Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

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First Posted: 02-20-08 06:05 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

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Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."

No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
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You bring up exactly what I've been wondering.

There's a saying in communication theory that goes like this: the meaning of my message is in your response.

All that's saying is that, regardless of what one thinks one means or what one consciously intended to say--the real meaning of what one is saying is actually only revealed by the effect it has on the other person.

The theory is saying that since he did hurt her so badly in his behavior, there's a level in which that was the unconscious purpose within the "system" that constitutes their marriage.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 02/20/2008
- ginnypoo I'm a Fan of ginnypoo 7 fans permalink

Who hurt her? Did you forget it was the Obama camp pushing that storyline in SC? Have you forgotten he got caught on TV during the debate that followed SC? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQY_9ZcsjpQ
So this whole article is intended to rewrite history, sounds pretty neo-con to me. Edsall is pushing the 'race card' again....SHAME ON YOU, MR EDSALL.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 02/20/2008
- AlphaDoc I'm a Fan of AlphaDoc 13 fans permalink

>You bring up exactly what I've been wondering.<

Me, too. Whether consciously or unconsciously, it seems as though Bill has been tripping the campaign in critical spots along the trail. As I've suggested in other threads here, perhaps there is a part of his ego which doesn't want to share his place in history with Hillary. Or maybe he doesn't truly believe in her ability to lead the country.

>the meaning of my message is in your response<

I like that. Thanks for sharing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:49 PM on 02/20/2008
- jadez I'm a Fan of jadez 3 fans permalink

I don't buy that theory at all.
because if that were the case it would be Hillary who would have seen it first and a long time ago.

so why would she still be with him?


and isn't argument the proving of a point?, rather then just making one and allowing it to sit there for unlimited interpretations?

your 2nd and last sentence contradicts each other.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:07 PM on 02/20/2008

Don't think so. It's just President Clinton's hubris or maybe narcissism making him act the way he has. After 8 years in office with unquestioning support from fellow Democrats, Clinton believes he can say or do most anything and not be questioned. But, now that he isn't the beneficiary of all this support his awful conduct is obvious.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:05 PM on 02/20/2008
- ZinZen I'm a Fan of ZinZen 9 fans permalink
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Agree Rollingdivision. I also think Bill is really off his game, and that is why he is making so many mistakes and gaffes.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:17 PM on 02/20/2008

Exactly my thoughts.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:31 PM on 02/20/2008

Rolling, I think this is more likely the case than some deep dark hidden psychological intent. Bill has simpley overestimated his popularity and thus overestimated what he can get away with. His behavior has been perceived as too close to what democrats have come to hate from this current administration.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:38 PM on 02/20/2008
- BlogAngel I'm a Fan of BlogAngel 4 fans permalink

If that was the case, he wouldn't have waited 8 years to say whatever he wanted. Bill has worked hard to maintain good relationships with both sides of the aisle and he's really done extraordinary work for Africa and others in need after leaving office. Jimmy Carter may be the only other president who kept working so hard for social causes.

No, Bill's health is failing and it's so sad to see people try to crush this guy when he's down.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:39 PM on 02/20/2008

Bill's motives don't matter, actions matter. Hillary should file for divorce TOMORROW. Two strikes and you are out. First Monica and now the campaign. She should kick Bill out of the house and be completely on her own. From now on, whatever she does will be pure Hillary. Good or bad, doesn't matter. What matters is that she is herself. Bill overstayed his welcome among decent women, and Hillary provided that cover. He doesn't deserve to be with Hillary any more. Let him go back to the sluts he likes and stop pretending that he is anything else than a scum when it comes to women. And frankly I think Bill has serious problems.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:04 PM on 02/20/2008

Faust, in the legend, traded his soul to the devil in exchange for knowledge. To “strike a Faustian bargain” is to be willing to sacrifice anything to satisfy a limitless desire for knowledge or power. In some ways Hilliary is a very sad figure.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 02/20/2008
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I will keep this simple: You are a blithering asshole

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:22 PM on 02/20/2008
- presto I'm a Fan of presto 18 fans permalink

I think maybe the Clinton marriage is not our business. Long distance, anonymous would-be psychologists notwithstanding.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/20/2008
- BlogAngel I'm a Fan of BlogAngel 4 fans permalink

Ever heard of love?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:40 PM on 02/20/2008

Very well said.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 02/20/2008
- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

Why did Sammy Sosa cork his bat?

BillC went out on a limb with the Jesse Jackson primary type remarks out of desperation.

He could feel the rumblings of an Obama upset way before mere mortals--like animals in the forest sense impending disasters before human folk do, and start running.

