Is Bill Deliberately Sabotaging Hillary's Campaign?

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First Posted: 02-20-08 06:05 PM   |   Updated: 03-28-08 02:46 AM

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No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton.

Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise the issue of race during the South Carolina primary in a manner offensive to many blacks and whites, putting his wife's presidential bid into a potentially fatal downward spiral? And why did he incite the animus of countless voters by appearing to angrily and cavalierly dismiss Obama's anti-war credentials?

The question of motivation, always a minefield, will very likely go unanswered -- but consider this possibility:

Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president, or he is deeply ambivalent about the prospect of Hillary taking over the Oval Office where he once held court.

Bill Clinton's distinctly negative role first became apparent on January 7 when, in what the Guardian described as a "red-faced, finger-wagging rant," Clinton called Barack Obama's claim of consistent opposition to the Iraq war "the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- a remark seen as gratuitously contemptuous and interpreted/spun by Obama supporters (and some neutral observers like Democratic analyst Donna Brazile) to suggest that the former president had dismissed Obama's qualifications for higher office.

A few days later, preceding the January 26 South Carolina primary, Bill Clinton infuriated some black leaders -- and many white Democrats -- when he sought to downplay the significance of a prospective Obama win.

Clinton compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, noting that "Jackson won South Carolina twice," in 1984 and 1988 -- but did not get anywhere near winning the White House. In 1984 and 1988, however, Jackson received less than 10 percent of the white vote in South Carolina -- far less than Obama won this year. In addition, Bill Clinton said that his wife and Obama "are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender -- that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here."

The comments provoked anger because Clinton appeared to be trying to marginalize Obama as a "black" candidate whose main, if not exclusive, appeal is to African American voters, and not as a candidate with the ability to draw universal support.

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Obama crushed Mrs. Clinton in South Carolina by a bigger margin than expected, 55-27, tying her among white men, and picking up 24 percent of the overall white vote. As her husband predicted, Mrs. Clinton did indeed win white women 42-22.

Posing the question of Bill Clinton's motivations to a number of Democratic and Republican political analysts produced a wide range of answers.

Some did not want to venture into the murky area of motivation. All three of the top partners at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, for example, begged off:

Bill McInturff, "Above my pay grade as a pollster"; Glen Bolger, "I'm not the best person to speculate about Bill Clinton's state of mind on this, so I'll have to respectfully decline"; Neil Newhouse, "OMG - so her win diminishes him in some way. Interesting. But my BA in Psych doesn't qualify me to address this one."

Others, however, were not so shy.

Democratic media consultant James Duffy acknowledged that he is "not capable of making that type of psychological determination, but," he noted, "it seems like every step of the way, whether wittingly or unwittingly, he does things that are very destructive to her. Now she has a chance to get what she obviously wants more than anything else, the Presidency, and he steps forward and louses things up for her."

Republican media specialist Alex Castellanos, a man who takes pleasure in speculation, replied to a query with an intriguing email:

"What an interesting idea. 'Who's the fairest of them all?' Cain and Abel. Could be... I would have no way to know... but....I wonder if perhaps it is perhaps the opposite: in trying to prove he wants her to have it 'more than self,' he may be trying too hard... and that explains the loss of his golden touch, which he has certainly and for the first time in his charmed life, lost.


"This is why they don't allow doctors to operate on family members. Like most of us, perhaps he is torn and both impulses are true. Is he diminished if his unique accomplishment is duplicated by his wife, who was the wizard behind the curtain of his success? Yes. Would he do anything to see her elected? I would guess so.

All so human, isn't it?"

In a more down-to-earth commentary, Democratic campaign adviser Dan Gerstein said:

"Possible? Technically yes. But I don't like doing too much sideline psychology, especially when it comes to the Clintons, and trying to guess their motivations. That said, it does seem, at a minimum, that he has lost objectivity/perspective about the campaign, and that his emotions are guiding his behavior as much as if not more than the most gifted political mind of our generation is."

Colby political scientist L. Sandy Maisel said "that certainly is a question that has occurred to me, but I cannot really go there. It seems to be that he was so used to being able to slip out of any hole he dug for himself -- and he is so self-indulgent -- that he could not imagine not saying what he really felt and getting away with it."

