Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

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Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."

No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
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- Seafarer61 I'm a Fan of Seafarer61 7 fans permalink

If someone was pushing me off a bridge, it is their fault that I am allowing it to happen?

Hillary ran a shitty campaign and if Bill was to receive any blame, it's probably that he was simply too close to it. When someone attacks you, you tend to attack back instinctively and worry later about which fist landed first, the right or left.

Bill's political instincts were compromised simply because he was TOO protective of her. Losing the black vote cost her the election. His "fairy tale" comment about how the press was avoiding pressing Barack on his Iraq voting record was turned against him by the Obama campaign to represent the notion that the "black fella ain't fit for the office" and Hillary allowed it to happen.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:55 AM on 02/21/2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMgxFE6bms

Watch the spoof Hillary doesn't want you to see! LOL

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 02/21/2008
- Irons I'm a Fan of Irons 2 fans permalink

Bill Clinton's reputation as an astute politician is way over-blown (ahem). That Clinton managed to save his own butt by throwing welfare reform to the Gingrich repubs is more a testimony to his lack of principles than political savvy. After throwing the poor under the bus, Clinton gave the corporate media what it wanted - freedom to consolidate - and he handed the corporate elite what they wanted - NAFTA. As for 90s economy...­..I could have successfully presided over the 90s economy. After all, Clinton didn't invent the internet, entrepeneurs did.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:48 AM on 02/21/2008
- Jazz42 I'm a Fan of Jazz42 6 fans permalink

(Irons)
Your comments are right on.
I agree with you completely.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 PM on 02/21/2008
- estreya I'm a Fan of estreya 7 fans permalink

I totally agree with this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:27 PM on 02/21/2008
- riverhouse I'm a Fan of riverhouse 47 fans permalink

Who knows what hostilities lie between Bill and Hillary Clinton. Her enabling of his serial philandeering during the course of their courtship and marriage mirrors her enabling of GWB's neocon agenda. She gives off the air of a big time hater, but she seems unable to stand up to men. She talks a better feminist game than she has played in her life. They hardly represent a happily married couple, but whether her campaign's implosion is due to being unprepared for anything but an inevitable coronation for her or to his habit of making every blooming thing all about him is hard to know.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:42 AM on 02/21/2008
- DebT I'm a Fan of DebT permalink

No.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:25 AM on 02/21/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

Here's one more great reason to vote for Hillary. Just read the stupidity posted by the Clinton bashers on this site. Read the sheer idiocy and the lame ideas put forth by that crowd...an­d choose... do you even want to be associated with that low IQ crowd?
Hillary scares the hell out of those creeps and they will spin anything against the Clintons.
It will be wonderful to see their heads explode when she is sworn in a year from now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:20 AM on 02/21/2008
- sjl106 I'm a Fan of sjl106 7 fans permalink

Obamamania verges on obsession

By: Lisa Lerer
Feb 20, 2008 12:29 PM EST

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8605.html

LOL the media hyped the weak minded into a frenzy over obama portraying him as our savior, well at least some are SNAPPING OUT OF IT! If anyone believes obama the savior of politics your idiots and need to be on some type of anti-depressents, change comes with everything that is done, however obama isn't going to transcend and transform ideological beliefs held to the core of somes souls. The idea that he is going to go in and get accomplished things that need to get accomplished with out standing ground and fighting for it is ABSURD! Obama has proven that he isn't willing to take on the tough issues, he would rather cave to special interests than fight for the interests of "WE THE PEOPLE" Remember Exelon, Rezko. Oh thats right obamabites ae so entranced they can't understand the truth, here lets see it again on NBC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhISssMxnY

Hell obama can't even run on his own words, you obama supporters seem as though you have no brain cells left.

Youtube video Bamboozled:
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27060

Look at the idiot TX State Sen. on Hardball

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/19/chris-matthews-humiliates_n_87493.html?refresh_comments=1

More dumbfounded obama supporters

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26949

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:53 AM on 02/21/2008
- on2them I'm a Fan of on2them 23 fans permalink
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:13 PM on 02/21/2008

Bill knows better than everyone else that Hillary is a dangerous warmongerer with a limited world view. Bill is not a warmongerer. The more he listens to her and watches her actions and comments, the more he realizes she lacks the judgment and world view to be President. Voting against more than half of her Party in Congress (both Houses conmbined) to go into Iraq. Voting for Kyl-Lieberman. Personally attacking Putin and Chavez, people with whom she will need to deal if she wins. He realizes she's simply too narrow viewed and will cause more young Americans to be killed and maimed if she wins.