He knew what was coming and decided to take a big risk, not because he's ambivalent, but because he's desperate.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 PM on 02/20/2008
- BlogAngel I'm a Fan of BlogAngel 4 fans permalink

Sounds like you work for the Psychic Friends Network.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:41 PM on 02/20/2008

I agree, ornery. The Clintons know what they are doing, as they are extremely intelligent and have many years of experience in the political arena. Their political machinery is well oiled - to use an old cliche.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 02/20/2008
- Countess I'm a Fan of Countess 47 fans permalink

This gives Bill Clinton too much credit. He may have fancy diplomas but he is not a very intelligent person and we forget that he was super lucky to even win the presidency. Hillary Clinton running alone without him by her side would still not beat Barack Obama or John McCain because she is not the right candidate. It really is as simple as that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:00 PM on 02/20/2008

Another bad habit of the Clintons, which really hurt Hilliary Clinton's campaign, is the practice of alway using 2 sets of brass knuckles when 1 will do.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:15 PM on 02/20/2008
- AurigaRa I'm a Fan of AurigaRa 27 fans permalink

not very intelligent?

The guy is a Rhodes Scholar and even his enemies concede he is extremely smart.

Now, as far as his redneck friend, that's a different story. But many men are not so smart where that is concerned.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:37 PM on 02/20/2008

Countess: Bill Clinton "is not a very intelligent person"???

You can't possibly be this dense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:43 PM on 02/20/2008

Oh this is new. Now Bill Clinton is "not very intelligent". Yah, I don't hold no 'count with that there book learnin' either. Fancy diplomas and Rhodes scholarships don't mean he has a lick a sense.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:44 PM on 02/20/2008
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Bill Clinton IS very intelligent, and that is what makes this all so confusing. He has a terrible temper, a sense of entitlement, and is a blatant narcissist . As an ex-pres those characteristics have been allowed to flower, and as a pres he had to remain more disciplined.

Remember the Chris Wallace interview where BC went off on him, "And you've got that little smirk on your face and you think you're so clever". He acted like a nutcase.

I voted twice for BC. I thought he was one of our greatest presidents til he started in with the crap on Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:46 PM on 02/20/2008
- mommadona I'm a Fan of mommadona 192 fans permalink
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He's Passive-Aggressive:

http://passiveaggressive.homestead.com/PATraits.html

He's Narcissistic:

http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis1/p21-pe07.html

You can take it from there.

It isn't rocket science.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:59 PM on 02/20/2008

Bill's snarkiness is certainly not doing her any favors. Now he just said if they lose Texas and Ohio her bid is probably over. Last ditch feeble attempts at some kind of mercy vote. The tears all dried up.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/20/2008
- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

No,no, no.

That remark was to lull the opposition into a false sense of security.

You don't expect them to just walk away gracefully, do you?

This will be more like Iwo Jima. A fight to the bitter end.

Secretly he's still working the speed dial furiously, calling in markers, making promises, threats.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:08 PM on 02/20/2008
- NvMe I'm a Fan of NvMe permalink

Just got word the Clinton Machine is calling caucus delegates who pledged their support to Senator Obama at our January 19th caucuses here in Clark County, NV & asking them to vote for her at our convention this Saturday. Certainly hope this nomination is NOT out of the hands of the people - vote wisely on March 4 TEXAS & OHIO and choose the candidate of tomorrow - VOTE OBAMA 08.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/20/2008

You're an idiot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:58 PM on 02/20/2008
- Ajita I'm a Fan of Ajita 99 fans permalink
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A water tight case. Of course it makes no sense that Bill Clinton could be a hot-headed idiot. He must be scheming to not get back into the White House because he sooooooooo hates power.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 02/20/2008
- bikerdude I'm a Fan of bikerdude 77 fans permalink
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Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.....
Where in the hell did you pull that premise from? I suspect your nether regions...
She might lose, but to infer that President Clinton is purposely hurting her campaign is totally absurd. What is really happening is that the MSM and people like Edsall are taking bits and snipets and turning them into premises that will hurt Senator Clinton's campaign.
Why not stay on the issues? Why not question the candidates closely and then report on that?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 02/20/2008
- amanda85 I'm a Fan of amanda85 108 fans permalink

"Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?"

It's a definite possibility. After all, a sex addict like Bill couldn't possibly resist 4 or possibly even 8 years without messing with young, overweight, white trash interns...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:56 PM on 02/20/2008
- riverhorse I'm a Fan of riverhorse 4 fans permalink

man if you get the nomination you're going to have a hard fucking time beating mccain without the clinton votes. so you mofo's keep talking and trashing and you'll see you're dreams go right down the fucking toilet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:09 PM on 02/20/2008
- ornery I'm a Fan of ornery 7 fans permalink

The Clinton votes will go to McCain????

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 02/20/2008
- wedgie I'm a Fan of wedgie 19 fans permalink
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You talk pretty.

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    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:34 PM on 02/20/2008

I've thought for months that Bill did not want Hillary to be president.

If there is one thing that Bill has is an ego. To have his wife become president and then get comparisons of the two administrations. Also, to have his wife hanging on to his pants leg is not something that I think sits well with Bill.

So.... let him keep saying stupid stuff. The american people are listening.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:55 PM on 02/20/2008
- horacekent I'm a Fan of horacekent 10 fans permalink

Hillabee - It's over.

If you don't realize it yet,.....

...Hopefully the great people of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island & Vermont,.....will make it perfectly clear to you.

~HK

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:47 PM on 02/20/2008

Great luck!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 PM on 02/20/2008
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