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Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

February 20, 2008 06:05 PM


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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."


 
 

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- danasg See Profile I'm a Fan of danasg

My analysis may be way off, but I can't help but wonder if Bill Clinton unconsciously wants to derail his wife's chance to become US President, that deep down, he doesn't want to share White House accolades with her, doesn't want her to be the first woman US president.

Bill Clinton insulted Obama and southern blacks in downplaying Obama's South Carolina win with his statement that same day, "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here." Implying that Obama wasn't for real, Bill Clinton angered many Democrats and Super Tuesday didn't turn out to be so super for Hillary.

Aren't I just demanding a higher standard from her spouse because she's a woman? Ain't that unfair? Antifeminist? Am I blaming a woman for what her husband has done?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:56 PM on 02/27/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite

I've hear many political analysts say that Bill Clinton just doesn't now how to not be the "main event". They pointed out also that on several occasions during rallies for Hillary he spent a good portion of the time talking about his accomplishments as President rather that what her accomplishments are. But then perhaps that's because allot of Hillary supporters are actually seeing it as a vote for Bill's third term.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:18 PM on 02/21/2008
- jstock See Profile I'm a Fan of jstock

I do not know what has happened to Bill, but he has NOT helped. I used to be a big fan of the Clintons, but they've truly worn out their welcome with me. Those of you who still support them need to stop blaming Obama or the MSM for her losses. She HAS received dreadful media coverage, and Obama has received mostly favorable coverage. I'll give you all that. But HRC had the Clinton "machine," tons of money, and as much name recognition as is humanly possible. Plus, while many voters do not personally like her, more do - especially Democrats - and most Americans remember the 1990's peace and prosperity with fondness. Bottom line, she started the campaign as the prohibitive favorite to win (and she may yet pull it off). They've just not run a very good campaign so far, at least not as good a campaign as the Obama team has. Please, stop blaming Obama and his fans, the MSM, the CFR (who, in any event, probably LOVE HRC and Bill), the Easter Bunny, etc.
Ultimately, we need to take back the White House, regardless of who we may or may not want as our Democratic nominee. The stakes are too high, if we want anything resembling our once-great country to survive. We cannot afford another Republican in the White House EVER AGAIN!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:57 PM on 02/21/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite

Well said, and I would add, people continue to say Obama has gotten a free pass with the media and they've turned on Hillary. Fact is the media reports what there is to report! Hillary and Bill on their own accord took Hillary's campaign to the back alley for a dirty street fight. Whose fault is it that it back fired on them? Certainly don't blame Obama for that, nor the media. No one can deny that Obama and Michele didn't get a fair share of negative media the last couple of days. Even though it was as pity as it gets it was reported.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:02 PM on 02/21/2008
- 2liveNdie See Profile I'm a Fan of 2liveNdie

Behind every bitter woman stands a cheating man!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:58 PM on 02/21/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery

In the history of the United States, there has never been a president who has done more for his country and been kicked in the teeth for his trouble more than Bill Clinton. This country punishes excellence and rewards mediocrity. No wonder we are losing our status in the world.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 02/21/2008
- Seattlelite See Profile I'm a Fan of Seattlelite

I don't think I've ever seen any attacks on these blogs regarding Bill's "accomplishments" as President. The negative attacks have been in reference to his behavior during Hillary's campaign. In SC I keep wondering what on earth is he thinking? Why is he willing to jeopardize his reputation? I guess this is what the need for power can do to people like the Clinton's....apparently they live by the oath.....by whatever means necessary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 02/21/2008
- PACRAT See Profile I'm a Fan of PACRAT

Why is Bill's undermining of Hillary's campaign even a question? Of course he did!

Bill doesn't want to be upstaged! And Hillary could certainly do that - easily. Why she didn't dump him long again reveals that she was willing to put up with anything to stay in the White House. That's the the real mystery.