Maisel added, however, that he agreed with the premise that Bill Clinton's comments during the South Carolina primary may have proved to be "the major cause" of Hillary Clinton's defeat:

"Up until then, she was holding her own with African-American voters and had alienated none of the African-American leadership. After that, she was on the defensive, losing votes and losing confidence. Add ten percent more of the African-American vote in a number of states and she turns losses into wins or lopsided losses into close ones. Given the tight ties she (and he) had with the African-American community before that time--deservedly so in my view--it is hard to place cause elsewhere."

The strongest disagreement with the notion that Bill Clinton might be torpedoing his wife's bid came from the American Enterprise Institute's Norman Ornstein:

"I honestly do not think so. I think he deeply wants her to win. It may be part atonement for what he put her through in the White House, partly to advance and cement his presidential legacy. And it is also, believe it or not, that he loves and truly respects her (of course, in his own inimitable way.)"

Asked to comment on the suggestion that Bill Clinton either does not want his wife to become president or is deeply ambivalent, Clinton's communications director Howard Wolfson replied succinctly, "Oh, please."

No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
No one better understands both the subtle politics of race and the acute sensitivities of Democratic primary voters than Bill Clinton. Why, then, did the politically dexterous former president raise ...
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- gorgol I'm a Fan of gorgol 34 fans permalink

Well Thomas, its about time someone started taking out the psychology books on politicians. Along with asking about Bills "self destruct" quality in Hillary's campaign, you can also ask about almost flagrantly taking a White House intern into the oval office to "stain the rug". Was he just stupid?? Or were we seeing a political "russian roulette" of ones career. Can Bill really stand to see his wife in the limelight, while he takes a back seat?? Can his ego take it?? I think not. And after we analyze Bill Clinton, lets get on with our current President and administration. Were they really that stupid in Iraq, to make almost every move a blunder?? Or were they subconsciously or consciously taking this country to destruction. We sure know it wasn't to bring democracy to Iraq, or find WMD/s...so­, what was it?? What "perfect" storm brought this together. And then we can go to Kerry and his campaign. Was he really that stupid?? How many asked themselves and others how a seemingly smart man could make a mess out of a campaign. Yes..lets analyze all of it...its needed. Maybe if we had done more "psychology" in candidates­..Bush never would have made it out of Texas.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 AM on 02/21/2008
- rbe1 I'm a Fan of rbe1 permalink

I find it interesting that the blame for the foibles of our politicians never falls on the voters. We voted for each of them. Alas, it turns out that they have all been humans. So far, that is ! But now we have a pure spirit, unsullied by the base motivations of all these flawed people we've chosen. Now we can all vote with confidence that the future will be bright and rosy. Yes we can !

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 02/21/2008
- Macready I'm a Fan of Macready 62 fans permalink

I don't think bill is sabotaging hillary's campaign . . . certainly not consciously .. . . he is just too arrogant . . . I think both clintons thought they had the nomination . . . it was theirs -- all the pre-primary spin was that hillary was the one . . . hillary was always -- still is pushing gender ... put that is nothing new . . . we all knew when bill was in the WH . . .she planned to run . . . Obama well he gave them the opportunity to push race . . .

bill is just spitting angry that things haven't gone the way they had so carefully planned . ..

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 AM on 02/21/2008
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No, he's not sabotaging her. Not deliberately, not unconsciously.

He's a friggin arrogant jerk who pissed on everyone who voted for him. If anyone can understand the kind of psyche of someone who was flipping his index finger to his wife, his staff, his country, his Presidency, and all Americans, by choosing to do what he did, where he did it, and then lie his ass off about it while under oath...

What does that tell you about the arrogance and disdain this man has for every single person around him, especially the press and the voters themselves? He believes he is above reproach.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 02/21/2008
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 266 fans permalink

HANDS UP, EVERYONE! It's the wee-wee police!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:05 AM on 02/21/2008

The loathing of Slick Willie is not about sex, it's about using power for seduction, which is a subtle form of rape and sexual predation. It's about integrity, including the contract of marriage. It's about the conniving nastiness of having your illicit sex in an honored place. It's about judgment and taste and self-control. The man is disgusting, and a woman who "stood by him" is at best pitiable.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:11 AM on 02/21/2008
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Too stupid to understand a metaphor?

Another creepy Clinton apologist, who doesn't mind that Clinton screwed him over and gave him 2 terms of Bush, all because he couldn't tell the truth under oath.

