Clinton Faces Daunting Delegate Deficit

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DAVID ESPO | February 20, 2008 11:07 PM EST | AP

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Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., reacts during a campaign stop at the Dodge Arena in Hildago, Texas, Wednesday, Feb. 20, 2008. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized victories by a struggling presidential candidate.

Obama's victories in Wisconsin and Hawaii on Tuesday _ his ninth and 10th in a row _ left him with 1,178 pledged delegates won in primaries and caucuses in The Associated Press' count. Clinton has 1,024.

Another 1,025 remain to be awarded, most of them in contests in 14 states, Guam and Puerto Rico. It takes 2,025 to win the nomination.

Further complicating Clinton's challenge, Obama appears particularly well-positioned to win at least one of the remaining states with ease. Mississippi, with a primary on March 11, fits a pattern of Southern states with large black populations that he has won handily, including South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Louisiana.

The rival campaigns maintain their own delegate counts. And while both agree Obama is the leader, they differ on the significance.

"The only way in this system to amass delegates is to win by big margins. Close races result in close delegate distribution," David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager, told reporters in a conference call.

"The only way she can do it is winning states like Ohio 65-35, Texas 65-35, Pennsylvania, you know, 70-30. and you go on and on and on. She'd have to win pretty much all the states, even states where we're considered to have some strength," he added.

Clinton's top aides said Plouffe was deliberately trying to set unrealistically high expectations for the former first lady.

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"We expect to do well in both those states," said Harold Ickes, speaking of Texas and Ohio, which hold primaries on March 4. "But 65 percent is a far reach and there is no expectation here that we're going to hit that number."

"We're in the neighborhood of about 75 delegates behind, that is less that 3 percent of the total number of delegates who have been elected. We expect to narrow that gap substantially by the end of this process," he added.

Obama's lead in delegates won at the ballot box is partially offset by Clinton's advantage among superdelegates _ members of Congress, governors and other party leaders who are unpledged to either candidate. She leads in that category, 238-173, cutting Obama's overall margin to 89 delegates in the AP count.

Superdelegates are free to shift allegiances. And Clinton's recent string of primary and caucuses defeats coincides with a slow erosion of support among the same party leaders who established her as the front-runner months before the first votes were cast.

She has failed to add any since Super Tuesday on Feb. 5, while Obama is slowly gaining ground.

The former first lady lost two more superdelegates during the day, both in New Jersey, when one switched to Obama and the other moved to uncommitted.

Additionally, Reps. Lloyd Doggett of Texas and Ron Kind of Wisconsin, both superdelegates, endorsed Obama.

"My constituents overwhelmingly chose Barack Obama to be their nominee, and I am proud to pledge my superdelegate vote to him as well," Kind said in a statement.

Further underscoring Clinton's political peril, Rep. David Scott of Georgia announced he would vote for Obama rather than the former first lady, and Rep. John Lewis said he might switch, as well.

Superdelegates aside, results in earlier states show how difficult Clinton will find it to overtake Obama's lead when the primaries resume in two weeks.

In general, delegates are allocated on the basis of popular votes within congressional districts, and any candidate who gains 15 percent of the vote is entitled to at least one.

Clinton won New Jersey with 54 percent of the vote and Massachusetts with 56 percent on Feb. 5. But because Obama ran relatively well, particularly in some congressional districts, she won the delegate competition by only 28 delegates combined in the two states.

Contrast that to Obama's home state of Illinois, he won slightly less than 65 percent of the vote _ and won 55 more delegates than Clinton.

The contests left on the calendar include primaries in Ohio, Texas, Vermont, Rhode Island, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota as well as caucuses in Wyoming, Guam and Puerto Rico. There are 44 delegates unallocated from primaries and caucuses held earlier.