He can't directly come out against her, so he undermines her campaign -- he supports her the way a noose supports a hanging man, or in this case, a hanging woman.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:07 AM on 02/21/2008

It depresses me to tears to write these words, but:

Hillary Rohdam Clinton is the iconic embodiment of INCOMPETENCE.

The woman had the world's greatest political machine behind her - strategists, fund raisers, status as THE Inevitable nominee, $150,000,0­00.00, AND a former popular two-term US President - ... and, what does she do with all this?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 02/21/2008
- sjl106 I'm a Fan of sjl106 7 fans permalink

With the media lies and blogosphere lies and the rightwing lies, Hillary is doing DAMN GOOD! GO HILLARY!

MSNBC reported a story that was a LIE according to all eyewitness but the rest of the media followed suit a Canton Ohio News Paper Reported on this and is in this following blog.

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27047

I think MSNBC, CNN and this blog should be sued for liable. running storys based on lies and defaming someones name, has a legal term.

NOW MSNBC is Protecting JOHN MCCAIN agains the smear of the NYTs article, why do you think that is? Because they are going to support him during the General Election and trash obama if he is the nominee, just as they did with Kerry and Dean.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:48 AM on 02/21/2008

Sadly, I believe you are correct.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 AM on 02/21/2008
- on2them I'm a Fan of on2them 23 fans permalink
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these are the consequences of being in the public eye and/or public office.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 AM on 02/21/2008

So...What should that tell you about her actual abilities?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 02/21/2008

Marriage is complicated- and staying married for over 30 years takes great effort- they stuck by eachother- covered up their foibles- owe each other years of favors- this is marriage 101 being played out with a backdrop of politics 101..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:16 AM on 02/21/2008

Staying married for over 30 years is pretty easy when your "wife" looks the other ways during 30 years of infidelity, just to fuel her own political ambitions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMgxFE6bms

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:50 AM on 02/21/2008
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Why has no one suggested that perhaps Hillary doesn't CARE who Bill sleeps with?

Honestly. Not every marriage is about romance. The Billary Show has been a political alliance for the getgo. It's clear they have their priorities, and so what if they're not yours!

Also, what if Hillary has her own . . . "interests?" And whose business is it?

This has been bugging me for years, and I'm NO Hillary fan, believe me; MY candidate has already been crowded out by the MSM. It just baffles me: There is so much WRONG with the Billary Show that they can be buried by simply addressing past performance, but people only want to focus on the salacious and the petty.

Public, please grow up! We're on the cliff's edge of fascism here and NEITHER Hillary nor Obama are here to stop it. Our so-called Democratic "choices" are between Fabian Socialism (also known as Communism) and Mussolini-style fascism. Why aren't all of you angry about THIS?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:23 AM on 02/21/2008
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When Hillary got caught lookin a fool for covering for Bill - vast rightwing conspiracy and all (not saying it's not true) - she had him promise he'd make her prez. Welll....

"Is Bill sabotaging Hillary?" Does that fluffy bear shit in the woods?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:14 AM on 02/21/2008
- naturesway I'm a Fan of naturesway 12 fans permalink

"""" promise he'd make her president"""""'
That is so crazy...ho­w could he keep that promise? Loosen your helmet.It'­s obviously too tight and it's cutting off oxygen to your brain.
Or perhaps you're brain dead already.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 AM on 02/21/2008
- on2them I'm a Fan of on2them 23 fans permalink
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oh pleeeze! It is obviously a marriage of an understanding they made a long time ago...you don't think they ever talked about getting him into the white house and when the time was right, then hill?
No woman would ever put up with the scandals, public humiliation of not one but several affairs if there wasn't something ultimately for her that she wanted more then anything.
If you aren't a woman, ask one. Why would a woman stay with a man who betrayed her?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 AM on 02/21/2008

Nice piece of information, Eileen1.

