anyway, the victim was a scoundrel and deserved killing."

And politicians regularly contradict themselves but we are not supposed to notice that. "I voted for the war because we need to be tough." BUT "I am unequivocally opposed to the war."

OR "I did vote for that bill but I was hoping that it would fail." {An actual quote!}

Sometimes words matter. Sometimes logic does.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:29 AM on 02/21/2008

What the article fails to mention is that those 44 delegates mostly come from states that Obama won by large margins.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 02/21/2008
- Felicty I'm a Fan of Felicty 31 fans permalink
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Indeed.

She's have to offer free "Monicas" to all the lobbyists she can get next to.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:24 AM on 02/21/2008
- vippy I'm a Fan of vippy 67 fans permalink

flyguy - first check Hillary's achievements in the senate before talking. She absolutely accomplished nothing of any value, but naming some library and post office. Her vast money for this campaign was misspent. These people have no clue. Her past voting record is more that of the GOP. What has she done for Joe Blow? She is "old" in more ways than one.
Obama over her anytime though I don't expect
changes from either. We let the good ones get away.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:15 AM on 02/21/2008
- iPolitics I'm a Fan of iPolitics 33 fans permalink

Hillary has created thousands of jobs in the military. She has also helped the bodybag industry (4,000 sold) along with medics who treat our 19,000+ American heroes injured in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:26 AM on 02/21/2008
- stubbhead I'm a Fan of stubbhead 2 fans permalink

Who is Joe Blow? Is that secret service code for Bill?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 02/21/2008

lmao

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:37 AM on 02/21/2008

MEDITATION REVEALS OBAMA ACCOMPLISHMENT!
I feel left out. America loves Obama but I can't feel it so I scoured the earth searching for an Obama accomplishment. I asked every Obama supporter I know and failed, I watched the media and again I failed, and I did a google search and alias I failed.

I then mediated hour upon hour staring into a flame then closing my eyes thinking only positive thoughts on this young senator with the single focus of finding the accomplishment.

Then I awoke enlighten!!! I Found his accomplishment.

" He has the backing of the average voter who doesn't know why they want to elect him other than they like his speeches that allow them to project all their hopes and desires into one man. Now that's an accomplishment"

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:53 AM on 02/21/2008
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Maybe you need to watch Derrick in LA being interviewed about why he stands for http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/video-interviewer-picks-the-wrong-obama-supporter-to-try-to-railroad/ailroad/

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/21/2008
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Sorry, I posted this after the wrong comment...­it was meant to go after the response to your comment

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/21/2008
- Progress08 I'm a Fan of Progress08 22 fans permalink
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Gov't K reform with Coburn.
Ethics reform.
WMD tracking and disposal regulation with Richard Lugar.
My favorite is the database of lobbying dollars for a transparent Gov't
Cosponser of bill to overturn Kentucky River decisions which strip labor union members of federal protection.
He introduced the Stop Fraud Act to protect home owners
Patriot Employer Act

The preceeding was just a portion of what he's done in the Senate. I don't have enough finger strength to type all that he's accomplished in the Illinois legislature.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:44 AM on 02/21/2008

What has his opponent accomplished? She has racked up alot of failures that she wwants to try and fix now like Iraq and No Child Left Behind, which are two of the worst pieces of legislations in our countries history and she voted for both, but now she wants to "fix it." Well, if she couldn't get it right as a Senator, what makes us think she is going to get it right as President?! I am not going to argue about what Obama hasn't accomplished, but I would rather start with a clean slate than to have accomplished such horrible failures as she has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:03 AM on 02/21/2008

You people act as if Bill Clinton was elected for very much of the same reason in '92. People liked him and his charm won over the nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:15 AM on 02/21/2008
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