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Associated Press Writer Stephen Ohlemacher contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
WASHINGTON — Democratic Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton must win 57 percent of the remaining primary and caucus delegates to erase Barack Obama's lead, a daunting task requiring landslide-sized vict...
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Her chances of beating Obama are about as good as mine are for living to be 110 with heart disease in the family tree.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 AM on 02/21/2008
- IkeChicago I'm a Fan of IkeChicago 18 fans permalink

It much like the strongest man standing in front of a speeding freight train. The result is something to turn away from and not witness.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 AM on 02/21/2008
- adc I'm a Fan of adc 5 fans permalink

Hillary's going down in flames! The country doesn't want her/trust her for president.

thankfully.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 AM on 02/21/2008
- SShaw490 I'm a Fan of SShaw490 38 fans permalink

That's the most concise statement of fundamental truth I've ever seen. After months of 24 hour a day political analysis, hundreds of millions of words in blog and newspapers, about a billion speeches and debates and conference calls from campaigns, you've hit on the one, central truth. Most Americans don't want her to be president, and most Americans DO want Barack. What could be simpler?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 AM on 02/21/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:36 AM on 02/21/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

Hillary is the 'hanger-on' Huckabee, of the Democratic Party.

She's our 'Hillabee'

~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 02/21/2008

hk, you can do better

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:39 AM on 02/21/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 AM on 02/21/2008
- MRb1000 I'm a Fan of MRb1000 11 fans permalink

we could do the same for all politicians. You are funny. Hillary has the likability problem. She can not deliver a speech. He means what he is saying.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:03 AM on 02/21/2008

"He means what he is saying". So does he mean he will accept the public funding or not? He's just another typical politician with more cheating record.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 02/21/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:57 AM on 02/21/2008

As I understand it, Clinton may not be able to regain the lead in delegates going into the convention unless Florida and Michigan are reinstated - somehow this stinks of a violations of the Voting Rigths Act to punish the voters of these states for what howard Dean and Democratic insiders decided whose votes could be counted and whose votes would not count.

Nonetheless, no matter the outcome, Clinton should stay in this race until the conventions. She would be doing her country a favor.

Obama is a fraud, the Republicans know it, and have carefully set the Rezko trial to begin on March 5th, one day after the March 4th elections, precisely so Democrats can be fooled into voting for Obama and then lo and behold be find out all this sleasy stuff on him, that he took kickbacks from a Syrian maffia member connected with an Iraqi who stole over a billion in US funds from shady deals in the Iraq war - US tax payer's billions. The doesn't count the money trail leading to terrorist groups back to Obama.

However the Democrats will be stuck having voted for the equivilant of Spiro Agnew and the country will vote Republican by a landslide.

Unless it is possible for Democrats to still pick Hillary Clinton.

No way will the Republicans wait to drag out the garbage on Obama's past until Septebmer of 2008 - two months before the election. It will all start March 5th.

Hillary will do the nation a great favor by remaining in the race no matter how much pressure she gets to give up.

On the other hand, maybe Democrats deserve to get what they voted for and will have to live with the horrors that will follow.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:44 AM on 02/21/2008
- sarahaw I'm a Fan of sarahaw 10 fans permalink

Oh, can you PLEASE just give me a SMALL break here...

Perhaps if your spelling and grammar (not to mention logic) made more sense I might be able to take you seriously for... maybe a moment.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:33 AM on 02/21/2008
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The Voting Rights Act only pertains to general elections at the national, state, county, local etc. levels ----- not to Party primaries and caucuses.

The Parties have the authority to determine how and when and the rules that apply in determining there respective candidates. If they wanted to they could pull the names out of a hat ( but that wouldn't be cool ).

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:54 AM on 02/21/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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I think the only limitation that could be applied would be derivative of the 14th, ie, blacks could vote but not whites.

And it could well be that even that would not hold.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:07 AM on 02/21/2008
- kevenseven I'm a Fan of kevenseven 501 fans permalink
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Nobody in America have a right to help decide who the nominees of parties are to be. There is no law that governs this, and the Supreme Court just a month ago reconfirmed this.

The Dem party could have only the voters of NY decide who the nominee is. The party could draw a name from a hat.

The residents of MI and FL have no right to have a voice in the selection of the nominee.

Once they hold contests within the sanctioned calendar, they can have a slate of delegates seated.