Pathological lying and sexual predatory behavior are 2 sides of the same coin. Where you find one, you'll find the other. They fit together like hand in glove.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:24 PM on 02/21/2008

Deliberately? Doesn't seem likely. I would say he's just been over zealous. Bill likely feels he needs to be a lion for her and unfortunately its backfiring.
Hillary steadfastly supported Bill through all his scandals and affairs, more than many women would have done. He knows this and it gives her a lot of power in that relationship. If she had left him in the middle of the Lewinsky or Flowers scandals he would have been finished politically; his reputation gone. Essentially, he owes her big time.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:14 AM on 02/21/2008
- mamacat I'm a Fan of mamacat 138 fans permalink

There is some logic to the question. Pres. Clinton may feel threatened by his wife. By some accounts, she is very smart, perhaps smarter than he. Cheating and then doing things to hurt her campaign may be his own attempts at hurting her, without hitting her.

Pretty strong allegations, but it is possible.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:11 AM on 02/21/2008

Is he sabotaging her?

Not deliberately
but unconsiously.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:10 AM on 02/21/2008

oh pu-leeze!

Clinton's stern warning that Obama is a fairy tale woke up voters in time for Hillart to win New Hampshire.

Unfortunately,he pulled back and tip-toed the race line when perhaps he should have forged on.

Having a guy who's done little except in Illinois state government running the U.S. at this point in history? It's a disaster. We voted for our current president based on likeability. Bill will be able to say, "I told you so" if Obama wins & drives us further into the ground.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:49 AM on 02/21/2008
- amanda85 I'm a Fan of amanda85 108 fans permalink

What exactly has Shrillary done? Do you count being the WIFE of a governor and then president as "experience in government"?
And before that, she was a CORPORATE LAWYER, i.e. protecting the interests of corporation over those of ordinary people.

This is the woman you want for president:

"The first jury trial Mrs. Clinton handled on her own, for instance, concerned the rear end of a rat in a can of pork and beans. She represented the cannery, and she argued that there had been no real harm, as the plaintiff did not actually eat the rat. “Besides,” she wrote in her autobiography, describing her client’s position, “the rodent parts which had been sterilized might be considered edible in certain parts of the world.”"

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28liptak.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/21/2008
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Hillaries Chronological Resume:

Post-College til the Senate Years

http://tinyurl.com/2n2vr6

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 02/21/2008

If I didn't know better, I'd say you actually wanted Obama to blow it, just so you could be right. But...I'm sure that's not true.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:08 AM on 02/21/2008
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Having a guy who's done little except in Illinois state government running the U.S. at this point in history? It's a disaster.
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Since Barack Obama's and Abe Lincoln's resumes are almost exactly the same with years in the Illinois legislature prior to the same number of years in the U.S. Congress before coming president, I beg to differ. And as I recall Lincoln didn't do to bad during a crisis.

In actuality Obama has the better credentials and is not bad looking while Abe was ugly as sin.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 02/21/2008
- GingerB I'm a Fan of GingerB 82 fans permalink
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goodsports wrote: "We voted for our current president based on likeabilit­y."

You may have, but I never voted for that POS.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:36 AM on 02/21/2008
- BigLib I'm a Fan of BigLib 18 fans permalink

Let's see. He humiliated his wife in front of the world for all of American history...

Naw...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:33 AM on 02/21/2008
- yabu I'm a Fan of yabu permalink

He loves her???

LOL.

Hey Bill! If you love your wife you don't freaking cheat on her over and over and over again.

Jesus, he really should have learned a thing or two from Gore during those 8 years.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:28 AM on 02/21/2008

Barack Obama is what Bill Clinton always yearned to be: a thin black man with a beautiful wife; anointed by Kennedys, radiating hope, and surrounded by adoring young people of every race and color.

Since Bill can't be Barack, he has to destroy Barack.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 02/21/2008

brooklynbridge:

...looks like you bought yourself afterall!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:25 AM on 02/21/2008
- Dogma I'm a Fan of Dogma 4 fans permalink
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i think you are spot on, brooklynbridge. the only thing you left out is that barack is also obviously a happy person who doesn't need the external validation that comes from winning elections, women, power, etc. etc...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:29 AM on 02/21/2008
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If he has to destroy Barack, Bill wouldn't have been so tireless in his efforts to consciously or subconsciously destroy Hillary's campaign. She was well on her way to beating him before he opened his big mouth.