When will Hillary realize that she's been had?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 PM on 02/21/2008
- rbe1 See Profile I'm a Fan of rbe1

Please, Obamamaniacs, the enemy is in the white house. Try to direct your vicious hatred and self-righteous, condescending shit-slinging in a more productive direction !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:43 PM on 02/21/2008
- zebra3 See Profile I'm a Fan of zebra3

I've heard a number of people speculate that if Hillary does NOT win the presidency, she plans to divorce Bill.

Maybe he wants out?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:42 PM on 02/21/2008
- Independent_voter See Profile I'm a Fan of Independent_voter

Bill's ego can not stand the thought of Hillary being a better president than he was.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:16 PM on 02/21/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47

It's not Bill who's sabotaging Hillary's campaign. it's Main stream Media. Where have you been the last 2 month?? I mean, come on!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:59 PM on 02/21/2008
- YcCoSQ See Profile I'm a Fan of YcCoSQ

one reason we are not ready for a female President. Columnists throw responsibility for loss to the husband.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:03 PM on 02/21/2008
- tanmany2k See Profile I'm a Fan of tanmany2k

Dick Morris predicted that Bill Clinton would sabotage Hillary over a year ago on Hanniy & Colmes. He said that Bill's ego could never take that. Yes, I know that Dick Morris is despicable but he did predict this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/21/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47

tanmany2K:

Or maybe Dick Morris knew what the media had planned all along? After all, it takes a good year prep time to write the scripts (repeated over and over again by all the political pundits, night after night) and get the film clips lined up.
Haven't you noticed, all the pro Obama commentators sound like bloody parrots lately?

They've managed to take one phrase and turn it into a bloody race war and blame it on Bill Clinton, and from there - anything the man says is grabbed and taken out of context - and headlined as Another!! faux pas by Bill...
etc..

What the US Media has done is criminal!! They should all be arrested for deliberately MISLEADING the population.

And any of you who start to blah, blah back at me... please note: I'm Canadian and not voting. I'm just outraged over the outlandish media deceit - and thereby determining who is going to be elected.

They should be honest and label it THE MEDIA CHOICE AWARD... instead of the Presidential Election.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:07 PM on 02/21/2008
- EinChicago See Profile I'm a Fan of EinChicago

He didn't. the Clinton's have just been out manipulated by teh smlimey bama machine who raised the race issue to bolster his "bump" in SC at the expense of electability in November. They knew it was kryptonite to paint a dem candidate into that role because ther eis no way back out. It was the Obama slime machine pulling the old trial court trick of asking the witness "Exactly when did you stop beating your wife, sir".


The result? The country is detsined for a loss in November when Mccaindishes out a McGovern like thrashing but Michelle and Barak will be off to count their millions on the speaking circuit.



    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 02/21/2008
- OneAmerica See Profile I'm a Fan of OneAmerica

You need to get your facts straight. At no point has Barack injected race. Race was injected by the press, not Barack!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:06 PM on 02/21/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery

You need to get your facts straight. I watched three Obama spokespeople accuse Bill Clinton of "race baitnig" on CNN.

Meanwhile Barack Obama said on national TV that he doubted that Bill Clinton could be a "brother" because he didn't dance good enough. Not one peep from the Clinton-haters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:01 PM on 02/21/2008
- The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker See Profile I'm a Fan of The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker

Short answer: Yes.

Mark my words: Hillary's rise and fall in the polls has little to do with any of you, as polls in the MSM are purchased (Giuliani was supposedly a "frontrunner?" what a joke!), and Diebold pretty much rules the primaries and will choose our next president.

The REAL reason Hillary is fading lies in the background, mostly having to do with her electability as perceived by the powerbrokers in the CFR. The "Billary Show" isn't going to be elected First Family with indictments hanging over their heads(The charge: Campaign finance shenanigans, something Hillary has been in trouble for several times already).