As for the rest of your post, what drivel.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:00 AM on 02/21/2008
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The Rezko investigations and trial is focused on influence peddling within the office of Governor Blagejovich. Rezko was an advisor to the governor and alleged used his influence to make and nurture business deals.

If Obama had any improper connections to Rezko they would have been leaked and we would know all about it by now.


According to your profile you are immensely loathing of Obama; so I'm going to just leave it to these responses.

ps.

seems like the garbage on McCain is coming out already - methinks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:06 AM on 02/21/2008

"I have become a Republican and plan to vote that way if Clinton doesn't win. The Clintons are the only ones left who represent the worker, women, and Hispanics in this party." - TellMeTheTruth

So your loyalty is to Hillary, not the Democratic party. Got it. If you can't have her, you don't want anything else the party stands for, no supreme court justices, nothing.

I understood it when Obama supporters said it - that's like saying "If she twists the rules and wins despite losing the votes, this party is dead". I don't agree. I think not voting would be better.

But here you're saying "If you all are dumb enough to vote for this man and not for her, the party should die". I don't see the logic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 02/21/2008

Nope, I'm still confused. How on earth does voting for McCain represent the worker or women?

You sure you weren't Republican all along, and posing as a Clinton supporter to try to sway them over too?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 02/21/2008
- sparkandy I'm a Fan of sparkandy 28 fans permalink
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I'd be willing to bet all the Clinton supporters who hate Obama, and all the Obama supporters who hate Clinton, will suck it up in November and vote for the nominee, whichever one it is. This stuff from the Obama people about 'I'll never vote for Clinton' and the Clinton people 'I'll vote Republican first' is just a ploy to get their candidate chosen. Like a little kid who tries reverse psychology on his parents and doesn't quite get it right.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:45 AM on 02/21/2008
- JUSTME I'm a Fan of JUSTME 17 fans permalink

Indeed. Who better to represent the interests of the working people, women, and Hispanics than a Yale educated, multi-millionaire WASP with an estate in Westchester County, New York?

Good one.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:04 AM on 02/21/2008

Oh..Susan.­..where are hillary's tax returns...­.You may want to rethink slinging shit at Obama...yo­u're girl has plenty of her own...and her gross husband, too.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:43 AM on 02/21/2008

TEN losses in a row for Hillary - bet the ashtrays are flying! Obama is not well liked by the Clintons, I suspect.

Looks like Bill and Hillary’s divorce proceedings can finally commence. The only reason they were still together was for her POTUS ambitions.

Nobody is happier about Hillary’s demise than Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:37 AM on 02/21/2008
- MRb1000 I'm a Fan of MRb1000 11 fans permalink

Will he marry his old girlfriend from the white house?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:06 AM on 02/21/2008
- JUSTME I'm a Fan of JUSTME 17 fans permalink

EXACTLY!!! If she loses the nomination, he's finally off whatever hook she planted up his butt in exchange for standing by him during Monica. In fact, my theory is that Bill is unconsciously trying to cost her the nomination so he can finally get out. And if he does actually cost her the nomination, she has no reason to hang on to him.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 AM on 02/21/2008

Hillaryous BIO piece on MSNBC on Hillary...­...how she inspired her class of wealthy white debutantes at Wellesley with her anti-war speech. They were thrilled and some said "someday she will be president.­"

While still at Wellesley she "scored" big.......­nailing and eventually marrying Bill Clinton, future disgraced president. All her friends said "Hillary, honey....a­re you sure you wanna move to Fayetteville?"

And that's about it......he­r "credentials" to become president.

OMFG!!!!! Totally ridiculous that this woman thinks she's more qualified than Barack Obama!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:34 AM on 02/21/2008
- mabelle55 I'm a Fan of mabelle55 2 fans permalink

God, you are crazy, you know that?

Crazy and so full of right-wing Republican-inspired hatred of Hillary and Bill Clinton that you can't see your own nose.

What, exactly, were you smokin' or drinkin' when you watched that MSNBC special? Cuz' I didn't see anything near what you did.