I have zero proof of this, but I think Bill hates Hillary. This is not a marriage it's a political match up or anointed power couple. Like an arranged marriage. I think he despises her as much as she despises him. I only wish there would be cameras around when she concedes in this election. Oh man is Bill in trouble.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:40 AM on 02/21/2008
- naschkatze I'm a Fan of naschkatze 86 fans permalink

Interesting comment which I haven't seen anyone else make. What motivates Clinton is not ambivalence over his wife but jealousy of Obama. I'll buy that particular Brooklyn Bridge. Obama has the potential to become one of the greatest presidents because of the crises he would be facing and the possibility he could solve them a la FDR. Clinton has been rated as average by historians as far as policy goes and down in the bottom of the cellar as far as character goes. He wants a second chance.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:30 PM on 02/21/2008

The problem with your "theory" is that its completely unprovable. I suppose it might amuse some people to speculate about people's hidden agendas.

I think his motivations were quite clear - he was just following orders. After Hillary's third place showing in Iowa, the Clinton campaign decided it needed to go on attack. They decided to send Bill out to lead the charge, because they calculated that his perceived credibility would make the attack more believable. That strategy might have worked, but he sounded like karl rove was writing his cue cards; leaving many democratic primary voters with a very strong feeling of betrayal. They eventually recognized the mistake - anytime they want to inject some rovian weasel words, they'll come from some no-name campaign spokesperson.

Maybe you should do an article about whether Hillary is somehow subconsciously sabotaging Bill's legacy by not endorsing Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:25 AM on 02/21/2008

What is clear is that both Bill and Hillary Clinton are psychologically impaired and suffer from personality disorders, specifically Narcissistic PP. In the case of Bill it seems he is also suffering the after effects of a coronary by-pass. They are best advised to retreat with some dignity and put the interests of the country and democracy first. The very idea that they could contemplate stealing the nomination and deny the will of the people is repugnant in the extreme. It is obvious that the impressive Barack Obama is the choice of the majority of voters and that he has run the superior campaign. Let us all hope that the Clintons see sense and that fairness and decency will prevail.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:05 AM on 02/21/2008

This is ridiculous. Bill Clinton wants to be a player again. He wants to be back in the white house, period end of story.

Why does he seemingly sabatoge Hillary?

I think you forget that when Bill was President, he made quite a number of mistakes and was a hot head. We think of him as always knowing the right thing to say, and of course while many times he was nimble, he was and is definitely not infallible and can put his foot in his mouth. Also defending another person is very different than defending oneself. It is a different form of impression management, and he just might not be as good in that way.

Bill Clinton, as any other human being, would not pass up another 8 years to be in the white house, even if he was the spouse. Power way trumps spousal ambivalence or whatever your theory is.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:01 AM on 02/21/2008

Occam's Razor says that the simplist answer is usually the correct one.

In this case the simplist answer is that Bill Clinton isn't a political genius. On the contrary his list of miscalculations and wrong decisions have all but destroyed the Democratic Party.

He got lucky in '92 when Ross Perot showed him how to win against the 2nd worst campaigner in the Republican party, George Bush.

He got even luckier when he faced the absolute worst campaigner in the Republican party, Bob Dole.

Since 2000 Bill's advice and guidance has led to disaster after disaster from support for the Iraq War, the bankruptcy bill to pandering and surrendering to the Republicans at every turn. His tenure as chief politician for the Democrats has led to the longest string of defeats for any party, in any western country for the past 200 years.

Hillary is losing because she listened to Bill.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:58 PM on 02/20/2008

When Bill took office in 1993 the Dems had the White House, both houses of Congress, a majority of Governors and of state legislatures. When Bill left office in 2001 the Dems had none of those things.

Bill Clinton is not a poltical genius. But he has had a gift for self-preservation. Maybe he just doesn't have the same gift for "Hillary preservati­on."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:00 AM on 02/21/2008
- init I'm a Fan of init 3 fans permalink

I was always taught when you've had your turn, go to the back of the line if you want to go... again. Dam! Fair? Now if I want to be the Washington D.C. Bully, different story. Could this possibly convolute our history worse then it already is? My gemini brother would say: "His-story­."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 02/20/2008
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