Thanks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:26 AM on 02/21/2008

If he was sabotaging her campaign and she was too stupid to notice, she wouldn't be right for the job anyway.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:45 AM on 02/21/2008

oh hillary is a victim AGAIN for the smartest woman in america she sure does get victimized a lot.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:51 AM on 02/21/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

...poor poor hillary. Everyone is against her.

Even her.

More reasons she is not qualified to lead.

Leaders don't make or possess excuses.

Leaders find a way.

Clintons why don't you just leave us alone?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:08 AM on 02/21/2008
- Wulfstan I'm a Fan of Wulfstan 8 fans permalink

Hillary blows her own trumpet too much. She comes across as a big headed, arrogant know all.

She might want to take a lesson from JFK or Raygun
who both used self deprecating humor to good effect.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 02/21/2008
- partyofone I'm a Fan of partyofone 45 fans permalink

The Hillary blame game. Who is to blame for Hillary Clinton's plummeting campaign?

Now departed Patti Solis Doyle, Bill, an array of evil men including Bill, all the democractic candidates and particularly Obama, all Republican candidates, the media, particularly MSNBC Russert, Mattews, Shuster; the vast right wing conspiracy, the vast left wing conspiracy, young women?

OR MAYBE the person responsible, gasp, is Hillary Clinton: she who claims to be the best qualified person to lead the nation and the world, but can't run an effective two-year campaign with 100 percent name recognition, "35 years of experience," supported by the vast, mean Clinton political machine, every corporate lobbyist will a public policy agenda and $150 million.

The person responsible is Hillary.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:25 AM on 02/21/2008

Exactly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 02/21/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 261 fans permalink

"Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral?"

The lazy, brain-dead press conveniently cropped Clinton's "Jackson" comment in South Carolina, discarding the preceding ten minutes or so of Clinton being PRESSED by reporters about the historical role of race in S.C. politics.

Rep. Kendrick Meek (D-FL) -- coincidentally, an African-American -- who witnessed the entire exchange confirmed that fact... right there on my tee-vee. ONCE. On CNN. Then, like all other inconvenient details, he was GONE from the news cycle.

Speaking of lazy and brain-dead, just keep pushing that meme up the hill. You're in good company.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:09 AM on 02/21/2008
- mrdontplay I'm a Fan of mrdontplay 3 fans permalink

...if you get a chance read the whole quote.

Whathappenedwas:
Obama made a statement that he feels like he is running against two candidates in that he didn't know which one was running Bill or Hillary.

So, they asked Bill Clinton how he felt about Obama's comments. Bill replied, "Jesse Jackson won SC too."

WTF!!!!????

That's what happened. But that's the medias fault they shouldn't have printed his response I guess.

Its also our fault we should know better.

We should lay down and give Hillary what is rightfully hers.

Did you see the interview where the interviewer speculated with Hillary about not winning the campaign? She seriously had not even considered the possibility that she is not going to WIN.

This is leadership?

Sounds pretty phucked up to me.

You gotta know when to fold em.

Hillary supporters you need to face the music.

Your probably going to get skunked again in Ohio and Texas.

Then who's fault is it?

Why are you choosing to go down with the ship?

Why caint you see that the Hillary stock is a sale?

Blind loyalty never got anyone anywhere.

WAKE UP

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:13 AM on 02/21/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 261 fans permalink

The "whole quote"? You mean the portion that Jake Tapper and ABC bothered to post as a "transcript"? THAT "whole quote"?

AMERICAN MORNING
Aired January 28, 2008 - 08:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/28/ltm.03.html

MEEK: I also think it's important, even on the last clip talking about the response to Barack Obama's win. I was actually with the president in South Carolina. I've been traveling with him over several days. HE WAS ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT HISTORIC VOTING IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA AND THAT WAS AT 10:00 A.M. IN THE MORNING. WE JUST LEFT BREAKFAST. WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY EXIT POLLS AT THAT TIME. So some of it is the reporting of how events actually took place but I think...

CHETRY: So, you're thinking HE WAS ASKED ABOUT HISTORIC VOTING in South Carolina, he responded to it and then it's been picked up as...

MEEK: IT'S BEEN PICKED UP AS A RESPONSE TO THE WIN. So that has been going on and on and on and folks are writing about it, but it's very interesting. The president's not trying to make news.

(my caps)

And you're telling ME to read "the whole quote"?

WAKE UP.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 PM on 02/21/2008
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