I'm sure, though, that Mr. "Yes We Can... plagiarize words and policies" Obama has it all figgered out.

After all, this is the same guy who's voted FOR the war in every single way since he was elected to the U.S. Senate, and who gave $14.5 billion in tax breaks to the oil and gas industry; who didn't bother to show up to vote on 911 Commission recommendations, or the "No Confidence" vote of AG Alberto Gonzales; and who voted to LIMIT class action lawsuits against corporations, like ENRON, because his big business buddies lobbied against it; and who has also voted for "big business interests" in Illinois (ADM, Exelon), while vetoing others.

WOW! You speak VOLUMES about why somebody like Obama just loves you...

"OMFG!!!!! Totally ridiculous that this [man] thinks [he's] more qualified than Hillary Clinton!!!

I rest my case.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:45 AM on 02/21/2008

settle down

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:43 AM on 02/21/2008

Hillary is the best person for the job?

I guess so.... as long as the job is ENDLESS WARS FOR ISRAEL.

Then, she's perfect

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:33 AM on 02/21/2008
- BitJam I'm a Fan of BitJam 15 fans permalink

LOL:

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Clinton's top aides said Plouffe was deliberately trying to set unrealistically high expectations for the former first lady.

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Unrealistically high expectations such as actually winning the nomination.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:32 AM on 02/21/2008
- livesimply I'm a Fan of livesimply 25 fans permalink
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Really funny pictures! A little light brainwashing attempt? ...So we can hold a picture of HRC in our minds as a winner? Wierd.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 02/21/2008
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"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned/ Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned."

If it's really true that a woman can be just as strong as a man in leadership, can she also be as gracious in defeat?

If Hillary would like to avoid making every stereotype of women a reality, she should think about what the long term effects of a protracted battle will be, to herself, the Democratic party, and ultimately to women.

Her decision to continue fighting for the nomination will be the defining moment in her life. I only hope for the sake of everyone that she's as strong in defeat as she was in battle.

Obama / McKaskill in '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:02 AM on 02/21/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

"Bill hath no restraint, for a piece of tail he'd like to tap."

~HK

Obama / Kent '08

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 AM on 02/21/2008
- StephenJK I'm a Fan of StephenJK 22 fans permalink

No she can't as long as she's marginalized. In THIS case she can't be anything. In ANY case she's made to be a piece of garbage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:35 AM on 02/21/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

Imagine if,.......­.

....Hillar­y had won 10 straight, by an AVERAGE OF 33%, with her tightest, closest win, being by ONLY 17%,.....

....Don't you think the Clintons would be crying,... no DEMANDING,­.... that Barack step aside, for the good of the party?

Great Luck!
~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:53 AM on 02/21/2008
- lisakaz I'm a Fan of lisakaz 27 fans permalink

Yep. They'd claim he was standing in the way of the coronation.

Though I must add, I don't think she's done. It's not the delegate count. It's the FL/MI things and the superdelegates. I think Clinton's people are going to fight for this tooth and nail. I wouldn't even be surprised if they sued over FL in particular, couching it as a "suppression" of voters (as we've seen here already). I don't expect her to drop out on March 4, even if she loses.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:12 AM on 02/21/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

That would be in line with Hillary's,­...

....If I can't have this nomination,.

......... then to HELL with the rest of you.

I'm ENTITLED to this nomination - what about that - don't you little people understand?

~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:22 AM on 02/21/2008
- AgathaX I'm a Fan of AgathaX 13 fans permalink
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Sue away. They'd have all the success there that the teachers union did in NV. The DNC can make and enforce its own rules. Period. If it wanted to give the nomination to whomever could stand on his/her head the longest as judged solely by independants in Rhode Island and Mississippi--it could. Now, if it only allowed hispanic voters in Rhode Island to judge the head standing contest, that's a potential problem.

This is ticking off DNC members more than is apparent on the surface. Imagine, however, if you had worked long and hard to come to a consensus on rules and everyone had gone along, until one candidate--with a losing record--decided not to. Not exactly the way to win friends or influence people.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 02/21/2008
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