My guess? Bill would rather the two of them be tried in a court of law as private citizens than by the public and in the media. The White House is a fishbowl and they can't afford it anymore.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 02/21/2008
- CFDelehanty See Profile I'm a Fan of CFDelehanty

You might be right, but I think the Clinton's miscalculated their opposition. The pundits say her campaign was geared to be over on Super Tuesday. That's when her campaign expected to wrap up the delegates to secure the nomination. I don't feel they thought that there was any Democrat who could mount a serious campaign against her.

So, when Obama won Iowa, Hillary considered it a fluke and did not change strategy. Then, when Obama continued to do well, Bill went on the attack. I believe both Hillary and Bill did not think that Obama could, in any way, mount a continuing successful campaign against her.

Thus this led Bill to take cheap shots at Obama. Bill considered Obama to be like a fly which could be swatted away with these cheap shots. But it backfired because he did not understand Obama had real appeal to many voters. Obama is not a Rainbow Coalition Jesse Jackson as Bill implied in South Carolina.

I believe this analysis of Bill's actions for atttacking Obama as he did makes more sense than the idea that he may unconsciously want to sabotage Hillary's campaign.

But who knows.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:22 AM on 02/21/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47

And I know you are full of it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:09 PM on 02/21/2008
- on2them See Profile I'm a Fan of on2them

I think you are spot on. Additionally anyway in a planning stage of anything small or big like this would at least have a plan B...
So, this is her proof she can run this country?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 02/21/2008
- JackWOrf See Profile I'm a Fan of JackWOrf

That's a good question. I was seriously thinking myself that Bill is not really trying. If Bill was really trying, I think that Obama would be road-kill by now.

1. Does a former president really want to be humiliated by being a first lady?

2. Does Bill really WANT to get anywhere near the White House? He has spent the last 8 years healing old wounds. Why would he want to open all of that crap up again?

3. The pay is lousy. Bill has been making about $5 million a year doing cushy speaking tours. Why would he now want to make half of $200 grand a year?

But the above may all be BS. I voted for Hillary because I want another 8 years of Bill Clinton, BJ's not withstanding.

How people can choose a rookie like Obama over Bill Clinton is a mystery to me. But God help the country if he wins the Presidency.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 AM on 02/21/2008
- DennyCrane See Profile I'm a Fan of DennyCrane

How sad that people are voting for Hillary when what they really want is Bill. I guess that says a lot about Hillary. Ready on day one, but only cause I have a former President to help me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 02/21/2008
- annabee See Profile I'm a Fan of annabee

As an Arkansan who met both Bill and Hillary and knew a lot about them in our small state (which incidentally gave Hillary 70% of the Democratic vote on Super Tuesday), I think the Huffington Post is completely anti-Hillary. There is no way Bill Clinton would intentionally work to hurt her campaign--they have been a team always in their political life. The fact that he has gotten so "worked up" is that he, like most spouses, does not like to see her attacked unfairly. I hope that you Obama supporters don't wake up in September and find a scandal involving Obama similar to the one just released against McCain slapping you in the face when the general election is at hand. You had better hope not because another republican administration is about last thing this country needs. GO HILLARY!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 AM on 02/21/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery

Thank you for being a voice of reason in the middle of this howling cyber-mob.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:17 PM on 02/21/2008
- generaldelivery See Profile I'm a Fan of generaldelivery

My comment was directed to annabee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:18 PM on 02/21/2008
- OneAmerica See Profile I'm a Fan of OneAmerica

A scandal is always possible. No politician is perfect. But since Democrats consider sex a private matter that would no problem.

With McCain scandal everything will be equalized.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:11 PM on 02/21/2008
- Jazz42 See Profile I'm a Fan of Jazz42

As an Arkansan who met Bill and Hillary.
The Clinton supporters keep accusing Senator Obama supporters of attacking Senator Clinton. Most of what is said about Bill And Hillary is true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 02/21/2008
- Didi47 See Profile I'm a Fan of Didi47

Jazz42:

Stop lying. This is the first time you've claimed to be an Arkansan. Did you suddenly move or what??

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:10 PM on 02/21/2008
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